r/europe 10d ago

Data Europe less total births than US despite having 100M more people

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u/rapsey 10d ago

Because a lot of foreigners buy vacation apartments/houses in croatia.

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u/strange_socks_ Romania 10d ago

Same with Amsterdam. I've just been there and it's "crawling" with rich foreigners who own shops and make artisanal whatever or just live there for the vibes but work remotely from wherever they are (cough cough us cough cough).

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u/juanchospain 10d ago

And dutch people do the same in Spain and other countries 😂 it’s a loop

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u/strange_socks_ Romania 10d ago

În the Romanian countryside too 🙈

Is this what they meant by "trickle down economics"?!

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u/okaywhattho 10d ago

We hate immigrants, we're leaving to go to some better country!

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u/Ornery-Creme-2442 10d ago

Yes eventually will the locals will get rich from the few cents that trickle down. It's not like they create their own communities and economies. And it's the real estate businesses that make bank

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u/shrekfanboy4life 10d ago

So you guys need to buy houses in the US to complete the circle

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u/fabmeyer 10d ago

No way 🤚

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u/FeistyEmployee8 10d ago

$500,000 for that cardboard? No wonder the USAians are leaving. I visited there several times & the construction quality in suburbs is abysmal.

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u/OfficialHaethus Dual US-EU Citizen 🇺🇸🇵🇱 | N🇺🇸 B2/C1🇩🇪 10d ago

I cannot take anybody seriously who refers to us as “USAians” lmao

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u/juicyjuicery 9d ago

As an American, I approve USAians

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u/OfficialHaethus Dual US-EU Citizen 🇺🇸🇵🇱 | N🇺🇸 B2/C1🇩🇪 9d ago

That is an unnatural sound for a native English speaker to make with their mouth.

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u/Relative_Phrase_9821 10d ago

nobody asked you

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u/Wanderhoden 9d ago

I initially thought they said USAsians, and I was like ‘damn, you got me!’

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u/Ornery-Creme-2442 10d ago

Exactly maybe a long time ago. But at this time the country is looking more and more dystopian and that's not even talking about healthcare costs. Maybe if the US was more like Canada.

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u/RainbowCrown71 Italy - Panama - United States of America 9d ago

Jesus, can I go 5 minutes on Reddit without reading some self-loathing garbage from Americans wanting desperately to be liked by foreigners on Reddit? So embarrassing.

Canadians move to the US at 10x the rate per capita as vice-versa. Touch grass and put down the America Bad propaganda for once.

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u/Ok-Tale1862 10d ago

No ty. Been there, done that and fled. Strangely I liked the least popular places best. All the popular population centers sucked big time. Whether red or blue.

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u/Relative_Phrase_9821 10d ago

expansive and crappy, not my market

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u/mzso 9d ago

We need to get rid of rich people.

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u/juanchospain 10d ago

Many cities can still grow in Spain for example but laws doesn’t allow it (also there is many permissions about how dense an apartment can be “how many floors” so many extremely tense areas are limited to 4-7 floors where they could be 20 stores flats that could fit so many people…)

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u/zaubercore Hamburg (Germany) 10d ago

Airbnbs

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u/Green-Amount2479 10d ago

I always wonder who still pays those prices for a vacation home in Croatia. 20 years ago, no problem. Half of the working class in my country likely could have afforded at least a small apartment back then. These days, you have to be pretty wealthy to do that. Small apartments now cost over 300k and those are not at all in urban/metropolitan areas or, god beware, beachfront properties. Those are extremely expensive. For a house, try 500k-600k as a rough starting point. Beachfront property easily goes for over a million these days.

The grocery prices in Croatia have gotten equally insane. Prices on a Western European level (partially even way above them) paired with around 30-40 % of our Median income at best. How's that supposed to work? And it's not like the tourists get spared either. I went there on vacation this year. I paid €1.560 for 10 days in a hotel. In 2019 I paid around €720 per person in the same hotel. That's a very steep increase for that timeframe.

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u/sey1 Europe 10d ago

But that's just on the coast and in the vicinity. A friend of mine bought an apartment couple years ago and we renovated couple of things, often times between November-March.

All those little cities at the sea look like from Zombie movies. No people whatsoever, just some bigger supermarkets open and it's hard to find an open restaurant. So even if expensive, not really many people want to live there, except when the tourism season starts.

Though like with every country, prices in Zagreb, Split and other bigger cities are much higher than some apartments by the sea

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u/BudSpencerCA Earth 10d ago

Makes me so mad because this is an easy fix through some laws which will prevent this.

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u/rapsey 10d ago

Unfortunately we live in a time of barely functional democracies.

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u/bricktube 10d ago

Democracies that are owned by the same corporations

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u/SupermarketWhich7198 10d ago

Are there significant constraints in building more homes/apartments? In some places in the US this is definitely the case.

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u/RainbowCrown71 Italy - Panama - United States of America 9d ago

The issue is that for many European countries, they have 1 (or maybe 2, if generous) major cities that concentrate high-end jobs. And you have to pay for Budapest or Prague or Belgrade or Bucharest because if you can’t afford those, you’re making much much less.

USA has Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco, yes. But it also still has relatively cheap major cities like Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Philadelphia with lots of jobs and cheaper rent (good price to salary ratio). And then you also have a dozen Rust Belt cities with thw ability to absorb millions of residents if the major cities like Chicago get too expensive.

So while there is concentrated high cost in New York and some NIMBY clusters and California (that one is due to the weather so the demand doesn’t move), the rest is far more absorbable.

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u/alien_farmer1 Earth 9d ago

Not that. Because governments dont give a shit about housing crisis. It can be easily solved by making apartments. If you increase the number of houses, problem will be easily solved.

But neither estate agents monopoly or the governments(authorities are also involved) dont want house prices to go down.

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u/rapsey 9d ago

Well in Ireland the government has actually gotten involved and are building. They however have made sure the apartments are very expensive due to the convoluted way of going about it.

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u/Possesed-puppy656 8d ago

That should be illegal

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u/TBalo1 10d ago

To be honest all countries in Europe should prohibit the purchase of residential real estate to people living outside the province or foreigners or whatever. Too many places have issues with locals not being able to afford a place to live. It's silly. And it's not even a matter of taxation, because at this point everything would be legal as long as you can afford it.