r/dataisbeautiful 13h ago

OC [OC] I visualized 52,323 populated places in European part of Spain and accidentally uncovered a stunning demographic phenomenon.

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u/Aggravating-Map-8962 13h ago

I love it, I'm actually from Galicia.

Due to agriculture and difficult terrain each "town" is composed of several hamlets or communities.

It also extends to Asturias and north of Portugal.

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u/paveloush 13h ago

thank you so much for sharing this! It's one thing to read about it, but it's another thing entirely to hear it confirmed by someone from Galicia.

I'm really thrilled you like the map!

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u/Drogzar 12h ago

My father is from one of those hamlets. It has roughly ~150 "houses", and each house has farming terrains around, except in some "clusters" near main roads and crossroads.

It also had A LOT of farming area and cows population probably wins 10to1 to humans, if not more, as it only has around 500 people.

So what would fit in 1 city square, here occupies ~20 square kilometers.

I used to spend half my summer there as a kid and it was a massive difference to my other side of the family origins, which is a small town in Ávila where all the houses are clustered together, and the farming areas are in the "outside" of the town.

It is a relatively well known thing in Spain, that in "the north", there are tons of semi-dispersed houses that forms tons of very dispersed "towns", vs the rest of the country where small towns follow the more traditional aggregation near the town square.

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u/nrith 12h ago

My stepfather is from a similar area in County Durham in the UK. His hamlet has ~100 people, the one a mile away has slightly more, etc. The whole area is dotted with tiny hamlets. I didn’t realize that was considered unusual.

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u/ErizerX41 9h ago

WTF is a Hamlet? A Village?

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u/Owster4 9h ago

It's usually a settlement smaller than a village.

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u/Deep-Capital-9308 8h ago

A village too small to have a shop.

u/TheZuppaMan 2h ago

i think traditionally what is missing is actually the church

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u/eev200 5h ago

A settlement without a church.

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u/TimeMistake4393 3h ago

"Aldea" sería la traducción más cercana (veo por tu historial que hablas castellano).

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u/Frammingatthejimjam 9h ago

It's what they call baby pigs on farms up in the Canadian Shield.

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u/paveloush 12h ago

It's the perfect "ground truth." Thank you so much for sharing that!

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u/coleman57 11h ago

So it sounds like small farms have survived better there than elsewhere. Is there a policy reason for that? How do they compete with economies of scale?

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u/Drogzar 9h ago

There are massive farms too, although more like big livestock farms rather than plantation style because terrain are mainly mountains and forests, but it's still very common for families to grow food for themselves and have some animals for food, but not 100% self-sufficient.

The people I know either work on something else and they also have a family farm, or have 100+cows + huge plantations, and that's their livelihood. So, no, I don't think small farms compete, they simply "still exists" as an extra.

When I was a kid, I would go fishing with my dad, bring back a sack of 50+ fishes and go around the town in my bicycle giving some fishes to extended family (4th cousins and the like), neighbours and family friends, and I would always come back with homegrown potatoes, eggs, milk, and homemade "empanada" or sweets. Kinda miss those times, haha.

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u/ErizerX41 9h ago

Massive farms, and few industrial estates and factories.

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u/Luvatari 9h ago

It's about geography and weather.

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u/HakanTengri 3h ago

One of the reasons is cultural. In Galicia the norm was that inheritance was parted equally between all sons (maybe children, I'm not an expert and may have gotten to something wrong) so farms tended to get smaller and smaller until falling below subsistence level and slowly consolidate again through mergers, buy outs or whatever other system. That's also one of the reasons for the Galician diaspora, since the system tends to expel people who inherit a plot that isn't enough to survive. My grandparents were among that diaspora, by the way.

In other regions of Spain traditional inheritance rules were different and tended to favor one of the sons. This allows for relatively bigger plots more tied to stable households that cluster together surrounded by fields instead of lots of small plots with households splitting each generation and building houses near the fields to avoid long daily trips. Those left without land also moved in search of opportunities, but geography and economic factors meant that they probably will find them in a relatively big town nearby and not, say, in the Canary Islands or South America.

At least that is my rough understanding of it, again, not an expert, so maybe there are other factors to consider.

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u/badapplept 12h ago

I'd love to see Portugal added to thia ;)

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u/DonnPT 10h ago

My guess is it would be pretty similar, naturally.

Something similar you can see with existing maps, is the way município size changes from north to south - lots of small municípios in the north, larger ones in the south - and I read somewhere that this goes back to moorish influence on settlement patterns in the south.

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u/Irverter 10h ago

For anyone wondering: município means municipality in portuguese/spanish.

u/DonnPT 2h ago

And for anyone still wondering, it's the 2nd level territorial division. The country is divided into districts, the districts are divided into municípios, the municípios are divided into freguesias usually translated as "parish." This system accounts for every square meter, there's no such thing as "unincorporated."

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u/Nachooolo 11h ago

To give an example.

Sansenxo is a very popular holyday town that goes from a population of 18k people to 100k in Summer.

The municipality is formed by the hamlets of Adigna, Bordones, Dorrón, Nantes, Noalla, Padriñán, and Villalonga.

So, albeit having a population of 18k, Sansenxo could be represented as 7 population centres in the map.

