r/Eragon Jul 06 '25

News (Updated Aug 18) The Book of Remembrance - The Contents

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The Book of Remembrance is an upcoming book from Christopher Paolini, covering in-universe accounts of seven different battles throughout the history of Alagaësia, with the framing device of being a collection gathered together by Arceanist Brother Hern. Altogether, Christopher has said that this material is longer than half the length of FWW, and that it's shaping into "a proper book" on its own.

There is a deluxe illustrated edition being published by Wraithmarked that is available to back now on Kickstarter, aiming for a September 2026 release. It will not necessarily be available for purchase outside of the campaign, but there will likely be a traditionally published edition by Random House at some point after that.

The Kickstarter Edition ("Book of Remembrance")

The Kickstarter edition will be a 5x7" book bound in leatherette or leather (depending on backer tier) with three-colored foil stamping, a few dozen illustrations, and a list of the Kickstarter backers, stylized as a "list of the fallen" from each battle.

That artwork includes two black and white illustrations from Christopher, three dragon sketch studies from Isvoc for the endpapers and signature sheets, one two-page b/w illustration from Christopher J Alliston for each of the seven battles, 3-5 additional illustrations, a map, and twenty-two pages of fan portraits. Design will be done by Shawn T. King (stk_kreations).

See the Kickstarter page for more information about the different backer tiers, which can affect placement in the non-canon "list of the fallen" within the printed book as well as the choice of cover material. The Kickstarter page also shows the illustrations from Christopher and Isvoc, and a WIP piece from Christopher J Alliston.

Christopher's two illustrations are "Brother Hern's Letter" (a runic transcription of on a scroll, following the tradition from his art in the Murtagh Deluxe Edition and the Eragon Owlcrate Edition), and "Runestone" (which appears to be a combination of the art in Murtagh and the moon from his 2002 Saphira drawing). Christopher has also said that he may do more illustrations if time permits.

The Random House Edition ("Tales from Alagaësia volume 2")

For the Random House edition, Christopher will write some chapters from Eragon's POV to go around the stories, so that the book can be presented as the second volume in the Tales from Alagaësia series. It will update on Eragon and Saphira, the Eldunarí's silence, the hatching dragons, the missing werecat cubs, and Svartlings. Christopher has said that the additional content "will be a fair amount", and will take him some time to write, leading to the final book being "bigger than Fractal Noise" and "way bigger than Tales 1."


This rest of this reddit post will focus on the main text of the book, which should be the same in both the Kickstarter edition from Wraithmarked and the trade edition that Random House may publish in the future. Christopher has said that this content is "just about the same size as The Fork, the Witch, and the Worm".

Introduction

The beginning of the introduction to the book (Brother Hern's letter) was shared on Kickstarter, but as a page of runes, with parts of the text hidden behind other objects, such as a scroll case. This is a letter that Brother Hern is writing for Etharis to read when he has the time. What follows is a back-transcription into english, with curly braces used to indicate guesses for the obscured text. "Wérthoros" means "humans". (Thanks to /u/notainsleym and /u/Cptn-40 for help with this transcription.)

Codex Wérthoros

{Brothe}r [E]tharis, {As you r}equested I have taken leave of my illumin{ations so that I can} compile this account. It required much mor{e of my time t}han I would have liked, and I fear my ink pots {have run dry i}n the interim. And for what, what is it you think to {find in t}he records of these battles?

{If it's} new insight into the Draumar’s meddling, then your {head mus}t be sharper than mine, for I saw nothing unexpected. {Nonethe}less, I have done as you have asked, and it was a mighty {effor}t. I strove to find the earliest recorded accounts {of each batt}le, and where possible, I combined and compared {them to cr}eate what I believe to be an authoritative list of {the fallen.} Some authors as you are no doubt aware, are more {trustworthy tha}n others—I would not trust Heslant the monk when {it concerns an}ything much before the founding of the Riders—but {there is a scarc}ity of written material regarding several of {the early battles}—notably the Defeat at Amaranth, the Fall of {Vroenga}rd, and the Ambush of Stavarosk—and we poor scryers of the past must scrape and scramble for whatever scraps of truth have survived.

To that end, I have been to the deepest parts of the reliquary, where the dust lies as thick as snow, And for my efforts, I have been sneezing every day for the past weeks, to the point that even Brother Advari has forsaken my company. I expect a mug full of good Summer ale as compensation when next I see you, Brother Etharis.

Despite my aggravation, I will admit, examining the roles of the fallen has put me in a somber mood. Our history, that is, the history of humans, has often been an unfortunate one, and those who died in each of these conflicts did so at the most crucial of turning points for Alagaësia and, indeed, Elëa as a whole. We are ever at such a point now, and I wonder if someday our names will be recorded in a similar manner. If any peoples remain to write and read.

Please ignore my ramblings. I have been too long in the catacombs. My head needs light and space and good conversation. Perhaps I will seek out Brother Advari once again.

Oh, and I would say this as well, the rosebushes contin{ue to} wither beneath the onslaught of aphids. The branches grow o{ld.}

The Seven Battles

The names of all seven battles can be found on Kickstarter, and Christopher runs through the list with some very brief commentary in one of the promotional videos. What follows below will be these descriptions, coupled with whatever we know about the battles from other sources.

It seems each battle will be told through an excerpt from a different in-universe writing, and Christopher has said that all of the POVs will be from characters we have not yet met, and that two of them will be from an elf and from a werecat, though it's unclear which battles he's referring to for those. (Also unattributed to any specific battles, Christopher has said to expect more info about elves, doors and werecats, an official definition for "inarë", and a sentence that's 147 words long. The werecat chapter will be titled "THE KICKER OF CATS: As Recorded for Us by Sister Blackclaw of the Seventh Toll")

1. The Defeat at Amaranth

The first one is called the Defeat at Amaranth and covers the final confrontation between mad King Palencar and the elves where the humans were defeated. This is the battle that led to humans being included in the pact between dragons and Riders.

