I suspect its a bit of the same forces that have been lurking and is in full action in the US now. Not sure if its the same "people", but for sure similar mindset and agendas.
Almost certainly the same people, it will most likely be done with palantir too. And once it is deployed in europe and the usa, it is now "standard practice" for law enforcement and a readily made package for other countries lobbied to easily adopt, leaving no place to run from it in the world.
The one that the government decided overnight to jail and beat protestors for. Certainly would like to hide THAT from them, if I made posts like that. Hypothetically. In Minecraft.
No it is not the answer. See how bad Reddit is censoring any right sided ideas. What happens? The persons who even want to talk about get jaded and go farther.
You should combat far-right with talking them and trying to solve their issues. Or your country goes the British way: "operation raise the flag!"
if you censor the far-right, people with right views will vote for mainstream right. that's how it worked for centuries before we had unregulated uncensored social media.
as long as the government is democratically elected I don't see the problem. that's how it worked for the whole of history and when it didn't, it wasn't for good.
Yeah, because there have been no instances of a government being democratically elected and then saying "you know, opposition is so lame, let's outlaw it!"
I mean, apart from all the instances where exactly that happened.
So basically you are saying a democratically elected government can and should ban any opposition they have? Or where do we have this bar? Are we banning NSDAP scale right wings or CDU right wing? Or are we banning all the Nazis, whom the far left in the US calls Nazis, like people who are not believin, that there are 78+ genders? Those are very different things.
Also you know what party was banned in Hungary in 1937? The right wing party lead by Szálasi Ferenc. You know who got votes 2 years later? Guess who?
Really? Last time the far right got censored they infiltrated the mainstream right and police, butchered their opponents in the streets, burned the reichstag and took total control
It will also give Russia a fucking backdoor. The politicians pushing for this are either stupid af or enemies of their people and should be treated accordingly.
EU is not a federation so it depends on its members. And yeah, I’d say countries like Ireland, France, and Germany are not really keen on internet freedom. It will always be up and down.
Well To be fair Ireland has no original thought, we just usually copy whatever UK does. Which is awful because UK is a terrible example.
What always annoyed me is how much power Germany and France have over these kinds of movements. Which is weird, because Germans as citizens are generally chill, but their government is really strict about everything. Probably the only country out there that actively hunts “piracy.”
Luckily for me, all of the things the EU wants to appropriate are downright stupid and easily avoidable if you’re IT literate. But for the general population, it’s insane that they’re fine with more surveillance and less personal privacy.
The way you change the EU is by changing your own country first. But honestly, we are not going in the right direction. European nations are already bureaucratic nightmares, and the EU is not making it any easier by adding more regulations that don’t improve quality of life but add even more strain on bureaucracy and essential services.
Spying on people takes a good amount of manpower, and that could be used for something else.
Good to see another Paddy here. The bit about Ireland not having an original thought is especially true. As for the tech literacy making you immune to this stuff, no it doesn't. Companies don't need everyone's data to control them, they just need enough of the population to build a profile. You can be completely off grid and still screwed over by people telling governments and corporations everything. America is a perfect example, plenty of tech literate people who did everything right and gave the corpos nothing and yet the death of privacy has made it possible to convince enough of the population to embrace fascism and that affects all of them. In Ireland we've developed a very independence first culture and as such we sometimes forget other people's choices affect us as long as we have democracy.
The digital euro is going in the same direction of anti-privacy. And people are applauding it because antiamericanism has been weaponized as aT leaSt iT's NOt MAsteRCArD/VisA.
Yeah it's not but it's not great. We're building the tools for authoritarianism.
Not yet, this is just a proposal (by the states btw). If it passes, it's terrible. If it fails, especially at EP it means that the EU is working.
So far, the EU, in particular the ECJ is far from being anti-privacy but the members states are increasingly encroaching on fundamental rights, and that can be felt at all levels
Isn't it because the foreign disinformation/propaganda campaigns through social media are now basically a bigger threat to democracy than government overreach? I'm not saying this is a good thing, but I also don't think it's as clear-cut as people here seem to think.
Anti-privacy from state maybe but they are strongly for private ownership.
That there are few politicians wanting EU controll own market do not mean much when reall way of EU works is giving freedom to companies if you comply with regulations.
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u/stillaras Greece 12d ago
EU is becoming so anti privacy lately. Complete opposite direction of what they have been doing the last few years. Very annoying