Chat Control Stance as of Aug. 2025 (Countries)

[u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

[u/DrWhoDC]

I believe yesterday our prime minister (Belgium) declared we’ll oppose.

[u/Subj3ctX → u/DrWhoDC]

Yup, it's near the top of hot/best too currently

[u/LazerBurken → u/DrWhoDC]

I wish our MEPs weren't retarded.

Good job Belgium.

[u/KN_Knoxxius]

Wait it was us Danes that proposed it? Fuck.

[u/Halvdjaevel → u/KN_Knoxxius]

At least this latest version of it, not sure about previous attempts.

[u/KN_Knoxxius → u/Halvdjaevel]

Well that's embarrassing. If it helps, nobody outside of our politicians actually think it's a good idea!

[u/UISystemError → u/KN_Knoxxius]

That’s because the politicians themselves are exempt from it, as far as I understand it, because it is a security threat.

The majority of citizens object to it.

Use the website to voice your opposition https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

It will pre-compile an email for you, with the addresses of the representatives in your territory, and simply opens your default email app with everything done. You just click send. Takes like 3/4 clicks.

Props to the creator. They couldn’t have made it easier for you to object. Everyone should be doing this and spreading the same message.

Notice: If you are discussing this, and you make it to top comment, please copy and paste this to raise awareness of how simple it is to object.

[u/DmMeYourBoobs69 → u/UISystemError]

I did use this website to send an email, I have been completely ignored

[u/UISystemError → u/DmMeYourBoobs69]

It’s the effort that counts. You can’t deny something is hugely unpopular if you’re inbox is flooded with thousands of complaints.

[u/Aldnoah_Tharsis → u/UISystemError]

You can just claim its a bot campaign. That's the issue. They did the last time something adjacent to it got tried, even with in person protests, saying "they're all bought".

[u/princess_raven → u/Aldnoah_Tharsis]

"They're bought."

"The comments are bots."

"They're paid protesters."

"They're not educated enough to understand the issues."

"If you've nothing to hide, why worry?"

[u/Bleeds_with_ash → u/princess_raven]

It seems that politicians have something to hide.

[u/FluffyGreenThing → u/DmMeYourBoobs69]

I just did it and received autogenerated answers from 3 saying that the European Parliament is in recess until september 3rd so perhaps you’ll receive an answer later?

[u/KN_Knoxxius → u/UISystemError]

Already did, but thanks for sharing! Upvoted!

[u/DucklockHolmes → u/UISystemError]

To clarify, as I've understood the proposal, politicians aren't exempt from it, rather it's workplace related communications that are exempt both for companies and politicians internally on say Teams.

[u/xrogaan → u/DucklockHolmes]

Neat article written 30 years ago on why privacy is important: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/crypto/cypherpunks/zimmermann-why-pgp.html

If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy.

[u/raxiam → u/Halvdjaevel]

Previous attempt was by the (former) Swedish commissioner Ylva Johansson

[u/oddsnstats → u/raxiam]

Putting the 'scan' in Scandinavia.

And I thought these were the cool countries. Why are social democrats even pushing for this?

[u/ThrowFar_Far_Away → u/oddsnstats]

It quite aligns with our culture of "government knows best" so I'm not that surprised.

[u/LightningPowers → u/oddsnstats]

Hungry for [more] power

[u/Kryddersild → u/oddsnstats]

Well in Denmark (And I believe Sweden as well), back in the 30's, they did also front run for eugenics. I guess they really like control and hate individualism.

[u/krzyk → u/Kryddersild]

Sweden was into eugenics even after WWII.

[u/BrushNo8178 → u/Kryddersild]

Forced sterilisation was abolished in Sweden in 1976. The last experiments on intellectually disabled were done in 1955.

[u/__shobber__ → u/Kryddersild]

All my dane friends absolutely hate danish society, because it's like a crab bucket. If you're somehow stand out, they would hate you.

[u/almarcTheSun → u/oddsnstats]

Norway and Denmark have been core members of the nine eyes since forever. Scandinavia has always been a hellhole when it comes to privacy.