"Amaranth" is a new term. Christopher has said that the battle was named that because it "took place on a field where large amounts of amaranth grows". (And that "amaranth often has mythological associations with immortality/long life".) However, the history of King Palencar has been alluded to before. Brom told the story to Eragon in the self-published edition of Eragon, as they passed Ristvak’baen. This got cut by Random House when they republished the book, but it was replaced with a more detailed account in the next book, told to Eragon by the elf Lifaen, shortly after entering Du Weldenvarden. And then a third, even more detailed account is included in Heslant the Monk's introduction to Domia Abr Wyrda, as published in the Deluxe/Limited Edition of Eldest. All three accounts are fairly similar, differing mainly in the amount of detail provided, so here I'll just give the third and most detailed version:

When Palancar encountered the elves, they explained to him which land was theirs, which was the dwarves’, and which was the dragons’, and granted him the right to claim that which was unoccupied. They and the Riders also demonstrated their physical and magical prowess. Intimidated, Palancar dared not argue with them—at least not so long as his docked fleet was at their mercy—and so he agreed to their terms.

The Broddrings roamed Alagaësia for several years before they discovered Palancar Valley—as it was to be dubbed—and decided to make it the basis of their kingdom. After Palancar vanquished the local Urgals and founded the town that is now Therinsford, his hubris grew so massive, he thought to challenge the elves for the region between the Spine and Du Weldenvarden. It is still baffling why—having witnessed the Riders’ might and main—he believed he could prevail in this matter. On this subject, I agree with Eddison, who reasons that Palancar was in the early stages of dementia, an assumption that is borne out by his later actions and those of his family, for madness always runs through the bloodline.

Three times Palancar’s warriors faced the elves, and three times the elves obliterated them. Aware of the Urgals’ fate and having no desire to share in it, the Broddring nobles sent an envoy to the elves, and they signed a treaty without Palancar’s knowledge. Palancar was then banished from his throne. He and his family refused to leave the valley, however, and instead of killing him, the elves constructed the watchtower Edoc’sil—now Ristvak’baen—to ensure that he could cause no further strife.

The elves took pity on the remainder of our ancestors and allowed them to live in Ilirea, which the elves had abandoned during their war with the dragons nearly two thousand years earlier. Ilirea became the new capital of the Broddring Kingdom, which exists even to this day as the center of Galbatorix’s empire: Urû’baen.

That brief confrontation with Palancar—which cost humans far more than it cost the elves—convinced the then leader of the Riders, Anurin, to amend the elves’ magical pact with the dragons to include humans. Anurin recognized that, as a race, humans are hardier than the elves and that we reproduce faster than the dwarves, making it inevitable that we would soon proliferate across Alagaësia. Before that day arrived, he wanted to weld our species together—using a flux of spells, oaths, and commerce—in order to prevent what he saw as a likely war for domination of the continent. (Eldest Limited Edition, "A Brief History of Alagaësia")

2. The Siege of Kvôth

Then we have the Siege of Kvôth, which is a dwarven siege. Although there's a dragon rider involved with that. And there's a certain red-eyed rabbit in that battle as well. That was a fun one to sort of write about.

The Siege of Kvôth was first summarized by Christopher in a 2010 Shurtugul Q&A, where he said that it was content that got cut from inclusion in Brisingr. (This Q&A was later republished on paolini.net in 2016, which is perhaps the source it's more well known from.)

Another famous battle was the Siege of Kvôth, which was attacked during the War of Iron, which pitted humans against dwarves and knurlan against knurlan in a dispute over ownership of the iron mines in the western foothills of the Beor Mountains. The human king at the time, King Thedric, did his best to forestall bloodshed by meeting in secret with the dwarf Ivaldn in the city of Furnost, but his efforts proved unsuccessful and, in the end, it fell to the Riders to restore the peace.

Later, in Inheritance, Eragon walks in on Angela finishing up an account of this story, though her version involves a red-eyed rabbit.

—but he was too slow, and the raging, red-eyed rabbit ripped out Hord’s throat, killing him instantly. Then the hare fled into the forest, and out of recorded history. However, if you travel through those parts, as I have … sometimes, even to this day, you will come across a freshly killed deer or Feldûnost that looks as if it has been nibbled at, like a turnip. And all around it, you’ll see the prints of an unusually large rabbit. Every now and then, a warrior from Kvôth will go missing, only to be found lying dead with his throat torn out … always with his throat torn out.

Terrin was horribly upset by the loss of his friend, of course, and he wanted to chase after the hare, but the dwarves still needed his help. So he returned to the stronghold, and for three more days and three more nights the defenders held the walls, until their supplies were low and every warrior was covered in wounds.

At last, on the morning of the fourth day, when all seemed hopeless, the clouds parted, and far in the distance, Terrin was amazed to see Mimring flying toward the stronghold at the head of a huge thunder of dragons. The sight of the dragons frightened the attackers so much, they threw down their weapons and fled into the wilderness. This, as you can imagine, made the dwarves of Kvôth rather happy, and there was much rejoicing.

And when Mimring landed, Terrin saw, much to his surprise, that his scales had become as clear as diamonds, which, it is said, happened because Mimring flew so close to the sun—for in order to fetch the other dragons in time, he had had to fly over the peaks of the Beor Mountains, higher than any dragon has ever flown before or since. From then on, Terrin was known as the hero of the Siege of Kvôth, and his dragon was known as Mimring the Brilliant, on account of his scales, and they lived happily ever after. Although, if truth be told, Terrin always remained rather afraid of rabbits, even into his old age. And that is what really happened at Kvôth. (Inheritance, "Mooneater")

Afterwards Eragon questions her on the accuracy of the story, and she says "Well, you can hardly expect the dwarves to admit they were at the mercy of a rabbit."

Christopher has since confirmed that the rabbit was a shade, (and also that the Monty Python references were intentional).