And it might actually count as 9 in the map, as it has two actual population centres (Sansenxo and Portonovo) inside the hamlets of Padriñan and Adigna respectively.

Multiply all of this for every municipality in Galicia, and you have this map.

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u/eduo 9h ago

What are we calling "hamlets"? The parroquias?

u/hades0505 1h ago

Hamlet = aldea Parish = parroquia

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u/Marcoscb 11h ago

Please, it's Sanxenxo. Don't be a fodechincho.

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u/Nachooolo 11h ago

Fodechinos called it Sangenjo. Not Sansenxo.

That was a typo.

u/InsignificantRip 2h ago

You mistyped *Sansenxo three times, Nacholín?

Also, stop fodechinching:

*Adigna -> Adina

*Bordones -> Bordóns

*Villalonga -> Vilalonga.

Also bis:

You're missing Arra and Gondar.

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u/Halfang 10h ago

[BAGPIPES INTENSIFYING]

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u/MegaSalchichon 10h ago

Salvaterra de miño rise up!

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u/patacaman 10h ago

That's why a lot of people are from Monforte (for example), but not really. 

My father grew in a hamlet which now has 3 or 4 people all year. There are more houses than people. And in a 5 min walk radius there are 4 or 5 hamlets. 

u/General_Purple1649 1h ago

Que vas ser ti galego, fodechincho!

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u/paveloush 13h ago

As a personal project, I'm creating artistic maps from geographic data. For this "Stardust" version of Spain, I plotted every single populated place from OpenStreetMap for the mainland and the Balearic Islands.

I initially thought the bright cluster in the northwest was a bug in my code. But after some research, I was amazed to find it's a real, well-documented phenomenon known as "dispersed settlement," unique to Galicia (where almost half of all of Spain's populated entities are located).

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u/calls1 13h ago

So what are we seeing?

Is it that for the most part if you live rurally in Spain you live in a village of 200.

Vs in Galicia there’s a lot of 3-5house hamlets where the hamlet is 10-20 people. Therefore more separate populated centres?

Have I understood your findings correctly?

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u/paveloush 13h ago

Correct, that's exactly what the visualization reveals.

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u/malasic 13h ago

But is it the case that in this part of Spain they just give a separate name to every neighbourhood or every cluster of houses?

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u/DanRey90 12h ago

I don’t want to generalise, but I’m from Northern Spain and here’s my experience. In Asturias/Galicia, you have a few houses, then you keep going on the same road and 1km later you have another few houses, and so on. Each small cluster of houses is considered a different village (you would call them hamlets in English). It wouldn’t make sense to “group” several of those clusters into the same “village”, because they’re different population centers (of course, there are higher administrative groupings). When you go to the flat lands in the middle of Spain (both Castillas, Extremadura, etc), you mostly have a bigger village (200-500 houses and a church), then NOTHING but wheat fields for 20km, then another bigger village. I believe that’s what you’re seeing in this map.

It probably has to do with the climate and orography. I’m guessing that on Castilla, traditionally, you could only build a settlement wherever there’s a river or a subterranean water reservoir, whereas in the North you can just build wherever, but the mountains limit how bit the settlements can realistically be.

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u/Sata1991 11h ago

It sounds similar to the UK, I lived in a little village called Llwyngwril, 2 miles south is a hamlet called Llangelynin, it only has a handful of houses, 2 miles north is Friog, then move about half a mile from that there's Fairbourne.

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u/Sunflower-in-the-sun 10h ago

I was thinking that too! In the parts of regional Australia a go through, towns tend to be ~100km apart. I was told that that was due to towns being one day's travel apart via horse.

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u/chuk2015 10h ago

Yeah Wales is probably the best example, such a nightmare driving through wales with the speed limit changing every 100m

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u/Sata1991 8h ago

The horrible bends in the road don't help either, or the hidden dips.

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u/nayorab 6h ago

Just curious: how come there are three obviously Welsh names/toponyms, and then in just half a mile there is Fairbourne which sounds very English?

u/BaconPancakes1 2h ago

Fairbourne is a pretty recent settlement built around the 1900s. It was built after a new railway was planned along the Welsh coast as a summer beach destination, so I imagine Fairbourne as a name was meant to appeal to Victorian holiday-goers. Friog etc take their names from existing settlements or farmsteads.

https://www.return2ferry.co.uk/fairbourne.html

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u/Luvatari 9h ago

Castilla is fields of crops and sheep and Galicia is more about cows and vegetable patches.

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u/RideWithMeTomorrow 7h ago

I’m from Galicia, too. The other Galicia, however.

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u/Ok_Inflation_1811 10h ago

I think it has also something to do with the reconquista and the fact that later on big plots of lands were given to nobles.

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u/thighmaster69 8h ago

That sounds a lot like the Nile delta in Egypt.

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u/cammcken 6h ago

There's a theory (long forgot the source, sorry) explaining the first cities in Mesopotamia: The receding Arabian sea briefly left a lush paradise of marshy arable land, allowing populations to boom, but continued to recede, drying out the land. People congregated into large cities for protection and out of desperation, and the large cities organized civil projects like irrigation canals.