[u/faen_du_sa → u/almarcTheSun]

Not sure if I would agree its been a hellhole for privacy, but I would agree we put a tad too much good faith in our government. From a Norwegian aspect at least.

[u/SymbolicDom → u/oddsnstats]

Its only the politicians not the people

[u/Human-Astronomer6830 → u/Halvdjaevel]

They brought it back to the table as they got the rolling presidency.

So far, as I can tell, the Danes themselves didn't alter the policy draft but ofc, are behind pushing it.

[u/arcane_labor92 → u/KN_Knoxxius]

And pushing hard for it.

[u/interesseret → u/arcane_labor92]

Yeah, its extremely rare that i experience being ashamed of my country, but here we are.

Every single politician we have pushing for this is a piece of shit.

[u/WildCardNoF → u/interesseret]

Hummelgaard is a wannabe fascist.

[u/Gebirges → u/KN_Knoxxius]

South Park got you right...

[u/AiHaveU → u/KN_Knoxxius]

Well South Park predicted it 😂

[u/KnightFlorianGeyer → u/KN_Knoxxius]

I genuinely have no idea what Denmark is doing as EU presidency holder right now. First they try to completely remove the veto, which luckily failed, and now they introduce this stupid chat control stuff. Really unexpected for an otherwise reasonable country

[u/IWillDevourYourToes → u/KnightFlorianGeyer]

And people thought Hungarian presidency will be the pain in the arse

[u/KnightFlorianGeyer → u/IWillDevourYourToes]

Right, they even got Romania and Bulgaria into Schengen lol

[u/Alexx_Mxx → u/KnightFlorianGeyer]

Be aware of the vampires. They can travel freely now

[u/rocketstopya → u/KN_Knoxxius]

Danes should propose only about statues with big tits

[u/Sea-Temporary-6995]

I can't understand what goes through the head of people that support it.

I wrote to most of my country's representatives in the EU parliament but so far no reply.

[u/tiankai → u/Sea-Temporary-6995]

fOr the KiDs

[u/Every-Win-7892 → u/tiankai]

More like fuck over the kids.

Who undermines freedom for security will lose both.

[u/SmallTalnk → u/Every-Win-7892]

Exactly, we must protect the liberal values on which the EU is built. Freedom is the most important value of modern liberal democracies.

It's crazy how illiberal movements are on the rise these days, from the ethno-nationalist right to the repressive left...

This decade it seems that everyone wants to suppress freedoms, while in the 2000s-2010s, it seemed that everyone was liberal.

[u/TeamRedundancyTeam → u/Every-Win-7892]

Am American, can confirm.

[u/userNotFound82 → u/tiankai]

It‘s always „for“ the kids or „against“ terrorism or „against“ the drugs. Choose your fighter to install authoritarian tools…

[u/slimvim → u/tiankai]

If you oppose it, you're a pedo. That's how they get away with this kind of bullshit.

[u/Incorrigible_Gaymer → u/slimvim]

And yet they make themselves exempt... Like if they were afraid of something.

[u/happy_church_burner → u/tiankai]

It's really disheartening to see those either not understand or care that every door created for the police is a door created for everyone else also.

[u/AmbitiousReaction168 → u/Sea-Temporary-6995]

I’ve seen quite a few comments on Reddit claiming that, as long as we have nothing to hide, we shouldn’t worry. These commenters genuinely believe that the goal is to stop criminals and protect children.

[u/Povstnk → u/AmbitiousReaction168]

"Give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I'll find enough to hang him."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

[u/majcek → u/Povstnk]

Another great quote

I don't accept the idea that if we have nothing to hide we have nothing to fear. Privacy serves a purpose. It’s why we have blinds on our windows and a door on our bathroom.

[u/Krebota → u/AmbitiousReaction168]

If you break end-to-end encryption, you break privacy. The whole point of end-to-end encryption is that it is completely private. If they force companies to supply a backdoor, that's gone. That's why it is a problem.

You'd be naive to think that companies will not use the then available data of private chats to make a profit.

[u/AmbitiousReaction168 → u/Krebota]

Yes I know. I most definitely do not condone the comments I was referring to.