3. The Sack of Vroengard

Then the Sack of Vroengard, which covers some of the defeat and fall of the dragon riders.

This battle is alluded to many times throughout the series, starting with the first book in Brom's story:

Only Vrael, leader of the Riders, could resist Galbatorix and the Forsworn. Ancient and wise, he struggled to save what he could and keep the remaining dragons from falling to his enemies. In the last battle, before the gates of Doru Araeba, Vrael defeated Galbatorix, but hesitated with the final blow. Galbatorix seized the moment and smote him in the side. Grievously wounded, Vrael fled to Utgard Mountain, where he hoped to gather strength. (Eragon, "Dragon Tales")

However, the only two accounts with any detail can be found in Inheritance, and both focus on Thuviel's sacrifice. We first get an account from Glaedr, representing the publicly known version of the story:

During the battle with the Forsworn, one of our own, an elf by the name of Thuviel, killed himself with magic. Whether by design or by accident has never been clear, but the result is what you see and what you cannot see, for the resulting explosion rendered the area unfit to live in. Those who remained here soon developed lesions upon their skin and lost their hair, and many died thereafter. ... Thuviel wrought this destruction by himself. ... he converted his flesh into energy. ... The energy was without thought or structure, and once unbound, it raced outward until it dispersed. ... It is not well known, but even the smallest speck of matter is equal to a great amount of energy. Matter, it seems, is merely frozen energy. Melt it, and you release a flood few can withstand.… It was said that the explosion here was heard as far away as Teirm and that the cloud of smoke that followed rose as high as the Beor Mountains. ... The blast killed Glaerun, the one member of the Forsworn who had died on Vroengard. Galbatorix and the rest of the Forsworn had a moment of warning, and so were able to shield themselves, but many of our own were not as fortunate and thus perished. (Inheritance, "Amid the Ruins")

And then shortly afterwards we get an account from Umaroth, showing the actual intent behind that sacrifice.

Before the Battle of Doru Araeba, more than a hundred years ago, all of the Eldunarí were placed in a trance so deep as to be akin to death, which made them that much more difficult to find. Our plan was to rouse them after the fighting was over, but those who built this place also cast a spell that would wake them from their trance once several moons had passed. ... Thuviel agreed to sacrifice himself to conceal our deception from Galbatorix. ... It was a great tragedy, however, we had agreed that he was not to act unless it was obvious that defeat was unavoidable. By immolating himself, he destroyed the buildings where we normally kept the eggs, and he also rendered the island poisonous to ensure that Galbatorix would not choose to settle here. ... One of the Forsworn had slain Thuviel’s dragon a month before. Though he had refrained from passing into the void, as we needed every warrior we had to fight Galbatorix, Thuviel no longer wished to continue living. He was glad for the task then; it granted him the release he yearned for while also allowing him to serve our cause. By the gift of his life, he secured a future for both our race and the Riders. He was a great and courageous hero, and his name shall someday be sung in every corner of Alagaësia. (Inheritance, "Lacuna, Part the Second")

Christopher has also said to expect the names, genders, and races of all thirteen of the Forsworn to appear in the book.

4. The Ambush at Stavarosk

The Ambush at Stavarosk, which is all about how the Urgals wiped out about half of Galbatorix's army in the mountains of the Spine.

This battle also gets mentioned throughout the series, but usually nothing more than that one factoid:

The Spine was one of the only places that King Galbatorix could not call his own. Stories were still told about how half his army disappeared after marching into its ancient forest. (Eragon, "Palancar Valley")

No matter how many soldiers the Ra’zac summon, they will never dare enter the Spine. Not after Galbatorix lost half his army in it. (Eldest, "Wounds of the Past")

All my life I’ve heard it said that Galbatorix once lost half his men in the Spine, but no one could tell me how or why. (Inheritance, "Mooneater")

The most details are given in Inheritance, where Nar Garzhvog tells it to Eragon right after Angela recounts the story of Kvôth:

Do not all humans know of Stavarosk? Is it not sung of in every hall from the northern wastes to the Beor Mountains as our greatest triumph? Surely, if nowhere else, the Varden must speak of it. ... When [Galbatorix] came to power, he sought to destroy our race forever. He sent a vast army into the Spine. His soldiers crushed our villages, burned our bones, and left the earth black and bitter behind them. We fought—at first with joy, then with despair, but still we fought. It was the only thing we could do. There was nowhere for us to run, nowhere to hide. Who would protect the Urgralgra when even the Riders had been brought to their knees?

We were lucky, though. We had a great war chief to lead us, Nar Tulkhqa. He had once been captured by humans, and he had spent many years fighting them, so he knew how you think. Because of that, he was able to rally many of our tribes under his banner. Then he lured Galbatorix’s army into a narrow passage deep within the mountains, and our rams fell upon them from either side. It was a slaughter. The ground was wet with blood, and the piles of bodies stood higher than my head. Even to this day, if you go to Stavarosk, you will feel the bones cracking under your feet, and you will find coins and swords and pieces of armor under every patch of moss. (Inheritance, "Mooneater")

Murtagh offers a bit more context to this conflict, with Bachel implying that Galbatorix had been trying to wipe out the Draumer.

Nal Gorgoth and places like it have endured for longer than you can imagine. No dragon or Rider or elf or any other creature in all the history of the land has ever succeeded in clearing our redoubts or snuffing our faith. ... Not even the dread dragonkiller himself, Rider. He tried, once, and soon realized the magnitude of his mistake. (Murtagh, "The Court of Crows")

This was then confirmed by Christopher on reddit:

As for why [Galbatorix] tolerated them ... he didn't. In fact, he sent an army into the Spine to wipe them out at one point, and the Draumar used the Urgals to wipe out his men. (This is part of why the population of the Empire is lower than it really ought to be.)

