Any result that is not a Nawrocki win will be soon "problematic", the right already laid a lot of groundwork into convincing their voters that either they win - or election are stolen. They will pull the US trick.
convincing their voters that either they win - or election are stolen.
Christ. Are we really going down this path where the right just lie their asses off about fucking everything and a shit load of people just believe them.
yes. Unless lying in a political context is punished- And I mean actually punished, with fines (progressive, and big enough to dent in even the finances of the entire political party that stands behind the politician/candidate caught lying, and if they won't stop then hitting them with further, bigger, fines, big enough to bankrupt them and all their supporters, and if they just keep doing it anyway then with even further, even bigger fines, big enough to bankrupt even the billionaires supporting them) being stripped of the right to candidate in elections for X number of years, being stripped of the parliamentary immunity, (if the politician caught lying was a parliament/senate member) and potentially even prison if the lie was exceptionally egregious/they just kept repeating it through the fines etc. And not just with a slap on the wrist and moral condemnation from mainstream media like what happens today when rightoids and fascists spread 2137th lie this week. Then lying is OP, and there is no negative cost of doing it, and therefore no point in NOT doing it, because in the current age of online media, you can sell anything and everything to most people if you just keep repeating the lies often and loudly enough.
letting 20 oligarchs freely use their fortunes to pay off lackeys and use every piece of media apparatus they own/control to lie their asses off into political victories, to erode our hard fought for rights and privileges, to turn us into their serfs again: A thing that has been creeping up in basically every country in the western world since at least 2008, sounds infinitely more dystopian to me than bankrupting them for attempting to do so.
Walls and ramparts are only as protective as the guards that man them, and engineers that maintain them. Every system, every defense, every institution not properly upkept will be climbed over, eroded, dug-through, or otherwise bypassed and destroyed over time: democracy, human rights, labour rights, and social security networks, things millions of our ancestors bled and died for for us to enjoy, are no different.
100%. This is and has always been the end-game for right-wing politics. I can't think of a single nation with a sizeable conservative population that didn't eventually turn authoritarian as they gained and consolidated power. It is in the interest of every normal person around the planet to ban anything further than center-right politics.
There were times when most Western countries were solidly conservative and significantly more socially authoritarian, specifically towards women, LGBT folks, foreigners etc. And the right-wing parties were also often using populist and low-IQ arguments.
Yet the political consensus held, right-wingers would concede lost elections. They wouldn't brazenly try to act outside the law. They didn't sell out their countries to malign foreign interests.
I don't know what happened. I could name a few possible reasons, but nothing can ultimately explain this madness.
They believe it to justify their hate. The right is obsessed with hating minorities. Take your pick of whatever minority, but people who identify as lgbtq seem to be their favorite targets.
People are most readily convinced to what they want to believe in the first place, and the lie that they're the noble underdogs beset by sinners is more easily digested than the truth that they're in the wrong.
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u/budapestersalat Jun 01 '25
Too close to call, unfortunately