r/europe • u/Dont_Knowtrain • Dec 21 '24

News Who is Taleb Abdul Jawad? Saudi Arabia warned Germany about the suspect in Christmas market attack

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2024/12/21/who-is-taleb-abdul-jawad-saudi-arabia-warned-germany-about-the-suspect-in-christmas-market-attack-report.amp.html
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u/Lysek8 Earth Dec 21 '24

This dude is the dream of every media focused on dividing people. Suddenly every faction has someone to blame for this asshole

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u/chup95 Dec 21 '24

Exactly. I have read it all now, Terrorist, Muslim, Anti Muslim, Zionist, Right Winger, Left Winger.

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u/swilyi Dec 21 '24

Well according to his own Twitter account he’s anti Muslims and Zionist. He has also tweeted in support of the far right. His own words.

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u/chup95 Dec 21 '24

Yeah I know, but there are also videos where he says he is a left winger but supports Weidel and the Afd. It makes no sense at all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

Some people think the AfD is a socialst party. The same people that think the NSDAP was socialist because it was in the name.

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u/Mesmerhypnotise Dec 21 '24

Show me one please. 

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u/srberikanac Dec 24 '24

Read the comment below yours bg u/wathead71 :)

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u/warhead71 Denmark Dec 21 '24

NSDAP absolutely did a lot of socialist things - “because it’s in the name” ? Where did you get that from?

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u/Daniel_Potter Dec 22 '24

The Nazi Party made significant gains and became the largest party in the Reichstag for the first time, although they failed to win a majority. The Communist Party increased their vote share as well. All other parties combined held less than half the seats in the Reichstag, meaning no majority coalition government could be formed without including at least one of these two parties.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_1932_German_federal_election

Just to add some context, the 3 big parties hated each other (SPD, KPD, NSDAP). KDP (Communists) could have easily pushed nazis out if they coalitioned with SPD (Social Democrats) and formed the government, but they had past greavances with SPD (because they stopped a socialist revolution in 1918-19). SPD considered that abolishment of the monarchy and exile of the kaiser was enough, and put down the revolution. That eventually led to socialists splitting off to KPD.

Btw, SPD at the time was the main socialist party, not just in Germany but in Europe. Karl Kautsky, the leader of the party, was considered a successor to Marx. But he hated bolsheviks (there were a couple exchanges between Lenin, Trotsky and Kautsky).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dictatorship_of_the_Proletariat_(pamphlet)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_and_Communism#Kautsky's_Terrorism_and_Communism_(1919)

Ultimately, nazis staged the Reichstag fire and banned the communist party. That's how they got their majority. But there was never any pretence that they were left wing, communist or socialist. They were always considered right wing.

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u/warhead71 Denmark Dec 22 '24

Right wing and socialist aren’t exclusively opposite. And “never” is a lie - the most reactionary socialist in the Nazi party were taken out in the night of the long knifes - and even then they nationalised the unions and took over or created companies for worker to makes cars, vacation or whatever.

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u/SignificantWhile6685 Dec 25 '24

Arresting socialists and banning the Social Democrat party doesn't feel very socialist to me, bud.

Outlawing strikes and replacing trade unions doesn't feel very socialist to me.

Being white nationalists doesn't sound very socialist to me.

You might be a tad misinformed.

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u/warhead71 Denmark Dec 25 '24

Communist countries also arrest people from opposing parties (totalitarian regimes don’t accept other parties) - and communist countries unify unions by force. If communist Russia wasn’t socialist then what? - but yeah the NAZI party were racists and socialist.

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u/SignificantWhile6685 Dec 25 '24

Except the NAZIs didn't unify unions, they got rid of them. The NAZIs were far-right and fascist, full stop. Again, you are misinformed.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '24

Systematically killing millions of jews and other minorities is not really social.

Goering was really into animal care and wildlife protection but that is just diabolical when you think about the fact that he was cool with other humans being tortured, experimented on and killed.