I wonder if there's a similar economic incentive for centralized towns in Spain. In times of conflict, towns would be built near castles for protection, and large populations could protect each other better than smaller scattered towns. But we're several centuries removed from a need for castles... Could it be the nature of the industries, more mechanized agriculture in flatter lands? Or maybe it is water like comment above.

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u/Final-Court4427 13h ago

More or less - Galicia is famous for every field having it's own name.

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u/ZombiFeynman 13h ago

They are rural areas where the population is very spread out, not neighbourhoods of cities.

Historically the rural north is a land of many land owners who hold small portions of land, as opposed to the south where a few owners hold vast swathes of land. The population is very spread out in part because of this.

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u/fabianmg 10h ago

He discovered the famous "minifundios"

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u/hikingsticks 13h ago

In rural France often several villages get rounded up into a single name, postcode, and administration. They can be separated by multiple kilometers.

Sounds like that part of Spain doesn't do that.

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u/ZombiFeynman 12h ago

The local council in rural areas will cover several of those villages, and that municipal entity will have a name (usually the name of the largest place in the area). This may be similar to what France does.

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u/Tifoso89 12h ago

In Sardinia we do the same, there are hamlets with 20 houses and they have their own name

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u/rowr 11h ago

"Packed in like Sardinians" sounds a lot more roomy.

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u/carnivorousdrew OC: 3 12h ago

I think the Venetian region in Italy and other northern Italian regions have the same going on.

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u/Expensive_Method_926 12h ago

Flemish part in Belgium got it too, very little amount of big cities (Gent and Antwerpen really) but settlements of 10k-20k are pretty much throughout the country, like literally every 5km you’ll find a small town.

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u/alfdd99 12h ago

Essentially. I live in another part of Spain but my family is from Galicia (and I have travelled all over the country). Rural parts of Spain may have a small town of a few hundred (or a few thousands) of people, and until you reach the next town, you have several kilometres of nothing, only empty fields or forest.

But in Galicia, you truly have houses EVERYWHERE. This is not an understatement. Not because you have a lot of people, but simply because they are scattered all over the place. It’s like a endless sprawl of tiny villages with like 10 houses, so officially, there are a lot more settlements than anywhere else in the country.

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u/Due-Mycologist-7106 9h ago

I mean that is far more normal in most of western Europe from north Italy to England . It's the rest of Spain that is weird.

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u/redlantern75 6h ago

Dumb question: Why? 

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u/hibikir_40k 8h ago

It's that Asturias and Galicia are quite hilly, yet wet enough to be worth having agriculture (at least back in the day), so you ended up with a lot of very small settlements, as working a field going up and down a large hill was just a PITA, so instead you had lots of small settlements.

The rain patterns also help, because itwas trivial to get water compared to further south. It's almost easier to get a working well than to dig a dry hole. I have a house in one of the mountains with its own spring: You don't have to connect to municipal water if you don't want to.

This can also be seen, for instance, in the Oviedo - Gijon - Aviles triangle. Three cities over 100k which in most of the world would just quickly grow to be one city: 30km away from each other. But go look at google maps and the orography.

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u/SuperSpaceGaming 13h ago

What is a "populated entity"?

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u/elrond9999 13h ago

Knowing a bit the area I guess he means that it has many small (as in 2-3 houses) villages. When you are driving in Galicia you enter a village and a few meters after you see the crossed sign leaving the village

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u/FVCKEDINTHAHEAD 12h ago

Places like the pic here - these are 3 separate hamlets/named settlements. If you look at the distance scale, they are extremely close, a literal 5 minute or less walk from each other. And if you go into maps yourself and check the street view, you'll get a very good idea of just how close these are.

It seems that this area keeps these clusters of buildings separate instead of them being one entity

Edit: attached pic as a separate comment below since it won't show up attached to this post.

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u/paveloush 13h ago

In the context of the data I'm using, a "populated entity" or "populated place" can be anything from a major city like Madrid to a tiny village, a hamlet, or even a named isolated dwelling in the countryside.

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u/usesidedoor 13h ago

Many of those settlements in Galicia are called "aldeas" - there are a ton of them, and they are often tiny.

Many of them will disappear in the near future.

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u/Four_beastlings 13h ago

It is not that Galicia is somehow unique in this, it's that it is the only region where the rural, traditional way of life has survived. When I was a kid we still had teeny tiny villages, but in the last 40 years everyone died or moved away.

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u/czarxander 13h ago

1) That last line sounds vaguely threatening.

2) You can't leave us non-Spaniards hanging like that... What's going to happen to them?

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u/Junuxx OC: 2 13h ago

I'd guess that almost everyone who lives in one of those is old.

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u/hardyblack 13h ago

Well, people move out or die, it's not that hard to guess if you've ever stepped on an aldea or even a pueblo.

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u/Nuclear_eggo_waffle 11h ago

urbanization, presumably. Tiny places populated by mostly old people, while younger people leave

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u/ThosePeoplePlaces 13h ago

Many of them will disappear in the near future.

Driving through the Croatia inland countryside the people have disappeared but the 50km speed sign hasn't. There'd by a speed limit, an abandoned house or barn, maybe a place name, then back to open road.

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u/CraigAT 12h ago

So Madrid gets just one dot (the same size as small village/hamlet)?

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u/paveloush 12h ago

Exactly. For this "Stardust" version, the idea is that every settlement shines with the same light, from Madrid down to the tiniest hamlet.