On Twitter, Christopher has shared some excerpts from this portion of the Book of Remembrance (1, 2, 3):

So. When our grandsire’s sires strode the land,
in the days that followed the death of the Riders,
then woe was our harvest and hardship our lot.
We had thought to find freedom after the Fall,
to break the shackles the Shur’tugal imposed,
and extend our reach from our mountain realm,
across the furrowed fields of the Hornless.

But. Our freedom was brief and false.
We ran forth and raided many
a village and fort. Victory was ours
more often than not, honor for Svarvok,
won with fierce joy in bloody fights.
Then Galbatorix with new-gathered strength,
sent men with swords against our steads. . . .

. . . Tulkhqa lowered his head. “Talk
no more, for you mangle Svarvok’s truth
with every word, warp it as badly
as that horn you wrecked in fitful wrath. . . .

Christopher has also said that this was his favorite part of the book to write.

5. The Battle Under Farthen Dûr

And then the Battle Under Farthen Dûr. I don't want to say too much about that one.

This battle serves as the climax for the first book, but the account we see in this book will presumably be something new.

Christopher has said to expect more information about the Gûntera apparition, the Erisdar lanterns, and dwarven sewer systems. And to write this part he needed to do some calculations for the amount of livable space inside Tronjheim.

It should be noted that Christopher has written extra accounts about the tunnels under the battle on two different occasions. The first draft of Eragon had Eragon/Kevin leading a scouting expedition to Orthíad, where he encountered the Urgals and some shades. This all got cut from the book by the second draft, but Orthíad still exists as a staging point for the Urgal army, and Christopher has on occasion discussed some specific visuals he has of it.

Also, in 2005, Christopher helped develop a text adventure game set in these tunnels on the eve of the battle. That game had the player trapped in the tunnels and encountering both Angela and some Urgals, and then needing to get back to the surface. There's not a ton of content there, but it should be noted that Christopher was tweeting about this game while working on this section for Book of Remembrance.

6. The Slaughter at Gil’ead

The Slaughter at Gil’ead, which covers the capture of Gil’ead by the elven forces during the Inheritance Cycle. Which is also where Oromis was killed, and Glaedr lost his body.

This forms the B-plot for the climax of Brisingr. While Eragon is fighting in Feinster, he gets visions from Glaedr of the fight in Gil’ead. Given that we've already seen the fight between Oromis/Glaedr and Murtagh/Thorn/Galbatorix, it's likely that the Book of Remembrance will focus on other parts of the battle instead, of which we've only seen very little before:

The lazy-one-eye-sun hovered just above the horizon. To the north, the big-water-Isenstar was a rippling sheet of polished silver. Below, the herd of pointed-ears commanded by Islanzadí was arrayed around the broken-anthill-city. Their armor glittered like crushed ice. A pall of blue smoke lay over the whole area, thick as cold morning mist. (Brisingr, "Shadow of Doom")

Look what happened at Ceunon and Gil’ead. All his men, all his power, and Galbatorix still couldn’t stop them from swarming over the walls. (Inheritance, Rumors and Writing)

Murtagh was glad to have arrived, but the sight of Gil’ead brought him little pleasure. The last time he and Thorn had been at the city, they had been fighting at Galbatorix’s behest, in a desperate and failed attempt to defend the place from the elves. It had been a bloody, miserable battle. (Murtagh, "Dragonflight")

In the fields alongside the road, he saw traces of the battle for Gil’ead, ghosts of past bloodshed. There along a hedgerow was where the Empire’s cavalry had massed, and even now a circle of ground was bare where horses had trampled the dirt until it was hard as fired brick. Half a ruined wagon lay rotting along the lip of a nearby ditch, the wood burnt black by spellfire. Farther to the east was where the elves had broken through the army’s defensive lines and begun to drive them away from Gil’ead. Murtagh forced himself to stop looking, but he couldn’t stop remembering. It must have been terrifying, he thought. To be stuck on foot, with dragons fighting overhead, and ranks of elves descending upon your position…He could hardly imagine a worse situation. (Murtagh, "Hostile Territory")

When Murtagh shared what he’d seen, Thorn’s sorrow joined his own. “The elves must have driven them into the water. They never stood a chance.” The last he’d seen of Galbatorix’s battalions, the squares of men had been huddled together upon the smoke-shrouded plains outside Gil’ead while the ranks of tall elves marched upon them with inexorable force. (Murtagh, "Heave and Tail")

7. The Fall of Urû’baen

And then finally the Fall of Urû’baen, which, again, we saw in the Inheritance Cycle. But this is from a point of view that has never been done before.

So we have one, two, three, four battles that have never actually appeared before. They've been mentioned, but they haven't appeared. And then three battles that we've seen in the Inheritance Cycle, but we're seeing them in a very different way now.

It's unclear which perspective of this battle we will see here. We've already seen in great detail both Eragon's journey into the throne room, and Roran's fight with Lord Barst. Between those two fights we know what almost all the named characters were doing during the fight, and there's no obvious gaps.

There is the perspective of the group that rescues Roran, whom Christopher has confirmed have a planned POV at some point, but they're supposed to one day get their own book, so this might not be the place to tell their story.


r/Eragon 14d ago

News The Fractalverse novella Unity is getting a print release, and is now available to preorder

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r/Eragon 11h ago

Discussion Just read Murtagh and- Spoiler

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I don't think I can re-read this book, at least not in the near future. The sense of hopelessness that Murtagh and Thorn faced was heartbreaking. It almost felt like some kind of sfw torture porn. I felt so bad for the both of them! And when he was victorious, idk, it just didn't feel like ENOUGH. Like I wanted something akin to when Ellie killed David in TLOU part 1. I did enjoy the ending though with Nasuada! That was sweet.


r/Eragon 12h ago

Question What did you think was gonna happen to Shruikan before you read the fourth book? Spoiler

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Did you think he was gonna die like he ended up doing or did you predict that he was gonna survive and in that case what did you think was gonna happen to him afterwards?


r/Eragon 1d ago

Question Murtagh and Thorn

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I'm on my thir re-read, and just finished Eldest.