[u/stoveen → u/AmbitiousReaction168]

Id put money on most of them being bots. Dead internet theory and all that

[u/enjdusan → u/AmbitiousReaction168]

I always ask these people whether they would be OK with a camera in their bedroom... you know, you have nothing to hide, right?

[u/amugsz → u/Sea-Temporary-6995]

I e-mailed most of mine too, one of them said that chat control has "no concerns with privacy" and that it is an imperative bill for combating CSAM even if I linked a study stating government control does not affect much if anything on its spread.

They take us for idiots.

[u/faen_du_sa → u/amugsz]

Maybe not for idiots, but they for sure believe there wont be enough people who actively oppose it, and im not sure if they are wrong.

[u/xondk → u/Sea-Temporary-6995]

Either lack of understanding of what they are suggestion, and or they gain something by doing it.

It has been suggested many times by more then one commission and most of them seem to be the lack of understanding, they base it on "Well the police and force their way into your house, so why not your messages?"

[u/GlobalFriendship5855]

You know it's bad when even Orban and Fico apparently support it.

[u/stillaras → u/GlobalFriendship5855]

EU is becoming so anti privacy lately. Complete opposite direction of what they have been doing the last few years. Very annoying

[u/Glorbo_Neon_Warlock → u/stillaras]

Not annoying. Horrifying.

[u/dat_9600gt_user → u/stillaras]

And scary when you think about it.

At an age of USA, China and Russia spying everyone, the EU should be a shining beacon of that very thing not happening to its citizens.

[u/Dovahkiinthesardine → u/dat_9600gt_user]

It will also give Russia a fucking backdoor. The politicians pushing for this are either stupid af or enemies of their people and should be treated accordingly.

[u/HiCookieJack → u/Dovahkiinthesardine]

every fucking 2 years we need to take it to the streets - just place the people proposing this BS going against our core values in jail

[u/qwertzu-1 → u/Dovahkiinthesardine]

Fun fact: All of their names in the proposal are blacked out. The law itself explicitly exempts them. They know what they are doing.

[u/GolotasDisciple → u/stillaras]

EU is becoming so anti privacy lately.

EU is not a federation so it depends on its members. And yeah, I’d say countries like Ireland, France, and Germany are not really keen on internet freedom. It will always be up and down.

Well To be fair Ireland has no original thought, we just usually copy whatever UK does. Which is awful because UK is a terrible example.

What always annoyed me is how much power Germany and France have over these kinds of movements. Which is weird, because Germans as citizens are generally chill, but their government is really strict about everything. Probably the only country out there that actively hunts “piracy.”

Luckily for me, all of the things the EU wants to appropriate are downright stupid and easily avoidable if you’re IT literate. But for the general population, it’s insane that they’re fine with more surveillance and less personal privacy.

The way you change the EU is by changing your own country first. But honestly, we are not going in the right direction. European nations are already bureaucratic nightmares, and the EU is not making it any easier by adding more regulations that don’t improve quality of life but add even more strain on bureaucracy and essential services.

Spying on people takes a good amount of manpower, and that could be used for something else.

[u/Detvan_SK → u/stillaras]

EU was never about privacy, they was again leaking data to companies and outside of EU, but are fine with it if state know everything about you.

[u/TheSecondTraitor → u/GlobalFriendship5855]

Being able to read private messages of his critics, journalists, police, detectives, prosecutors, judges etc is Fico's wet dream. He already sees himself abusing the shit out of this to increase his chances of staying in power or at least out of prison.

[u/Incorrigible_Gaymer → u/TheSecondTraitor]

Not just Fico. It's every wannabe authoritarian ruling party's wet dream. Digging up dirt on opposition becomes a breeze.

[u/Morasain → u/Incorrigible_Gaymer]

Interestingly, all the representatives from AfD (far right German party) oppose it according to the website.

Seems that they're at least honest about being anti EU involvement lol.

