r/europe May 20 '25

Map Next 100 years - any monarchies left in Europe? What do you think?

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u/DarrensDodgyDenim Norway May 20 '25

As long as we have monarchs like we've had since 1905, I think the Norwegian monarchy will still be around in 100 years.

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u/NorseChronicler May 20 '25

Yep. Unlike most other monarchies the current Norwegian monarchy does not have any history with anti-democratic policies, power-grabs and fascist sentiments. The monarchy is also heavily associated with the Norwegian national identity because the monarchy was used as a vehicle for securing independence and because of its steadfast hostility toward the nazi invaders and the coup during the war.

Even with some recent serious scandals the Crown Prince remains popular and his heir, Ingrid Alexandra is even more popular. I seriously doubt there will be any room for a sizable republican movement until at least after we have have had our first Queen monarch. Girlboss and all that.

The Socialist parties would have to double in size many times to mount an effective campaign for a Norwegian Republic as the Labour party is split on the topic and the bourgeois parties are decidedly pro-monarchy.

Though if there was a freak accident that killed several people in the line of succession so we'd have to crown the Crown Prince's insane new age spiritualist sister who believes angels are real and who is married to a black American shaman and conspiracy theorist, we would abolish the monarchy overnight. At record speed.

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u/onihydra May 20 '25

Ingrid Alexandra won't be Queen for at least 30 years, possibly longer. So I think it's very early to say whether or not she will be popular by that time.

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u/RedundancyDoneWell May 20 '25

Yep. Unlike most other monarchies the current Norwegian monarchy does not have any history with anti-democratic policies, power-grabs and fascist sentiments.

It hardly has a history at all.

It is only 120 years ago it became independent of the Swedish king. I have food in my fridge, which is almost that old.

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u/Mynteblomst May 20 '25

Most of the people in Norway do not know Ingrid and her brother Sverre. Maybe old people see a link between identity and the royal family, but I do not think it’s common between young and middle aged people. The national identity is mostly based on the beautiful nature, feeling of freedom (even political) and wealth. Not The Royal family. The Norwegian monarchy is young and mostly based on danish, swedish and british bloodlines.

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u/istasan Denmark May 20 '25

Yeah, always hire a Dane to get a good start. Then the rest is just cruise control.

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u/Jagarvem May 20 '25

I'm not sure that's necessarily true. I've been to Kalmar.

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u/magnustranberg Denmark May 20 '25

Tell that to Greece.

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u/istasan Denmark May 20 '25

Mamma Mia. Here we go again

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u/OkHoneydew1599 May 21 '25

Honestly as far as I'm concerned our monarchs weren't that bad. After WW2, the only scandal I can think of was about Queen Sofia's wedding because supposedly her mother pushed the government to increase royal funding for her "Mitgift". After we had the referendum and the monarchy was abolished, lots of issues came up of course, as we had de facto exiled the royal family. But I think... they were mostly in the right? They wanted citizenship, parts of their family's estate -which was left to rot by the Greek government btw- a surname that sparked HUGE controversy (de Grece) and - at first - it was even seen as an issue that they were even entering the country as Danish citizens. And the Queen - Queen Margharet's sister - seems like a really nice person. She learned Greek fluently and looks like she loves the country even after all the legal battles. Also, if the dictatorship hadn't come to power, I bet the monarchy would still be standing. It wouldn't be as strong as in Scandinavian countries, of course, and it would spark controversy but it wouldn't be all that different to the current system. Our President has pretty much the same powers as a monarch. Their official residence is the old palace (although most choose not to live there for symbolic reasons, similarly to how they never sit on the King's balcony in the parliament but rather in the officials' seats), they're not elected by the people but are instead chosen by the prime Minister and approved by the Parliament (it used to be so that if the Parliament didn't approve the president, it was seen as a vote of no confidence to the prime minister and so the parliament was dissolved, the government fell and elections were forced immediately, but that was changed 5 years ago) and they spark controversy because they're backed by parties (they were also used as a way to blackmail the government before the rule was changed). So what is the benefit to having a President instead of a monarch? If the monarch doesn't overspend; none imho. Sorry for the long reply, you were just making a joke hahah

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u/DarrensDodgyDenim Norway May 20 '25

That worked well for Norway with Shetland and the Orkneys....

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u/Pasan90 Bouvet Island May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

In the thousand year long history of Norway, including the numerous warlike Norse petty kings and the hundred year long civil war era. The danish kings somehow manages to be the worst. Except Christian IV. He was a good bloke as far as Norway is concerned.

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u/istasan Denmark May 21 '25

If you go back that many centuries the king was so removed from that I don’t think he mattered a lot to regular people

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u/Pasan90 Bouvet Island May 21 '25

True enough. The Danish kings mattered even less so for Norwegians considering most of them never spent any real time here at all.

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u/istasan Denmark May 21 '25

Well they didn’t. But their ideas certainly live on. Denmark and Norway is much more alike in administration of all kinds than most people realise

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u/BeeFrier May 20 '25

Same here in Denmark.

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u/PeaOk5697 Norway May 20 '25

I hope it's buried after king Harald and queen Sonja. I'm entitled to that opinion.

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u/Pcolocoful Norway May 20 '25

I agree. The action of our «step prince» does not bode well for the crown’ family common sense and better judgement.

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u/Pasan90 Bouvet Island May 21 '25

Should we not judge them based on their actual kids and not the stepson?

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u/Pcolocoful Norway May 21 '25

No, stepkids are real kids. He’s been a part of the royal family since he was a toddler, maybe 2y/o and has had no contact with his father. So he’s as much their son as the bio kids are. 

He’s currently under investigation for beating, and raping women as well as a bunch of drug offences. As it is he’s just following his mother footsteps as she too used to be quite well known for her drug habit - back in the day. 

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u/Critical_Walk May 20 '25

Well, the future queen is an ex drug baronesse

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u/Mynteblomst May 20 '25

And it’s rumours about her children

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u/slavaukrainaafp May 20 '25

Her son is a drug addict and a rapist so i dont think its only rumours anymore

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u/Mynteblomst May 20 '25

The mum herself a former friend of the late Epstein