Thinking about the first two books, I recall some key details:

  • Murtagh is older than Eragon
  • Murtagh had pretty much just left the Empire when he encountered Eragon and the Raz'ac in the first book
  • Oromis mentions that Brom got his Saphira when he was a bit younger than Eragon

With all these facts, I gotta ask, why didn't Galby bring Murtagh to the eggs before?

I get he (Galby) wan't going to bring Murtagh to the eggs the first time he saw him, when Murtagh was like 3, but after that he had like 14 years to do so, why did he wait until after Murtagh escaped?


r/Eragon 1d ago

Discussion Murray true name

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In the first 4 books, changing your true name is seen as a difficult feat that takes a lot of work to accomplish, but in Murtagh, his true name seems to change very easily. Why is this?


r/Eragon 1d ago

Fanwork Few fotos from Prague ConCrunch

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Getting grinned in photos... it was caused by the pain from the plate armor on my legs 😅. Otherwise, there were many more photos, but unfortunately my mobile camera is not in the best condition, and the quality of the pictures was not ideal :(


r/Eragon 1d ago

Question Brom

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Hi, I'm on my third re-read and just finished Eldest, and a lot of questions come to mind regarding Brom.

I saw that a lot of people mention the fact that he didn't look elvish even after having been a rider for so long. This is explained by the fact that he could easily conceal the elvish traits, and give himself a more human appearance.

However, what I don't understand is his strength (or lack thereof). Brom himself mentions that the Raz'ac wanted to ambush him because he is stronger than both of them, however, when sparring with Eragon, after a while the book describes that both him and Eragon end their sparrings with bruses.

At that point, if Eragon had learnt to duel, he was not even close to the level of the elves, and after the Blood-Oath celebration in Elesmera, the dragons gift Eragon with the transformation which would naturally have taken place throughout several years.

Brom, having been a rider for as long as he was, must have at least partially undergone this change, it doesn't make sense to me that he would lose, or reach a stalemate with non-transformed Eragon


r/Eragon 1d ago

Discussion Finally finished the Inheritance series 20 years later... Spoiler

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Started back in Highschool in 2006. Read the first two books, and since I graduated before the 3rd was out, I just sort of forgot; until all the Disney Announcments about a TV series possibly in the works.

So I was pleased to learn the series was finished and there were two extra "side stories" as I call them.

I re-read from the beginning, which I could recall pretty much everything major, thanks in part by how bad the movie was.

It was entertaining for my Dad, since he's a huge dragon nerd. I still laugh whenever I think of the scene at the Battle of Farthen Dur, the commander orders the archers to take positions, and its literally just two guys moving up.

My dad just impulsively answers "Both of them, are we sure about that?" As he tends to do with some movies 😆.

But I digress... 2nd book I read up to the part where Eragon is healed, but thats where I either got too distracted or lost interest because of how uneventful the story was.

But now that I'm older and can pick up the subtleties better, I was able to appreciate the smaller, vauge details that I missed or it went over my head at the time.

Like Saphira and Eragon being affected by the Elves "horny song", as if call it. 😆

I recalled Roran saving Carvahall and protecting himself from the Barge captain. So maybe my younger self skipped a few pages 🤔.

All the while, I enjoyed picking up and making the comparisons to Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. Which I certainly didnt notice until some YouTube pointed it out.

On to Brisingr.

So much to unpack! Always enjoyed Roran and Eragon together. Tho I always was never overly excited to get a "Roran chapter" through out the series, his feats were entertaining to read, especially the call back to his bare handed fight with an Urgal, or was it a Kull, and his final battle with Lord Barst.

His whipping scene was infuriatingly understandable. Basically real life level manager logic there, Nasuada.

Yeah let's talk about Nasuada. It's totally in character for her to be prickly. She was overly cautious with Eragon upon initial meeting. Same with Roran. But she has the audacity to think a country bumpkin is showing up out of nowhere just to take her job!? C'mon Nas, you're smarter than that. Ill chalk it up to her recovering from the Long Knives trial, if I got the timing right.

Eragon used his weapon enchantment 1 time to great effect... JUST ONCE!? Ugh, whatever... it was cool tho, and the forging scene was interesting.

But the biggest scoop of all was seeing how horrifying using the True Name of a person can be. Eragon guessed Sloan's name so easily. Then they throw in the facts like you can repent your ways and change your name. Which makes me think the same could be true of Alagaesia, and the prophecy that "Eragon will never return" is just a play off that, one can hope.

And double scoop, we also catch rumor from the Raz'ac no less, about the plans to build the Death St- i mean "the name, the name of names!" Dun, dun, duuuun!!!

I cant recall how, but there was a part explaining that the Ancient Language had destroyed most living things, before it was reformed into what it is in the story; but I do hope we get our "Death Star" back in a future series 😆.

By far my favorite part was the Dwarves politics and the finale of banishing the whole Clan that hated Eragon 😆 That was fantastic and so satisfying how that was written and played out 👏.

Enjoyed Eragon essentially being forced to play nice with the Kull. Gnargazvog was always a joy to read when he was involved.

There for awhile, it seemed to me that our favorite blue Furry Boi was about to stab some backs. Dude was catching flak from everyone. Eragon gave some sass, I thought for sure hands were gonna get thrown. Blue boi was getting dissed from all angles.

But he seemed to mature and do his duty above and beyond his orders, once he sees how Eragon intends to command. Seemed that way to me at least. Would've been funny if out of nowhere Blud had changed something of himself like he says he likes to do. But I get why he wouldnt. Like, suddenly he reports in and he's sporting a bright red Rooster crest 🤣.

I didnt care much for the dama, and the few revelations surrounding Eragons family. But we had to get some sort of "Your Father is." Line from Yoda, I mean Oromis.

4th book.

Battle, battle, battle, some revelations. Oh kitties!