[u/TangerineSorry8463 → u/Morasain]

AfD is like Europe's biggest "what if the group chat leaks"

[u/Dragoner7 → u/GlobalFriendship5855]

The Chat Control website has bad data for Hungary. I don’t think there has been any official communication from this from Orban. They state that he would support this (and based on his moronic laws, sure, but even then, I could see hid voters not liking it or him being cautious about this, maybe even opposing this, framing it as ‘Brussels wanting to take away your privacy’), but good luck pushing this when there is an election coming. It also lists clearly opposition parties such as TISZA, DK as also in support based on the government’s unconfirmed standpoint, but the moment Orban would try pushing for this, all TISZA party members would argue for the opposite. Magyar Peter only ignores controversial issues as to not to divide his supporters before election, but I don think protecting privacy would be that controversial.

So option a is: Orban doesn’t want to risk it, uses this as an advantage to gain favor of voters by opposing it Option B: Orban for some reason supporting this openly, all TISZA party members openly opposing this.

[u/Flamin_Jesus → u/GlobalFriendship5855]

That just means there's bribery involved, not exactly a huge surprise.

[u/Legion404 → u/Flamin_Jesus]

Not bribery, with this law they likely can spy more easily on opposition/hostile elements.

[u/FirstAtEridu → u/Flamin_Jesus]

Politicians are exempt form Chat control, it's just for us peasants.

[u/Lisbon-]

I don’t know a single citizen who wants this. How can countries be aligned with this bs

[u/Better_than_GOT_S8 → u/Lisbon-]

Most people have no idea this is a thing, or they are brainwashed by people saying that this will only be used to catch child predators.

[u/Lisbon- → u/Better_than_GOT_S8]

Ye it’s wild, they will weaponize children to end the internet as we know it. That’s def worse than S8

[u/BiereGoogles → u/Lisbon-]

My dad and a recent girlfriend approves of it. Both with the classical argument "i HaVe NoThInG tO hIdE"... and it makes my blood boil!

[u/henk12310 → u/Lisbon-]

Because this is not in the news at all. I have only seen this mentioned on Reddit and YouTube, which is kinda insane for such an impactful and influential proposal

[u/NachMitternacht]

so what sense will this actually make?
now that everyone knows it and even without the goverment proposing this, people would just move off platform and do their shady stuff anyway...

this only looks like its against the regular citizen at this point and just some goverments being outlasted even more because of so many false positives, let alone how those false positives can be used to exploit regular citizens and ruin democracy.

[u/Wooden-Practice8508 → u/NachMitternacht]

Politicians, police will be exempt, it's just another power grab

[u/NachMitternacht → u/Wooden-Practice8508]

i wish i could say this is some conspiracy but the last few years have proven this statement to be true. unfortunately ...

[u/AntLive9218 → u/NachMitternacht]

That's the whole point. It isn't a coincidence that this is being pushed when more and more citizens are unhappy with the governments, and they may cast a "dangerous" vote after another 4 years of no representation, or worse, organize a protests.

This isn't about the crimes people care about like thieves / robbers on the streets the locals already recognize for being around in specific areas, or groomers even a blind man could find, but the police would rather visit the people writing "mean" posts online about such gangs.

It's about the "crime" of threatening the comfortable positions and corrupt investments of the career politicians representing their "donors" instead of their citizens.

[u/Downtown-Sell5949]

How is Germany even undecided? They don't even have normal functioning street view because of "muh privacy" and doing everything in cash because "The government won't need to know what I get" but then also undecided on the most privacy invasive law ever.

EDIT: Be sure to send an email to your MEP's via: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

[u/Fothyon → u/Downtown-Sell5949]

Because this isn't about the popular vote, there isn't going to be a referendum about it, this map just shows what they know or guess the German MEP are going to vote

[u/Downtown-Sell5949 → u/Fothyon]

If even AfD opposes this law (according to https://fightchatcontrol.eu/) then there's something wrong with the other parties. That does sound bad.

[u/Banane9 → u/Downtown-Sell5949]

AfD opposes it because they basically oppose everything... Sadly in this case, they're accidentally on the good side with that.

[u/SunflowerMoonwalk → u/Banane9]

Similar in the UK. Reform are the only party to oppose our draconian new "online safety act". There seems to be a complete lack of liberal/left opposition across Europe to massive privacy violations which is honestly absurd.