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u/Pit-trout 13h ago

Can you link to some of the sources you found about this? And is there some clear way to quantify this that shows it’s genuinely about actual settlement patterns and not just an artefact of different bureaucratic choices for ”splitting” vs ”lumping” settlements in their official designations?

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u/paveloush 13h ago

For example, this article on Galician rural development mentions that half of Spain's populated entities are in Galicia: link. We also have a user from Galicia in this very thread who confirmed this is a real, on-the-ground reality due to the region's history.

You're right to be skeptical, but the data source here is key. I used OpenStreetMap, which aims to map physically distinct places, not just official bureaucratic lists. The "splitting" in Galicia's official designations is a direct reflection of its real-world settlement pattern of thousands of tiny, scattered hamlets.

So, it's genuinely a real settlement pattern, which the bureaucracy then mirrors.

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u/ZombiFeynman 12h ago

It's a thing. You can even see it in google maps, just compare a rural area in Castilla or Andalucía with a rural are in Galicia and it's very obvious to the naked eye.

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u/nernernernerner 12h ago

It's real and well known as OP says. There are many small villages/hamlets in Galicia, but also most of Asturias (both are autonomous regions similar to counties), and the Bierzo in Leon (a province). There's an ongoing migration from rural areas to bigger towns and cities though, and the most remote villages are getting abandoned (some already are) or only elderly people live there, so it's a matter of time.

The villages belong to a town or city that has the town hall with a major and their counsellors. Some villages near cities grew more than the towns they belong to and are now more populated than them.

The INE (Spanish Statistics institute) holds information about the population in each :

https://www.ine.es/

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u/furac_1 13h ago edited 13h ago

This is because in Asturias and Galicia villages and towns are a lot more sprawl that in other parts of Spain and there are like small groups of houses everywhere, all with a different name vs other parts of Spain are more like a town or village is a bigger group of houses centered around a plaza or a church. It's more "random" in Galicia and Asturias. The local administration reflects this too, in Asturias and Galicia there's a local entity that doesn't exist anywhere else in Spain, the "parish" (parroquia), which is like a "village" but it is made up from different hamlets (lugares). It is very obvious when you've been to those places vs other parts of Spain.

The reason for this development is mainly terrain and the traditional activities. Livestock was the dominant activity of everyone in these regions, due to bad terrain for farming, and each house or group of houses had a large grazing area around them to keep their animals.

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u/Few-Friend4323 12h ago

Galicia has been populated throughout its territory for thousands of years; dating back to the Iron Age, you can find thousands of hill forts throughout our land. You can also search for the number of churches. In Galicia, almost every stone has a name. At Galicianomeada.xunta.gal, there's a project to compile our exceptional wealth of toponyms. Most of the land belongs to the inhabitants (minifundismo=smallholdings); most of the land is owned jointly(mancomun)

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u/paveloush 12h ago

Thank you so much for sharing this incredible local knowledge. This is the "ground truth" that a data visualization can only hint at. You've perfectly explained the 'why' behind the data. I'm so grateful for you taking the time to write this! :)

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u/brotherJT 13h ago

Can vouch… visited a friend who bought a farm house in a hamlet in southern Galicia where he is the sole permanent inhabitant. There are of course other hamlets, a village, and a small town center a few minutes drive away, but in his hamlet, he’s the only one, aside from a family that spends there summers there in a nearby house.

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u/paveloush 12h ago

It's a fantastic concept, but probably a whole new project in itself! For now, I'm focused on perfecting the 2D versions, but I'm definitely saving this idea for the future. Thanks for the awesome suggestion!

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u/limnographic 12h ago

You should include Portugal! Does this trend continues towards Porto and then it becomes sparse again towards Lisbon?

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u/mc_setas27 12h ago

Could it be done for portugal as well. They should be similar to galicia in the center and north

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u/redditor1235711 13h ago

Nice job! Would be interesting also to see a 3D map in which the height of each dot is proportional to the population of each location...

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u/Chimaerogriff 13h ago

Nice image, and interesting phenomenon!

You might want to scale the dot size with the associated population in some way; not quite linear but just to avoid that people will think the northwest is more populated. The northwest would have many points of the smallest size, while Madrid in the middle would be clearly bigger.

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u/paveloush 12h ago

great point! It's a deliberate choice: this map tells the story of settlement density, not population size. A population-scaled map would be a fascinating, but completely different, story.

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u/PhilosophicWax 13h ago

What about those letters in the upper right side: PTRIA?

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u/paveloush 13h ago

I saw that too :)

When you plot 52,000 dots, some of them are bound to accidentally form funny shapes. It's like finding faces in the clouds, but with Spanish town :)

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u/PhilosophicWax 13h ago

I wonder if it's related to historic trading routes or rivers or such.

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u/Vevangui 13h ago

A river, the Ebro river.

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u/Pit-trout 13h ago edited 13h ago

Yes — I’m pretty sure the NW–SE line along the top of the letters is the Ebro, a big river making a habitable valley in an otherwise large arid/barren area, while the stems of the letters are its major tributaries from the SW. If I’m not mistaken, Zaragoza is the upper corner of the ‘R’, and the top of the ‘T’ is Alagón.