So great to have the Pussycat King join the fighting 😆 also Angela sure gets around, woman has mysteries for days. By far the best character in the series.

The Vroengard arc was good. I enjoyed meeting all the other dragons. I didnt care for the overall vague writing on these important bits, like Eragon figuring out his name, I just enjoy when things are spelled put for me. But I get it sells the point on its just for Eragon to know, unless he chooses to let others know.

Next to lastly, the King. The Big bad. The Emperor himself. 🤔Yep. 💣 🍄 💥. 🤯. Hahaha. Dude had it. He HAD it, the ultimate spell, and he still lost because we all knew Murtagh would figure out his name.

Personally I thought there might be a tug of war where Eragon would figure it out himself. Or better yet, he'd figure out Gabby's. I was fully expecting a Avatar Firelord ending, order him to teach the Name of Names, then use it to make the Kind absolutely powerless, but im guessing the NoN would render his name moot? 🤔

Lastly Arya... worst character, but maybe that will change... in a few centuries.

Well this is way too long, and Arya doesnt deserve more than that. And I need sleep. G'nite friends!


r/Eragon 1d ago

Question How did thorn fly so damn quick. Spoiler

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After Murtagh was like, dying in the cave, how did they get back so fast? Am I misremembering the story? Didn’t it take them a few days to get up to dreamer land?


r/Eragon 3d ago

Question Why didn't the elves just steamroll everything?

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In the books, we learn it's possible to store away almost limitless energy for magic in gems. So in the hundred or so years since The Fall, why hasn't every single elf been storing away every bit of spare energy into a gem?

From what I understand most if not all elves can do magic, and taking into account their greater strength due to their elven heritage, 100 years of energy is A LOT. We also know some did do this, namely Oromis and Brom, so the notion isn't unknown.


r/Eragon 2d ago

Discussion Funniest lines/dialogues

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I frequently listen to the eragon books to fall asleep, and while listening to the Eldest I came across what I found one of the funniest lines: Arya refused the steed offered to her, saying "I will not return to the land of my ancestors on the back of a donkey"

Like that's such an proud Elf thing to say, very on character I feel.

There's also the thoughts of Saphira in Brisingr, where she goes on about how she's the most beautiful creature in Alagaesia, which also I found cute, funny and on character!

Was just wondering if anyone found funny lines that I've forgotten about!


r/Eragon 3d ago

Discussion How exactly DO Non-Riders/Non-Elves learn magic?

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During Book 3, when Eragon is explaining magic to Roran, Roran asks about being taught magic, and Eragon teaches him Strenir Raisa and through the series we see Roran attempt it but to no avail.

Eragon then comments that he has no idea how Non-Riders learned magic as its clear that simply knowing the words doesnt give you the ability to cast spells.

We know magicians immerse themselves into the pool of light in their minds, which Eragon frequently describes as a barrier, and once immersed, they say the words and the spell is cast, Angela specifically mentions she has trouble doing this and its why she relies on herbs and potions so much.

So it seems that in order to use magic without a dragon, you'd need to somehow manifest that pool of energy in your mind, and then break the barrier to it to immerse yourself in the magic and of course know the ancient language words.

But how the hell do you manifest the pool of light in the first place? Has Chris ever explained this?


r/Eragon 3d ago

Question Brom could have saved Garrow? Spoiler

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Why didn't Brom save Garrow? He probably had the knowledge about the ancient language and with the energy in the ring it would be possible, I think.


r/Eragon 2d ago

Question Deep-dwellers

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I am currently re-reading Thud!, had the headcanon idea of transplanting the deep-downer culture from Discworld to the dwarfs of IC (and the politics/problems it could bring with it, especially for the dwarf-wide acceptance of Eragon as one of their own), remembered the deep-dwellers already exist, and am now wondering if u/ChristopherPaolini got the idea of the deep-dwellers from Pratchett or if he came up with them on his own?


r/Eragon 3d ago

Discussion Sports

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Really glad modern sports doesn’t exist in this verse. We can’t have elves being exposed to Football. An elven QB dropping 10+ Tuddies and 600 passing yards on a HUMAN defense would be diabolical. Absolute cinema though…💀💀💀💀

Not even gonna go into Basketball.🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️


r/Eragon 3d ago

Discussion Are magical AI agents possible and even implicit in wards and "if spells"?

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I was reading Murtagh, and I found the detail I was both thinking and hoping would be explicitly introduced to the Eragon universe at some point: "if spells". Basically the ability to phrase conditional spells. These are shown as working and working as expected in the book. So I'm wondering, how do these spells work?

Not that these spells are entirely new concepts. Some wards must be using them under the hood already.

The idea is this, drawing on the basic example shown in the book: I design a spell to make a rock shoot up if a cat walks on top of it. The exact grammar doesn't matter, as I'll assume for this matter that if spells are a general capability of the magic system and not a property of the ancient language (though the option is relevant and is discussed later, model 1.5).

Some of what I'm about to say comes from this video which covers similar topics (in the perspective of wishes rather than spells, and how AI can misinterpret them) and is really worth watching in my opinion.

The issues are:

Logic handling

What parses this logic, and is this fixed or dynamic, able to respond to different scenarios? If I want to make the rock shoot up right away it's less of an issue, as it was explained in the books how one's intention and use of words makes this magically work. I can say "stenr reisa" or the wordless magic equivalent and the universe will know which rock I'm addressing and how up should it rise. This makes sense on a magic theory level, as ultimately I'm subconsciously calculating what to focus my energy on and how much force to assign it, even though the universe doesn't know what a rock is (especially in wordless magic) and how much it "needs" to lift it. But what will happen if I phrase a spell conditionally? I create the cat-walks-on-rock-then-rock-shoot-up-magic. The cat does so and everything works expectedly — the Murtagh scenario. But what happens if a different cat does it (assuming my spell was created in my mind as being implicitly applicable more than once), whom I've never met? I see multiple solutions that can apply here in how the magic system handles the spell.