[u/Better_than_GOT_S8 → u/Banane9]

A broken clock…

[u/V112 → u/Fothyon]

It’s not MEP based. Its government stance - this shows the probable votes in the Council of the EU (the upper chamber, where the EP is the lower chamber). MEPs vote mostly based on their europarty alignment, not their government position.

[u/Fothyon → u/V112]

No, it doesn't, or rather, it shows both. On the website it shows which way each MEP is supposed to vote for, considering either if their Party already announced they will vote a certain way (AfD, Volt, Greens) or if they're still thinking about it in the Government (SPD, CDU)

[u/V112 → u/Fothyon]

Well then it’s stupid. Because meps don’t reprint the government and in many cases they are of national opposition parties to their government. Poland has 53 MEPs, assuming all of them will vote oppose - which the website does - based on the stance of the government is outright ridiculous, considering how critical of the government are about half of those MEPs

[u/dasBunnyFL → u/Downtown-Sell5949]

The German government was against previous versions of this. However the new government has yet to officially comment and might have a different position than previous ones.

[u/Downtown-Sell5949 → u/dasBunnyFL]

Quite a few countries were against this, in I think 2020, that are now supporting it. So that doesn't say anything.

[u/cyrkielNT → u/Downtown-Sell5949]

Recording your car trip is illegal because of privacy concerns, but goverment want to spy on citizens chats

[u/P529 → u/cyrkielNT]

Its so crazy to me how we in germany have the "Postgeheimnis" and suddenly the gov wants to snoop around in our chats. Crazy

[u/Smitellos → u/cyrkielNT]

Or having cookies automatically recorded is illegal too, with a new proposal that the cookie window should only have 1 click option to reject all.

[u/Rebatsune → u/Downtown-Sell5949]

Street view is now available for Germany tho…

[u/Max_FI → u/Rebatsune]

But unlike other countries, there is no historical Street View, so the old images will be deleted when new ones are added.

[u/TheNazzarow → u/Max_FI]

Oh yeah you're right. That's quite sad - germany had coverage in like 15 cities from 15 years ago and I know I looked at that a year ago but know its gone. It was a fun time capsule.

[u/The-Kylo-Ren → u/Rebatsune]

And they’ve adopted card pretty much everywhere since COVID.

[u/GagolTheSheep → u/Downtown-Sell5949]

Undecided, in this case, means that there hasn't been any formal statements from the government about this.

Basically just means the German government hasn't officially announced how they will be voting (possibly because they haven't decided yet)

[u/BothExamination6580]

Fuck those Denmark politicians

[u/will_dormer → u/BothExamination6580]

peter hummelgaard

He had a tough childhood, beaten, and now he want to save other children, no matter what.. I hate him

[u/Fruloops → u/will_dormer]

"save the children" is a disgrace of a fucking excuse and it's used only because the people pushing it are well aware that a lot of people will not look past the facade and will support it regardless of anything because "kids".

[u/WildCardNoF → u/will_dormer]

Nah... that's just his excuse. He is a wannabe fascist.

[u/libach81 → u/will_dormer]

On the same note, there is Nick Hækkerup who claims that surveillance equals freedom. More precisely, he said that you cannot have freedom without security (as in the sense of feeling secure) and that it logically then follows that more surveillance gives more freedom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_H%C3%A6kkerup

[u/Potato_Poul → u/BothExamination6580]

All danes i know don't it so thanks for saying politicians

[u/Froggodile]

Wait, we are on the right side for once?

[u/yetanothercat_ → u/Froggodile]

Ikr??

[u/FixLaudon → u/Froggodile]

Big win if true!

[u/Little_Albatross9304]

I don't understand why this isn't a public vote. It's extremely invasive for everyone's privacy.

[u/Ertai2000 → u/Little_Albatross9304]

I think you might have answered your own question.

[u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

[u/Dotcaprachiappa → u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

Why does it say that some countries (Denmark, Malta, ...) support it when most of the MEPs oppose?

[u/SeriouslyNotSerious2 → u/Dotcaprachiappa]

Because the governments of these countries are pushing the proposal in the Council, but it's not a given that the individual MEPs sitting in the parliament will comply with their domestic governments agendas.