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u/warhead71 Denmark Dec 22 '24

Nothing - absolutely nothing in your counter argument is an actual counter argument. Killing million of people isn’t a type of government - nor is animal rights. To nationalise, government control, massive government project - were and is huge step towards socialism - Nazi government made almost no economic liberal policies.

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u/Dapper_Dan1 Dec 22 '24

Systematically killing millions of people is a feature right extremists (nazis, fascists) and left extremists (communists, socialists) share equally.

Look at "Great Leap Forward", Red Khmer, several cleansings in the USSR, Holodomor,...

According to "The Black Book of Communism" (1997), by Stéphane Courtois, communism murdered 100 million people in the 80 years of its existence until 1997.

The Nazis did it systematically during war time, with camps, poison gas, starvation, forced labour, and cremation.

The communists did the same, but you need to add the starvation, camps, forced labour and cremation during times of peace.

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u/TheCynicEpicurean Dec 21 '24

A lot of people use the "left at heart, but disillusioned by the current left" trope to gain cookie points with the right who loves that shit (same as born again Christians and ex-Muslims are loved by the right media sphere). Hell, even Dawkins jumped on that wagon recently. They may also truly believe that what they think should be left-wing, but the modern Left™ somehow abandoned or betrayed them for some difference in opinion.

I don't see many examples of the opposite direction except for a couple YouTubers, but who knows.

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u/swilyi Dec 21 '24

For me it makes sense honestly. He is the founder of the Saudi Ex Muslim association. He has made interviews talking about his mission. He was wanted in Saudi Arabia for human trafficking. In an interview from 2019 in BBC he said that he helps smuggle people from the gulf countries to Europe and that 90% of them them are woman.

He made several posts explaining his love for Israel.

When it comes to politics, everyone changes their ideology. I honestly don’t think it’s that important who he supports. And I wouldn’t use this against AdF.

But it’s pretty clear he has an extremist ex Muslim ideology. He has been consistent in this for years.

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u/RuudVanBommel Germany Dec 21 '24

Considering he is not the first terrorist expressing his love for AfD, I definitely hold it against them. AfD is radicalizing people into becoming terrorists, because terror acts scores them points.

Same thing happened in 2016 in Munich. Perpetrator was half-Iranian, loved AfD, went on a rampage and killed a bunch of people. Since it was Bavaria and therefor solid right by default, the authorities decided to depoliticize the terror act, despite the perpetrator having explicitely expressed his hate for muslims and love for AfD. 

Of course AfD scored points because he was presented as Iranian.

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u/Pali1119 Hungary, Germany Dec 21 '24

I would 100% use that against AfD. Those assholes did not waste a moment politicizing and warping the facts of this attack (as they do all the time). Give them a spoon of their own medicine. Especially as their rhetoric supposedly played a large role in radicalizing him and thereby causing this.

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u/levenspiel_s Turkey Dec 21 '24

You lined up his history, but put together, his views don't make sense at all.

What we can possibly say is that he has always been a nutjob, since his days in Saudi, and may have gotten even worse along the way.

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u/Eorel Greece Dec 21 '24

And I wouldn’t use this against AdF.

Why not? He is literally a mouthpiece for their policy prescriptions, only about 20% more rabid than as the average AfD supporter in his hatred for muslims.

Unless you mean "I would use this against far-right ideologies in general, not just this particular party" in which case I agree, the name of the party is irrelevant, as are the figureheads that represent it. What matters is the ideas of exclusion and in-group out-group bigotry.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

How exactly does zionism fit into all this?

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u/swilyi Dec 21 '24

He’s a Zionist and made several tweets explaining why he loves Israel. That’s all.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

He has posts about “greater” Israel involving lands all the way from Egypt to Turkey and praising it. I think that’s Zionism.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

Link?