  1. The simple static solution: nothing happens. My spell was static and focused on that cat and that rock. No dynamic elements. Just delayed action. 1.5. Terminology games: the spell was phrased in the ancient language, and some kind of cosmic rule was able to match this as a cat, the way it's able to stop me from casting the aforementioned spell on a dog despite wanting to (unless I find some subconscious powerful pattern between cat and dog, like water and a diamond as explained in the first book if I remember correctly).
  2. ~Computer~Magic vision: the spell received a simple imprint of my logic and mind and was able to mark the other cat as matching the criteria of "cat" I have. But it would not be able to match on a new species of cats I did not know/consider feline at the time of posting.
  3. AGI: basically step 2 extended. This AI would be able to apply more complex logic, and perhaps in the most naive fashion, sync with any new knowledge I learn and draw its own conclusions based on the mind patterns I left it. It would also be able to keep state (more on "Storage" later). 3.5. AGI as magic agent.The first one to able to solve the spell "if any cat whose atom count is divisible by 10 steps here, lift rock". Model 1.5 isn't applicable. Model 2 can't think beyond my knowledge, and I don't know it. Model 3 mimicks my current knowledge or self studies, but I can't know it ever just from studying (realistically speaking) and it can't learn it itself. This problem could be solved if the AI can formulate a spell like "iterate all atoms and count them" (which is also problematic as it's a subquery, explained in "Storage" later). This is the magic AI equivalent of a reasoning model with external APIs. The issue is of course, the source of the energy (even assuming "if spells" and counting are free, more concrete tasks would certainly be expensive).
  4. Cosmic God magic. The most simple and naive working solution. It knows what you want because it's omniscient, therefore dodging the alignment problems from the aforementioned video — it scans your consciousness and can know current and future logic and intentions. It knows what a cat is and knows how many atoms are in each cat because all the universe's secrets are readily accessible to it.

(These are "possible solutions" on a clean slate, in reality 1 and 4 fail because of the existence of wards being able to fend dynamic targets but still be bypassable, but I wanted to lay all options anyway).

There's also an issue with all aforementioned AI models (2-3.5). My brain is trained on data gathered from my humanely senses. I know what a cat looks like through the signal I receive from my eyes and can react to likewise signals. It's cool that these patterns can be transferred to the spell, but how does the AI know how to process and match further information? A cat in my mind is simply the rendering of trillions of particle into a 3D world/2D image. An AI magic would need to somehow consistently gain my perspective and vision (which is location dependent, time dependent, light dependent in this case and etc, I can't see a cat at pitch darkness and make any judgment, can the magic do so?), normalize it and apply it to any neural patterns I gave it. How would that work? Does the universe magically normalize the patterns to some magic-compatible input set?

Storage

Let's say my spell is phrased like so: "make the rock shoot up if a cat steps on it 10 times". This is basically a subquery that should be possible in AI models, as they can learn and adapt (and learning is ad hoc keeping state keeping for this purpose). But where is this info stored? How much information can I store and will it change the energy cost?

Speed and efficiency

Everything so far was about magic creating ad hoc agents. But what about computations? Would it be possible to mine Bitcoin by running a binary search on a spell activating if a condition related to each byte holds true? What about getting the answer right away?

Implications of spells creating AI agents, and how I'd choose if I were Paolini regarding future uses of this idea in the series

Basically if wards and "if spells" work with magical AI, either basic or adaptable, it's pretty OP. Model 1 doesn't work with the lore, model 1.5 makes partial sense, model 2 is powerful if you can sync it and model 3 and onwards is omnipotence. You can even create replicating spell viruses using model 3.5. For example: cast a spell on a gem containing energy and program it to "float randomly without repeating your location [storage, pathfinding], locate people without wards [either through omnipotence, model 4, or through testing], copy yourself into them and mark them as spell energy sources, cast a spell that drains a negligible amount of energy into the gem, infect other gems you find on your way, rinse and repeat".

My solution to this would be that conditional spells must consider all possible branches at cast time, therefore making dynamic casting very difficult. Also it would be like model 2, so it's able to achieve its goals using the caster's current mindset, but no further adaptations. For storage, best ban it so conditional spells cannot keep state. Otherwise the model can store consequences and learn.

Thoughts?


r/Eragon 3d ago

Question Can text to speech machines speak lies in the ancient language?

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Since a person can speak falsehoods in the ancient language if they believe it to be true (or at least don't think it is false), can text to speech machines, which have no concept of belief, speak lies? Or will they just physically be unable to speak?


r/Eragon 4d ago

Discussion I know I'm incredibly late to the party, but I just read the Murtagh II sneak peek, and I wanna say one thing. Spoiler

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There's mentions of new Riders, right? And that's great, but I really hope we finally get to meet some wild dragons, especially considering the number of eggs that were in the Vault of Souls.

The complete lack of wild dragons in the main series is honestly my least favourite thing about Inheritance, and it would be absolutely amazing for this to change :D


r/Eragon 3d ago

Discussion How it feels to re-read the Inheritance Cycle books as a female or AFAB fan Spoiler

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I'm also not counting Saphira here, because she's a dragon. I'm talking about humanoid characters.

For me, it's mainly the lack of female Dragon Rider characters; many fans having mixed opinions on the existing female characters, with especially negative opinions of Nasuada and Elva, and mixed feelings towards Arya and Angela; etc...for example, in Inheritance, Arya doesn't become a Dragon Rider until the very end of the book, and we never actually get to see her as a Rider. Meanwhile, we have four books that chronicle Eragon's story; an entire book about Murtagh, also named Murtagh; and Murtagh 2 coming out. In an AMA interview from a year ago, Paolini also said that he changed his mind, and decided that "Elva will not become a Dragon Rider", but as far as I know, he hasn't confirmed any new female Rider characters.

