Any result that is not a Nawrocki win will be soon "problematic", the right already laid a lot of groundwork into convincing their voters that either they win - or election are stolen. They will pull the US trick.
As an American, my perception was that Europe was way better inoculated against this kind of bullshit. Crazy to see a comment thread that could have easily been about our last few elections across the pond.
Everything thanks to internet spreads like wildfire.
Sometimes it helps, most of the time it harms, because people have the attention span of a horsefly and don’t care to learn History beyond 15sec tiktok videos.
Sure, but after the reset, we need to remember what happened when we let the sociopaths have whatever they whined for. Never again.
And conservatism (might as well call it sycophantism) can go away and die somewhere alone. It is a failed political point of view, and it always has been.
So bring down your hammer, sociopaths, and destroy as much as you can before we take our planet back. We will never forget how destructive and hateful you are.
For a very long time political scientists used to say that America was inoculated against this "very European" political disease.
This isn't new and it defined the 20th century for much of Europe. The US is just properly discovering it for the first time and reexporting it back across the pond.
If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.
David Frum, who was a speech writer for George W Bush, wrote that about Republicans in the US, but it's clearly a global concept, and also no longer a hypothetical situation as we're learning.
Unfortunatly there's no such thing as an inherently trustworthy institution or form of government. I mean, yeah, "Of course there isn't". But, my point is that all you have to do to predict where even a democratic government is going to fail its citizens is the state of the citizenry. If society is unhealthy, government is going to go govern unhealthily.
When it comes right down to it, the people only have themselves to blame. If collectively we buy into bullshit and put bullshit into office, it's disingenuous for even the opposition to play the innocent and cry foul and failure of trust.
My own country...perfect example. As essentially a "centrist", I'm WAY angrier at an impotent opposition than I am at the far-right. We weren't sold a bill of goods. We got precisely what we voted for. The only way anyone can act surprised at the last few months is if they're idiots.
If we're completely honest with ourselves, Trump was actually an unusually open book for a politician. Anyone with half a brain could have predicted that the current state of affairs was not only possible. It was highly likely. And the left failed miserably to do their job and provide a convincing balance for an electorate that was enamoured of an extreme.
Anyone on the left, and especially in whatever "centre" we might have, that sits back and blames the other side should shut the fuck up, take responsibility, and get to work bringing things back into balance among us the citizens if we ever hope to have anything trustworthy internally and respected internationally again.
Unfortunately, given the two party system, it's more likely than ever before that we will end up bouncing back and forth between an extremist right and some equally dangerous new "extremist" left.
I know that, so far, the left in the US has presented a more egalitarian front. But it would be folly to assume even that history can't find plenty of ways to devolve further itself into unhealthy governance. In order to restore the health of government, "we the people" have to recover first.
They immediately did this in Romania a couple of weeks ago lol. They lost (with a wider margin than what's happening in Poland now) and then they tried to appeal the results lol
A non-braindead electorate would punish this kind of rhetoric if it turns out to be baseless. But all over the world voters seem to have a moronic "if's there's smoke there's fire mindset"
Why are you making it about your country? You do know that there are democratic parties in European countries as well right? Social democrats, christian democrats, liberal democrats... Generally parties that are more in the centre of the poltical spectrum.
The person you responded to did. There is no reason to assume they would talking about a political party on another continent when talking about politics on the European subreddit.
Democrats is not a trademarked word. Its the word I use to describe #the ones that are opposing# farright parties which have typically not so democratic intentions for the future.
the democratic parties ruled most of europe in the last 30 years and pretty much sold out the middle class to neoliberalistic ideas. This resulted in a very small elitistic group and a very wide middleclass with next to no hope of owning a house or becoming wealthy. This is not the work of the farright, its caused by democratic parties. The farright just knows how to funnel the resulting anger into opportunistic goals for themselves.
I don't know what your problem is? We habe one pro EU democratic guy and the obligatoric farright guy. As always in the last few dozen elections in the last 20 years.
It’s only a win-win if the political establishment is arrogant enough to believe it doesn’t need to prove its legitimacy to those in the electorate being told the system is failing.
If people come of thier high horse and speak to those people aswell and be willing to make some intellectual concessions you dont get election denials, but the political class in the west in a lot of places would rather just throw away credibility then make reasonable concessions.
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u/budapestersalat Jun 01 '25
Too close to call, unfortunately