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u/MrKarim Dec 21 '24

https://x.com/haqiqatjou/status/1870577408581275935?s=46&t=CdsIETxM0Jn4mTdYfhmx_Q

Retweet

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

Simply type his name on twitter and dig it mate.

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u/ThinkofitthisWay Dec 22 '24

Zionist usually have an anti arab and anti Muslim sentiment due to the I-P conflict. Him being Zionist is not random. He obviously has no direct connection to Zionism except that it is in conflict with arabs and islam.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '24

Exactly. He had no connection to zionism. He grew up with islam and became anti islam. Leave Christians and jews out of this.

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u/ThinkofitthisWay Dec 22 '24

nobody said anything about christians or Jews, Zionism is a political ideology and anyone can be a Zionist, as demonstrated by this lunatic

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u/feckmesober Dec 21 '24

As well as a supporter of hamas..

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u/swilyi Dec 21 '24

You’re making that up.

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u/KoogleMeister Dec 22 '24

x.com/IslamCritic/status/1870566775278170161

Also I'm aware he claims to be ex-muslim, my point is that it's a lie. Did you watch the second video I linked? The lady covers the whole idea about him lying about that.

I also just showed you a video the dude literally shouted Allah Akbar after he got out of the car, how much more obvious can it get lol?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '24

He does not support Hamas he was hoping Hamas commits terrorism against anyone that supports Palestinians. loud and wrong.

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u/BlackMonstera Dec 21 '24

Thank you for this. Let the people know!!! Twitter

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '24

He does not support Hamas he was hoping Hamas commits terrorism against anyone that supports Palestinians. loud and wrong.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '24

Chameleon

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u/Organic-Pipe7055 Dec 22 '24 edited Dec 22 '24

It's reasonable to listening to Richard Dawkins, Salman Rushdie...

They say that the Western left has been an accomplice of violent forms of Islam, by covering up and even promoting religious fundamentalism. They act as lawyers of the most intolerant religion, feed the far-right, feed crazy guys on every side, betray progressive values... and still think they've done nothing wrong.

Islam has mostly been geographically and fundamentally incompatible with the West throughout history. Although there is the fairy tale of "the people of Book" and examples of "peaceful coexistance" (as long as one group accepts submission and fewer rights), the clashes between Judaism, Christianity and Islam are among the longest and most deadly conflicts in history.

The mass migration of millions of Muslims into Europe is one of the biggest changes in human history, of a magnitude whose consequences we still don't know, with an enormous risk of endless ethnic-religious conflicts. Islamic integration in the West may take a very long time, even centuries. 

The statistical projection is not good: Pew Research says that younger Muslims in the West have a tendency to become more and more radicalized, even after generations... For example: 42% of young Muslims in France believe there are situations when suicide bombing is justified (page 54). All that obviously has a counteraction from far-right extremists.

"As the children of a first generation of immigrants who came to Italy to work come of age, there is concern second-generation Italian Muslims might also suffer from the identity crisis and feeling of alienation that have afflicted their counterparts in countries like France and the United Kingdom. In an increasingly polarized society, extreme Islamist ideology might offer a sense of meaning and purpose sought by those who feel victimized and frustrated."

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/the-terror-threat-to-italy-how-italian-exceptionalism-is-rapidly-diminishing/

So it doesn't really matter whether he is a Muslim or ex-Muslim, atheist, Zionist, or whatever... these extremist ideas all stem from the same place, they're two sides of the same coin which feed on each other... The far-right doesn't rise from nothing. The left is horridly failing to recognize that they've opened the gates for that, they are failing to have a bit more of self-criticism.

It seems that the attacker has serious mental issues. All these extremist ideologies attract minds like his... We can't blame only on his paranoia and dismiss everything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxLjFi92FS4&feature=youtu.be

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u/9k111Killer Dec 21 '24

Also read that he might have been a sleeper agent..... 

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u/SchizoPosting_ Dec 21 '24

The fact that the color of his skin matters enough to ignore the fact that he was obviously a nazi says a lot about how people judge this things