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u/travelcallcharlie 7h ago

That seems exactly right, heres a crude overlay of the OP on a map of spain with the Ebro highlighted. You can see the villages follow the tributaries too.

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u/PhilosophicWax 7h ago

Nah got to be aliens. /s

Thanks for the overlay!

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u/anarchy-NOW 7h ago

And then there's the very suspicious archipelago south of the Balears where towns form the word "Litara".

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u/armithel 13h ago

I thought that was the phenomenon 😂

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u/BeneficialMushroom19 9h ago

Is it a coincidence that the word “Nation” is “Patria” in Spanish? Is there a hidden nationalist message there?

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u/eyeofpython 13h ago

Franco trolling us maybe

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u/SadCommercial3517 13h ago

Mountains, probably towns along the top and down the valleys/river.

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u/SeekerOfSerenity 13h ago

It's an Easter egg in the simulation. 

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u/HERE_HOLD_MY_BEER 13h ago

I’m with you, that’s no coincidence, I would like to see the dots overlayed on an actual map

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u/Spanky2k OC: 1 11h ago

Map developers like to leave their initials in games as a little Easter egg. I imagine this is probably the same.

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u/Dhareng_gz 13h ago edited 19m ago

In galicia we call it dispersion poblacional. If you travel by road you will constantly see little groups of houses, not even a hamlet by the road.

Edit: also the territory is divided in ( from. Bigger o smaller)

Concello ( municipalities ) Parroquia ( parish, in the old days it was the territory covered by a church) Lugar ( place, just a group of houses )

So my father's municipalitiy which was Carral ( 6k inhabitants) is divided in 8 parroquias . The one where he was born ( san Vicente de vigo ) has around 450 inhabitants and it is further divided into 13 lugares. Ranging from 90 to 4 inhabitants.

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u/paveloush 13h ago

Thanks for confirming it from a local's perspective!

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u/KenEarlysHonda50 13h ago

The Donegal of Spain...

Fascinating.

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u/Chromaggus 13h ago

Very interesting. Asturias and cantabria are also remarkable

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u/paveloush 13h ago

Yes, the pattern is definitely strong in Asturias and Cantabria too :)

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u/Optimal-Beautiful968 13h ago

i don't get what anything in this picture means, is each dot a unique 'populated place'? are the darker regions suggesting a higher population?

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u/Chimaerogriff 13h ago

Yes, no. Each dot is a unique place someone could say they live, e.g. 'Madrid' is one dot. This shows that people in the darker region live in a lot of tiny hamlets, instead of larger towns or even cities. So this does not show population density, but rather how spread people are.

The area around Madrid is light because if you take a random pair of people, they likely live in the same city (Madrid); the area northwest is dark because if you take a random pair of people, they almost certainly live in different hamlets.

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u/majwilsonlion 13h ago

Yeah, over 70% of Spain is empty. This has been reported on extensively. Here is one example vid:

Why 70% of Spain is Completely Empty

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u/Optimal-Beautiful968 13h ago

that is quite interesting, don't know much about spain but i'm guessing it's more rural in the north west hence smaller places? would be curious how this looks in other countries

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u/Chimaerogriff 13h ago

It's not just rural, the people somehow live in tiny 20-house settlements where the other rural parts of Spain still gather into regular rural towns. As per OP's comment, this is known as 'dispersed settlement'.

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u/STODracula 13h ago

You uncovered they decided to spell something resembling PTEA on that Northeast area? 🤣

Joking aside, the weather on the North end is way much more comfortable.

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u/Ancares 11h ago

Yes, this is us. There are over 30,000 "núcleos de población", about half of Spain's. Sometimes is just one isolated house (Hamlet = lugar/aldea), and it has a name, and the house there and the family are known by a specific name or surname. That lugar belongs to a parish in a bigger aldea, where they own a grave with the name of the house.

In local news it is common to have pieces about the last inhabitant of the hamlet, and how they refuse to move anywhere even if they have family willing to take them in.

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u/o9p0 7h ago

define “populated place” please.

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u/adhdsufferer143 6h ago

Yeah, I wish posts here labeled their visualizations better. At the minimum include a technical definition of what "a dot" is. While the plot looks nice, and reveals some clustering, this is poor visual communication

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u/AceOfDiamonds373 13h ago

I'm a bit confused, seems like there's areas in the middle of Madrid that are blank on this map? Did you just mark Madrid as one dot? If so, I understand that each settlement equals one dot, but the existence of a major city like Madrid is obviously going to prevent any other settlements from propping up within it's preexisting boundaries, so it seems a little misleading to not acknowledge that some of those blank bits are in fact urban areas, as if the political entity that is Madrid didn't exist, each neighbourhood could well have been considered it's own settlement.

If I misunderstood then I take it back, cool map either way.

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u/Chimaerogriff 13h ago

Yes, he is treating Madrid as a single point, and every 20-house hamlet as another single point. The interesting fact is then that people in that part North-West live in tiny hamlets, while in most of the country people gather into larger towns and cities.

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u/AceOfDiamonds373 13h ago

Yeah I see it's just that Valencia looks more populated than Madrid here just because Valencia has a lot more suburbs that aren't part of the city proper, which is kind of an arbitrary difference when we're studying demographics. I feel like this trend could still have been conveyed while making sure that urban areas in major cities aren't left blank. Galicia would still be noticeably more filled in, it would just make the map a little less misleading.