People blame the EU, but the EU is not doing anything here. It's every government of every country that supports this pushing this to make it EU wide.

[u/Dotcaprachiappa → u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

So those countries support it in the council but oppose it in parliament?

[u/SeriouslyNotSerious2 → u/Dotcaprachiappa]

Yes some MEPs, especially Denmark seem to be more inclined to oppose it when/if it reaches the parliament even though Denmark as a nation is pushing for this in the Council.

[u/Swarna_Keanu → u/Dotcaprachiappa]

MEPs are elected independently of the national government. So it's possible those value different policies.

[u/enderlh → u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

Done!

[u/TheTiniestPeach]

Never thought I am gonna see privacy and rights ripped away from people under the excuse of protecting the children..

[u/Little_Albatross9304 → u/TheTiniestPeach]

They did the same, using terrorism as their excuse.

[u/Smitellos → u/TheTiniestPeach]

Oh I saw it twice. With Russia and China.

In Russia it was also about "protecting children" in 2015

[u/Akhevan → u/Smitellos]

In Russia it was also about "protecting children" in 2015

And in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 and now slated for 2026 too.

And it mostly started with persecution against free journalism in the early to mid 00s really. And 2015 was a year after Crimea so your schedule is way off.

[u/GayBaklava → u/TheTiniestPeach]

You must be new

[u/2024-2025 → u/TheTiniestPeach]

They don’t give a shit about the children, it’s just an excuse to make it harder for opponents to oppose it.

[u/glassfrogger → u/TheTiniestPeach]

Same excuse Orbán is using to oppress gay rights in Hungary.

This is Russian recipe. It seems to be working everywhere.

[u/xd720p → u/TheTiniestPeach]

That's exactly how they did it back then in Russia - first steps of taking freedom away were done using "protecting children" and a lot of people bought it. Do not repeat our mistakes

[u/stonkysdotcom]

What a fucking shame my native Sweden is supporting this travesty

[u/SeriouslyNotSerious2 → u/stonkysdotcom]

Sweden particularly seems obsessed with monitoring everything about their citizens tbh so I'm not surprised at all

[u/stonkysdotcom → u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

Sweden had strong digital privacy laws that have been eroded over the last decade. It wasn't always like this

[u/SeriouslyNotSerious2 → u/stonkysdotcom]

But things like Ratsit are crazy af

[u/stonkysdotcom → u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

There are much more egregious things going on in Sweden, such as the police opening mail(legally) in case they suspect some weed in there.

[u/oskich → u/SeriouslyNotSerious2]

Most data held by the government institutions is public (for transparency, anti-corruption), but some private companies have used that law to package it and sell it as a service. Before those companies came around you had to call or write a government employee and request a printout.

[u/GELATOSOURDIESEL → u/stonkysdotcom]

Crazy that the Pirate party started in Sweden.

[u/BrushNo8178 → u/stonkysdotcom]

Justice minister Tomas Bodström pushed for mass surveillance already 20 years ago (Bodströmssamhället).

[u/2024-2025 → u/stonkysdotcom]

It’s their original stupid idea

[u/DuaLipaMePippa]

We Croats have a remarkable ability to always choose wrong.

[u/RecordApprehensive17 → u/DuaLipaMePippa]

Don't imagine that we French are better

[u/Big-Machine9625 → u/RecordApprehensive17]

Tbh I'm honestly shocked that all of the MEPs for Czechia actually agreed on something uninanimously. You know the idea is horrible if liberals, hyper-conservatives, communists, and capitalists are all trying to shoot it down.

I can't see why some countries support it though, since it can't be just to protect children.

[u/Common_Pirate_8005 → u/Big-Machine9625]

Atleast we do something right

[u/Legal_Lettuce6233 → u/DuaLipaMePippa]

SDP i MOST su počeli gurati peticije koje se protive ovome; hvala bogu isusu i dalaj lami da SDP napokon ima neki stav.

Sad samo trebaju borzanicu i ostale stisnut i valjda će bit nešto.