As an AFAB fan in their 30s who is re-reading the series, it's very disappointing to see, and I really hope that author Christopher Paolini writes more female characters with substantial roles into future Eragon books. As of right now, the only female Dragon Rider representation we have is (1) Arya and (2) long-dead Riders.


r/Eragon 3d ago

Discussion The beginning of Eragon just copied the Wheel of Time's one

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The Eye of the World was released in 1990 and Eragon was released in 2002. so no doubt. Praise Robert Jordan! Paolini just changed Trollocs into Urgals. Also, he changed Moiraine into Brom.


r/Eragon 5d ago

Discussion How long will it take Elva to guess the …

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Spoilers,

How long do you think it will take for Elva to steal the name of names from Eragons thoughts like she did with the existence of the Eldunari?


r/Eragon 6d ago

Currently Reading Just finished Murtagh

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I just finished reading Murtagh and of all the books/ series I’ve read, this one has to be the hardest series to finish. It’s such a phenomenally written story, it was so hard to read those last few pages knowing that this is the last book (for now) in the series.

After finishing the original 4 books, I was a bit apprehensive about reading Murtagh and TFWW because I was so committed to Eragon storyline. After I started reading TFWW, I opened up to the other storylines and was enthralled by how intensely captivating it was to see other perspectives/ branching storylines. It took a bit of warming up, but after the first chapter I was in love.

Then I moved on to Murtagh and I was and am blown away by how beautifully written it was. The the ending was absolutely amazing and leaves you wanting more. What a phenomenal series from Paolini and I’m looking forward to seeing what he has in the works.

I do unfortunately have to find a new series to start reading, so any suggestions are more than welcome!!


r/Eragon 5d ago

Misc Am I losing nuance in translation? (Eye colors and animal species)

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Some fantasy I read in English, others in my native German. Unfortunately I got Eragon 1 some 15+ years ago, so that was German. And I don't like switching languages halfway through a series.

This obviously makes grabbing quotes and theorizing on precise wording a bit harder. Most of the time, I don't think the exact English text is that important (though I do consider it the true canon) because the concepts described matter more than the actual word choice.

The only exception here is with the eye colors of shades, where on the very first page, Durza is described with yellow eyes. Throughout the book, they're "yellowish" but not maroon.

This set off alarm bells for me, because of the man in El-Harim, the man with yellow eyes. But now that I learned that Durza didn't even have truly yellow eyes, I'm not sure about that connection anymore.

So now I'm wondering - is yellow close enough to maroon eyes, especially when they're glowing? Are they connected?

And what about other shades? Varaugh correctly has maroon eyes, but the shade-rabbit from Angela's story has red eyes. That too seems to match the English original, but what does it mean? Only humans are maroon?

And is it a rabbit, bunny or a hare? Again, the translation uses them interchangeably, but technically there's a distinction between the real-world Lepus europaeus and Oryctolagus cuniculus. The latter one is smaller, and used in the book as diminutive. I'd bet the original like was something like "They'd never admit they were scared of a bunny". But it felt OOC for someone concerned with the difference between toads and (?) frogs.


r/Eragon 5d ago

Discussion Eragon is already kind of failing as the leader of the Riders.

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Murtagh probably shouldn’t have been allowed to roam the realm as freely as Eragon did. Not so much because he was a threat, but because he lacked the training and education to truly understand what it means to be a Rider and to overcome their Trauma.

It might have been better if Eragon had taken him and Dorn with him beyond Alagaësia. That could also have improved how people saw Murtagh, especially if Nasuada had been able to share that he was traveling with Eragon rather than remaining tied to the Empire.

On top of that, Murtagh’s almost unquestioning obedience to Nasuada feels dangerous... he bends to her will far too easily. I don’t buy their relationship from her side for a second, which makes Murtagh’s almost blind loyalty to Nasuada feel all the more dangerous.

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There’s also the matter of Arya serving as both Queen and Rider. While it may not pose the same risks as with Galbatorix, it still sends a complicated message. Having one person hold both positions concentrates a lot of influence, and it would have been reasonable for Eragon, as leader of the Riders, to step in and at least set clearer expectations. Even a gentle boundary there could have helped reinforce the independence of the Riders as an order.

What makes all this stranger is that the Eldunarí, with their centuries of experience, apparently had nothing to say about either situation.
Neither they nor anyone else seem to have raised much of a concern, which is odd given how much emphasis was placed on avoiding the mistakes of the past. Eragon talks about rebuilding the Riders, but he seems to focus almost exclusively on the eggs and the eldunarí, while letting the only two other Riders make their own choices without much guidance or accountability.


r/Eragon 6d ago

Discussion Do we have any estimate on the population numbers of each race in Alagaesia?

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This question came to me when wondering about the dwarven pantheon.

I don't believe it's common for the dwarves to be portrayed as particularly religious in fantasy, but here they clearly stand out when compared to other races atheism or seemingly less rigid beliefs and rituals. What struck me was the apparent uniformity of the dwarven beliefs; a set number of gods, representing very specific elements, and having (as far as we know) a set chronology of events. This is very different from the Greco-Roman religion, which I would guess influenced Paolini, as it's the most culturally present polytheistic religion in the modern age - though it's possible it's a false equivalence. This may be due to the existence of Durgrimst Quan, who keep heresy in check, but this seems like an impossible task across such vast and untraversable area as the Beors - even despite their extremely advanced infrastructure, over the millenia surely the gods would at least encompass more ideas and attributes by cultural appropriation?

That is unless... there simply aren't that many of them? If the combined numbers of dwarves across all of their cities was less than a few million, these issues become far less prevalent, and events such as the Battle of the Burning Plains become truly horrific, involving almost 200,000 soldiers across all races, which alone would be a noticeable % of their populations. What do you think?


r/Eragon 7d ago

Discussion Is this castle a real life inspiration for Ilirea? - Predjama castle, Slovenia

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My Girlfriend suggested it on our road trip as a possible stop. This is apparently the biggest cave castle on Earth, though it would hardly fit even shruikans head...