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u/Chimaerogriff 13h ago

I agree, even just scaling the dots with population in some sublinear way would make this more intuitive.

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u/AceOfDiamonds373 13h ago

To clarify what I mean a bit more, Paris and London have similar sized populations, but since London is a single political entity (or two if you count the City of London), it would only be one or two dots on a map like this.

Meanwhile the 'city proper' limits of Paris contain only 2 million people, with about ten million spread about in politically distinct, communes, so this map would show loads of dots. Even though they are all de facto parts of the same city, because of the way France governs it's land, it would show far more dots than London would.

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u/paveloush 13h ago

You are absolutely correct on all points.

the municipality of Madrid is represented by a single dot, yes. The blank space around it is indeed the rest of its vast urban and suburban area, which doesn't contain other officially named "populated places" in the dataset

A map like this is a visualization of politically defined populated places (communes, municipalities, etc.) as they exist in OSM dataset, not necessarily a map of urban agglomerations

This is a deliberate artistic and methodological choice. The trade-off is exactly what you described: a bureaucratically "lumped" city like London will look fundamentally different from a "split" urban area like paris

however the upside of using this specific "data lens" is that it reveals fascinating real-world patterns that would be invisible otherwise - like the dispersed settlement phenomenon in Galicia, which is a direct result of this same "splitting" logic

So you're right, it's not a perfect representation of urban density, but rather an honest visualization of one specific, official way of looking at a country's structure.

Anyway, thank you for such a thoughtful and high-level question

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u/AceOfDiamonds373 13h ago

Fair points. I still think the trend you're trying to show would have still been visible even if all urban areas were fully filled in, but I imagine it would also be a lot more difficult to accurately create a map like that.

Thanks for the informative response, and I do still think it's a very insightful map that shows what would otherwise be a lot less visible on normal population density maps. Good job :)

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u/Fdr-Fdr 13h ago

London is actually 33 political entities (City of London and 32 boroughs) at the local authority level.

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u/Tristan_N 13h ago

Is there a non European part of Spain?

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u/paveloush 13h ago

Yes, the Canary Islands, Ceuta, and Melilla are all part of Spain. This map just focuses on the mainland and Balearics for a clearer view of the settlement patterns.

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u/Tristan_N 13h ago

I see I was not aware of this, as I am an American. Makes sense though!

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u/blind616 10h ago

Don't worry, I'm their neighbor and it also surprised me.

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u/AckshullyNo 9h ago

Thanks, I had the same question! So analogous (I think*) to the US referring to the "continental US" (excludes Hawaii) and "contiguous states" (also excludes Alaska)

  • NB, I'm Canadian, this is just my assumption re the US terms.

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u/Party_Broccoli_702 13h ago

The Canary Islands are in Africa, so are the cities of Ceuta and Melilla.

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u/aggro-forest 13h ago edited 13h ago

Yes, the Canaries and some exclaves in Morocco

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u/ikefalcon 13h ago

The Canary Islands are a Spanish territory.

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u/exkingzog 13h ago

Does this also apply in Portugal?

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u/paveloush 13h ago

From what I've read, the "dispersed settlement" phenomenon is very characteristic of Galicia specifically, due to its unique history of land ownership and inheritance laws (the 'minifundio' system). So my hypothesis is that Northern Portugal might show a similar, but probably less intense, pattern, while the rest of the country will be quite different.

It's definitely one of the next maps I'm planning to generate to test this theory :)

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u/toniblast 12h ago edited 12h ago

Minifúndio and the dispersed settlements are very present in Portugal but mostly north of the tegus

Galicia, Northern and central Portugal and a bit of the Asturias region kind of match the Suebi kingdom. Not sure if it's related or a coincidence. Maybe you could look that up? But it probably is related the Reconquista and medieval settlements . Portugal and Galicia share the same language origin (galaico-portugues) and the same customs and settlement patterns .

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u/pileoshellz 6h ago

yes, in northern Portugal this also happens, I've heard it was due to it being mountainous and more populated than the south, so during medieval times the lots of the land became really subdivided and small making the houses a lot closer together, compared to the south which is mostly large open fields with much bigger lots controlled by fewer people.

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u/PauloPatricio 11h ago

I am also curious about the results when comes to Portugal, and I believe the North will be very similar to Galiza, particularly the region of Minho. I bet that to a certain degree Minho will be an extension of it. Congrats and keep it up!

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u/Aurorinezori1 8h ago

I am less familiar with the Mihno but it’s definitely the case in Tras os Montes where my husband is from. They have the word « galegos » for this region of Portugal / Spain.

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u/ZigZag2080 13h ago

Yes

However it kind of applies to most European countries that are not Spain or Turkey if memory serves. Spain's settlement pattern is a massive outlier in Europe. Spain also has the most densely populated cities in the EU and barely any sprawl (having very dense cities applies also to Galicia btw). Portugal is very different from most of Spain but would resemble Galicia the most.

u/Tangolarango 1h ago

In the north, yes. Think of it as a half-way point between suburbs and countryside.

Almost like having a village being a network of homesteads.