[u/wildpantz → u/DuaLipaMePippa]

We chose wrong and then our choice chose wrong, but you summed it up pretty well, yeah.

[u/-RaptorX72- → u/DuaLipaMePippa]

We Hungarians have entered the chat.

[u/frogking]

As a Dane: I do not support this, at all.

[u/Little_Albatross9304 → u/frogking]

None of us do 🙃

[u/krzyk]

Oh, there is finally something nice about my country. Our MEPs oppose this.

[u/Enderfan7363]

A quick reminder that this whole "movement", if you can even call it that, is incredibly inorganic with millions and millions in lobby money behind it. Now where does that money come from?

[u/Wippingwaffel]

If this was a popular vote it wouldn't even get considered. We need to remember this law won't affect those voting for it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Wippingwaffel]

We need to remember this law won't affect those voting for it.

This probably is to sweeten the deal for those politicians, but I am very curious if this applies to them only when elected/in office or during an extended period. You'd have to be a madman, stupid or corrupt to agree to something like this for only 4 years.

[u/Expert_Average958]

Fucking Germany being undecided. Can we not have a correct stance on something? Anything? Just for once? FFS!

[u/BrushNo8178 → u/Expert_Average958]

Stasi was not effective enough I guess.

[u/TimDd2013 → u/Expert_Average958]

I wrote them an email like 2 or 3 weeks ago, and after about 50 immediate responses about summer break, I've received a total of 3 replies so far. In order: (we vote...) no(Tierschutzpartei), no(AfD), no(FDP).

So at least the parties that kinda need to fight for votes seem to care a bit.

[u/Expert_Average958 → u/TimDd2013]

Thank you for emailing them, I'm disappointed that Piratenpartei did not reply going to talk to them the next time i see their booth.

[u/socialsciencenerd]

Absolutely disgusting initiative. 

[u/icemixxy]

wow. they want to scan my messages but i can't use a dashcam in my car? damn these peopel are really on a fuckall roll the last 10 years

[u/regenpower]

sent 40 emails to the german representatives yesterday, will do the remaining 35 tomorrow (all those still undecided, 75/96)

the left and the right both are against it, and i have gotten one response so far from a CDU member that they are also against it; maybe not all hope is lost in germany

[u/MeggaMortY → u/regenpower]

Thank you for doing your part. As a somewhat green resident with plenty of German knowledge, but not so much political chops, do you have some sort of way to tell me how to contact them too?

[u/Flashpoint_1985]

Next step: live access to phone cameras

Greetings from Poland

[u/TheKensei → u/Flashpoint_1985]

Don't give them ideas ...

[u/Minute_Attempt3063]

If this passes, I will just give all my chats to the Chinese government.

Maybe they have a better use for it at that point.

Like, if this passes this violates one of the core fucking values of Europe. Privacy. And they are fucking that up now as well.

Child safety? Anti terrorism? Bullshit. Child safety is easy if you just banned American apps. Want to prevent bullying? Geach the fucking bully manners.

[u/Tsukeh]

As a Swede I'm so fucking mad at my own government, and somehow even more mad at Denmark. Smfh

[u/Dangerous_Jacket_129 → u/Tsukeh]

Isn't that the default state of Swedes? 

[u/Tsukeh → u/Dangerous_Jacket_129]

You're not wrong lmao

[u/probablypoo → u/Tsukeh]

The only Swedish parties that supports Chat control on EU-level is Socialdemokraterna and Kristdemokraterna, the rest are against.

[u/m3phisto23]

back to private irc servers and LORA networks

[u/sliddis]

Other than "fighting child pornography" what are any arguments for this? Are there any known suggestions how this will be implemented on a technical level? Backdooring all apps in EU app stores? Force social media Giants to share information?

I don't know any details more than I skimmed on Reddit. But it truly sounds really stupid that so many countries are for it. I can't comprehend they neglect all privacy concerns. There must be more to this?

[u/International-Cup897]

DANSKJÄVLAR

[u/trueosiris2]

the Party of the Belgian prime minister just came out strongly against chat control. This means that it's as good as sure that Belgium will vote against it.