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u/zxphn8 7h ago

I doubt it reflects population density, people in Galicia probably just have a lower threshold for what counts as a populated place, like town or village

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u/dogsbikesandbeers 13h ago

That's it. I want to bikepack there!

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u/geekyfreakyman 10h ago

That’s what the Camino de Santiago is for, the whole region is gorgeous and because of the pilgrimage routes that lead there, there’s a bunch of super well developed trails and paths.

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u/boisheep 6h ago

I did it.

It was... alright...

Galicia ironically being the worst part, crazy drivers the moment you get off Asturias.

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u/dogsbikesandbeers 4h ago

Bummer. What’s the best place you bikepacked?

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u/boisheep 4h ago edited 4h ago

I mean it was just Galicia; Just meant the rest of Northern Spain was quite cool.

The best, hmmm... I honestly gotta give it to Norway.

The Italian Alps would win if it wasn't because of the shit traffic, once again; bikepacking and traffic just, just doesn't go well.

The Swiss Alps was nice because the traffic situation was so much better but it was just an unaffordable experience, just too expensive to be enjoyable.

You may wonder how I give Norway the prize when it's also expensive, well, Norway is much cheaper than Switzerland, and cheaper than people like to imagine due to wilderness huts and freedom to roam; it's expensive for traveling by car, I took many ferries and boats for free and the cheapest place to sleep was 10 euro and was utterly giant (a bit ridiculous how big it was), it was not accessible by car at all; it is still Norway nevertheless so not the cheapest either.

The cheapest was Poland and Slovakia, they are cool if you like flat and farms and the casual forest; not my cup of tea.

Finland is gravel heaven but it is also forest infinite, like it sometimes feels you are in the same place for days.

I'd want to try gravel in the Alps nevertheless, maybe I can get away from the dreaded traffic.

u/No_Fee_5509 2h ago

Do the norte and primitivo camino. Walking though. I really liked to cycle te  Rhine Cycle Route (eurovelo 15)

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u/Gwenbors 12h ago

Western China is a lot like that. The mountains are functionally impassable, so you have little communities separated by only a few miles but with 5k meter ridges or fast-flowing mountain rivers between them.

Fast forward a few thousand years to today and theyre completely distinct from each other, not just politically but culturally and linguistically, too.

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u/Soft-Ingenuity2262 11h ago

So what’s this data showing then?

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u/evasandor 11h ago

Is there some reason why the dots seem to form the word (?) PTEM

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u/paveloush 11h ago

The blank spaces where there are no dots are often impassable mountains (like the Pyrenees) or major river valleys. The populated places are forced to cluster in the habitable lowlands between them, which creates those strange, linear, letter-like patterns.

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u/evasandor 11h ago

I thought there’s likely a natural explanation, but had to ask because damn if they don’t look like the Romans settled people in a way to spell something!

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u/Colonelfudgenustard 5h ago

My research uncovered that the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.

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u/SincerelyTrue 13h ago

I wonder if there are any historical reasons why there are so many separate/unique points for data collection for these hamlets. Less of a demographic phenomenon unless this is also representing population density, and more of an administrative phenomenon.

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u/paveloush 13h ago

Several users from Galicia in this thread have confirmed it perfectly. They've described it as a pattern of "dispersión poblacional" (dispersed settlement) caused by a history of agriculture, difficult terrain, and unique land-ownership traditions.

the administrative map is really just a reflection of this reality on the ground - a centuries-old pattern of thousands of tiny, physically scattered hamlets. So it's not an artificial choice, but a visualization of a real historical settlement pattern.

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u/CanidPsychopomp 12h ago

Northern Portugal is similar, which isnt that surprising. More surprising perhaps is that Ireland is too

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u/paveloush 11h ago

I'm now excited to generate the map for Ireland just to see if that pattern holds true. I'll be sure to remember this :)

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u/Furkhail 11h ago

I have heard that we have around half the "places with a name" of the whole country.

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u/GreenWoodDragon 11h ago

What is the stunning demographic phenomenon?

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u/paveloush 11h ago

It’s the incredibly dense cluster of populated places in the northwest (Galicia). I explain the phenomenon in my top comment right under the post!

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u/GreenWoodDragon 11h ago

Ah, I hadn't seen that. I was sorting by 'New'.

u/PoisonHIV 2h ago

When I was a kid the first time we left Galicia in a trip to Madrid, we went through Castilla Leon. I was legit in awe at how there were no houses on the road. It felt like going to Mars for 9 year old me. In Galicia we are used to see a house or a town or village every km or 2. Then you go outside of here and see 20 or 30km of road with nothing but fields.

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u/MWSin 13h ago

Define "populated place". Is this to say there are lots and lots of officially recognized municipalities in Galicia, and fewer elsewhere? If so, that says nothing particularly profound. For comparison, my county has 19 incorporated municipalities, while Brooklyn county, NY has over 30 times the population but not even one complete city.

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u/paveloush 13h ago
  1. A "populated place" here isn't just an official municipality, it's any distinct settlement in the OpenStreetMap data, down to the tiniest hamlet.

  2. Because of this, the map shows a real pattern of physical settlement, not just an administrative choice.

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u/Shaggiest_Snail 13h ago

It would be very interesting to check whether the Galician pattern continues southward to Portugal. Historically, the two regions have a lot in common (even the language was originally the same).

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u/DreamingElectrons 12h ago

If you would have done the entire peninsular you would have probably seen a similar pattern along the Portuguese coast That geographic area is just super nice. Feels like spring all year round. Also great Food and great people.

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u/ntfcastro 11h ago

Please do the whole Peninsula! Would love to see Portugal too :)

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u/paveloush 11h ago

Portugal is at the very top of my to-do list - I'm incredibly curious too to see how its settlement pattern compares, especially in the north :)

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u/Slow_Description_655 10h ago

You should repeat without leaving Portugal out.

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u/jo_nigiri 9h ago

That PT is actually a secret message to Portuguese spies as we colonize Spain, but don't let them see this. Mwahahahaha

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u/Tomirk 9h ago

So essentially it's a reverse population density graph?

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u/Summitjunky 7h ago

Do this for other countries and present it in a presentable way so that it can be hung on the wall. You may have a little side business.

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u/AC_Uni 6h ago

The European part of Spain, so not including Ceuta and the Canary Islands?

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u/AccordingSelf3221 4h ago

You should correlate it with chocolate factories. I'm all this hermanos are moving closer and closer to the chocolate!

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u/Cless_Aurion 3h ago

I can see my house from here :D

u/paveloush 1h ago

Then my mission is complete! 😄

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u/The_39th_Step 13h ago

Galicia has rainy weather and a better environment for farms. The rural countryside is better able to sustain a population. It also has easy access to the sea

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u/lobetani 12h ago

Not really, tho. There is no bigger population in Galicia than in other parts of Spain, but the rural population is more spread out there are more sources of water available. Many of these points in rural Galicia represent hamlets of a few people, while in the rural south many of those points are agro-cities of tens of thousands of people.

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u/pixelbart 13h ago

Isn’t Spain more or less a union of previously independent states and doesn’t this map just show the remains of that period where every state had their own laws about what counted as a settlement and what doesn’t?

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u/DreamOfAWhale 12h ago

All of Europe is more or less a union of previously independent states though.

This map may resemble some of that, but even after that union there were still reorganizations, merges and splits.

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u/nernernernerner 12h ago

When somebody from the south of Spain comes to the north west they are in awe about the amount of tiny villages and their proximity. It's not about how towns are considered, it's actually a different distribution system. You can't drive 20km without finding a town/village in Galicia, but that's normal in other regions of Spain.

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u/hibikir_40k 7h ago

Not at all. Northwest Spain has rainy, hilly terrain, so it makes perfect sense to use the land by having tiny population centers that work a piece of land that is a bother to reach from elsewhere. You don't have to irrigate, and getting drinkable water is a matter of digging a hole, so there's a ton of tiny settlements, and the largest ones cannot get that big, again due to nasty orography.

You go south of those mountains, and you get big, flat, dry plains, where you rely on rivers to get water. Unsurprisingly, the development pattern is different. with fewer settlements that are significantly bigger.

And as for your idea of it being a union of independent states... if you looked at historical maps, and at that distribution, you'd see that old borders don't line up at all. Yet it lines up great when you look at the satellite pictures and a topographic map.

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u/Bbrhuft OC: 4 9h ago

This is Open Street Map (OSM), and the leading contributor to OSM in Iberia lives in north west Spain. The map is not showing density of settlements, but how busy one of the OSM editors is. Is it were the autism is located.

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u/ZigZag2080 13h ago

There is definitely some difference with settlement pattern in Galicia being closer to Portugal than the rest of Spain but your OSM data is also off. I mean you can barely see Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia or any major cities outside of Galicia for that matter.

Here is a map of inhabited areas in Spain I made sometime with Eurostat data.

You always have to be careful with OSM-data because some areas are bound to be mapped in way more detail than others.

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u/Elleri_Khem 13h ago

I don't think it's that far off. Here's what I came up with with a different source:

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u/ZigZag2080 13h ago edited 12h ago

Well, my source is essentially what Spain's national statistics reports to Eurostat. It should be the most accurate you can find barring even more granual data from Spain's statistics office that you likely have to pay for if it is accesible. Say Germany and Denmark have hectar population grids. The Eurostat grid is an established European standard to aggregate certain kinds of statistical data over time. It's been established around 20 years ago.

It's also not distinct cities but populated km² squares. However the two should allign closely. What was your data source?

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u/ItsSignalsJerry_ 12h ago

European part of Spain? Which part of Spain isn't in Europe?

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u/bandita07 12h ago

The city of Ceuta, which is in North Africa.

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u/PauloPatricio 11h ago

And Melilla.

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u/nanodgb 6h ago

And the Canary Islands

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u/pmp22 12h ago

Spain and it's people is a jewel, a real treasure. I just want to point it out.

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u/Aurorinezori1 8h ago

You might do it for northern Portugal (where my husband is from) as the « galegos » tend to have the same clusters (Celtic ancestry).

u/paveloush 40m ago

absolutely! Portugal is at the very top of my list precisely for that reason. Really excited to see the historical connection visualized

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u/Vevangui 13h ago

This might be a quirk of the website you were you using. Not every single Spanish town is included.

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u/Elleri_Khem 13h ago

I don't think so. I did this independently with a different source and got the same result.

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