[u/t_rex_pasha]

Fuck them kids

[u/AlexanderReave → u/t_rex_pasha]

This might be the last time you can get away with saying that

[u/Yellow-Mike]

🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿

[u/Sjeg84]

4 against. Good :)

[u/dat_9600gt_user]

Poland is usually very good at internet rights. Today is no different here.

[u/Eland51298]

I smell a rise in anti-EU sentiment.

[u/maybeyouwant → u/Eland51298]

Once it passes there is no coming back, just like with 22% VAT.

[u/uberusepicus]

The biggest party in Belgium opposes it.

[u/theburgerbitesback]

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[u/ChrisBreederveld]

It's so weird to me that everyone in tech knows if you open the door to the "good guys" you also open it to the bad guys.

This is exactly that, with added steps. So it does not only invade our privacy, it also invades our security, even at government level.

[u/mathis3299]

Fucking danes....

[u/Pazerniusz]

Remember if you are enemy of Poland you are bad guys.

[u/KPhoenix83]

After reading about the law a bit, it seems that this law has more to do with governmental control than actually protecting children.

I suspect its real intentions are far more broad, especially given that this will weaken end to end encryption in Europe and allow governments to potentially look into ALL types of data (seems kind of dumb as that could make you guys vulnerable to foreign interference or spying also).

But I am American, and I am overly paranoid about anything my government does as we are raised to be, especially our current one. So maybe I am reading too much into it.

[u/TenpoSuno → u/KPhoenix83]

We're all getting the same vibe learning about this initiative. It smells too much like a power grab onder the guise of "protecting the kids". A back door is, by definition, a security vulnerability. Given the current geo-political climate, this is a terrible idea. And imho always a terrible idea.

[u/Cool-Psychology-4896]

Finally, polish politicians agreed on something for once.

[u/JustDadIt]

As an EU resident can I not just use my right to be forgotten, or the new DMA requirement and move my data to a different spy agency in the middle of the ocean, or file a GDPR complaint about improperly storing my information without permission???

[u/ajrf92]

I wonder if in Spain there's anyone who wants to stop this liberticide nonsense.

[u/80386]

In the 2nd World War, the reason so many Jews were killed in the Netherlands was because the government had an elaborate registry of the etnicity and religion of every citizen.

So fuck this.

[u/Sonnycrocketto]

Eastern and central Europe are going to save us?

[u/-Vikthor-]

What I don't get is the position of the Baltic states. Subverting encryption opens security holes the size of a T-90. Should it be enacted it WILL be exploited by ruskys.

[u/SS_wypipo]

Can't help but notice the overlap between countries who support this and countries in which life is slowly but surely getting worse in most aspects. This might be just me though.

[u/supercakefish]

As a Brit I say save yourselves EU, while you still can! Our government has already lost the plot, accusing anyone who doesn’t like the new Online Safety Act of being paedophile supporters - yes you did read that correctly, sadly. It’s too late for us, we lost this fight. Don’t follow in our footsteps!

[u/joyfulpuff]

I don't want to be treated like a criminal, even tho i am a lawful citizen.

Before my chats are being monitored, I want to see every politician's income, open cards on donations to political parties and it's members, as well as the right to vote for or against restrictions of my own f*cking privacy.

Otherwise, this is literally China-stuff.

[u/boilingfrogsinpants]

If anybody tries to take a stance of "protecting the children" to get any sort of legislation passed, you can almost guarantee that it has nothing to do with protecting children...

[u/OwnRepresentative916]

Belgium announced opposition 

[u/PozitronCZ]

The question isn't if it gets approved anymore, the question only is when it gets approved.

[u/xxSammaelxx]

All right, let's go for it. But then let's also make sure no politician is exempted from these controls, and that if there's the even the smallest suspicion of any corrupt behavior, those chats are checked with the same scrutiny as for the rest of us.

Looking at you specifically, Portugal and Spain whose leaders have been getting away with the most blatant corruption ever.

[u/OrdinaryMundane1579]

"🇫🇷 France

81 representatives

81 presumed in favor based on government stance"

So we don't fucking know then ?

[u/Europehunter]

Poland is saving Europe once again

[u/andar1on]

As a Pole, proud.