Lindsey Graham Calls for Sanctions on Norway After Major BDS Move

[u/soalone34]

https://newrepublic.com/post/199803/lindsey-graham-sanctions-norway-israel-bds-caterpillar

[u/Didsterchap11]

A genuine crux of the mindset that is American conservatism is that it should be illegal to disagree with them.

[u/Wrxloser1215 → u/[deleted]]

Don't forget you cant be Maga without being Israel first!

[u/Equivalent-Role4632 → u/Wrxloser1215]

While at the same time hating the Jewish yelling the jews will not replace us. Maga people just makes no sense.

[u/Wrxloser1215 → u/Equivalent-Role4632]

Nothing makes sense and the rules are all made up

[u/bronco2p → u/Equivalent-Role4632]

those aren't the same set of people

[u/Equivalent-Role4632 → u/bronco2p]

Oh yes it is. Magas hate everybody who isn't white and male.

[u/Andoral → u/Equivalent-Role4632]

THAT is the real crux. Inconsistency and rampant hypocrisy is the one true core of right wing thought throughout the world and the more unhinged the party, the more pronounced it becomes.

All their talking points or "deeply held" beliefs are just nonsense to attack the opposition, a case of "every accusation is a confession" or at best is subject to flip flopping the moment something triggers them.

Railing about the deficit and debt? They are the ones that make them skyrocket whenever they are in power because they need to make up for the losses in revenue caused by tax cuts for the rich.

Being pro-business in general and pro-corporations in particular? Well, yes, unless Coca Cola puts out an ad they don't like or they make some other meaningless business decision they don't like.

Being against powerful pedophiles to the point of succumbing to QAnon conspiracies about the topic because gotta protect the kids? Oh, whoopsie, that stopped being the case when they finally realized Trump is definitely on the Epstein list.

Christian values? Not if the Pope triggers them. Being against big government? Not if they can put out federal agents to police the cities they don't like. Being against illegals? Welllll, but what if the 1% could get extra dollars by exploiting them first.

So on and so forth.

[u/Sevsix1 → u/Equivalent-Role4632]

I know a few MAGA people and I have spoken to a lot of them (both Americans and non-Americans) and during that I tend to speak politics to them since I am somewhat of a political chameleon (liberal-conservative, basically liberal with some conservative beliefs) so I employ the Socratic method on them a lot, my views are explained by me actually speaking to them so let me explain a bit why it seem that they don't make sense

they don't make sense because the MAGA crowd have different factions that have different beliefs, to mention a few the pro-Israel faction, the White identitarian (itself a reaction to diversity pushed by companies due to the democrats pushing blackrock to adopt a pro-diversity policy or the dems would not give blackrock the pension fund to manage, if the dems never did have such requirement then the white identitarian movement would never have gotten that big) the isolationists, the China hawks and the Christian nationalists are all separate groups that is just operating under the same umbrella,

for example there are MAGA people that support Ukraine because they perceive (correctly in my opinion) that russia is one of the big enemies of the US, there are MAGA people that believe that they should abandon Ukraine to its fate to pivot toward China to protect the microchip that TSMC makes, the pro-Ukraine tend to fall into 2 (or 3) camps,

1. 1 camp is the support Ukraine to maintain the position of Malacca strait as a necessary transport route to China so that China cannot use Ukrainian wheat fields to grow wheat/rice and then transport the food to China using the trans-siberian railway, they tend to view russia as a threat to Europe and the US by the Existence of their nukes

2. the other group believe that if they cut out the military aid and leave Ukraine to their fate then China and russia would eventually go to war between each-other to maintain/increase their influence in the region which mean that taiwan is safe while russia and China battle it out

3. the third camp is minuscule compared to the other 2 groups but that group is essentially just the red-blooded AMERICANS that see a million russians dead, becomes happy and think it is a good start since killing communists are a good decent thing that every red-blooded AMERICAN should do for breakfast! (think early r/MURICA but uninroically), they tend to think like that because the russian state never denounced communism so they are pro-communism and the phrase "communism are an enemy of me" sums them up pretty well, the gamer part of that tend to quote Liberty Prime quotes (to be fair Liberty Prime have a bunch of amazing quotes)

the base is also split about Israel, most of the groups tend to be anti-aid to Israel and the only ones that support aid tend to be the Christian nationalists since their books talks about how every Jew need to return to Israel to trigger the end times, the isolationist faction and the White identitarian factions are strongly opposed to aid to Israel for obvious reasons. the libertarians tend to be quiet about it but a lot of them dislike the aid since it comes from their taxes, the pro-military (I would not use the term militarist per se, they are a lot more isolationist for that term, big stick ideology is probably the closest one that I know of) tend to be okay with aid since Israel develop new military tech which the US benefit from but I have seen some of them grumble about aid to Israel

you even have pro-gay marriage people in the umbrella

TL;DR the MAGA umbrella is wide, there are groups that are both opposed to x and in support of x, it is in many way similar to Theodore Roosevelt when it comes to the size of the party as they have so many positions depending on what part is in charge of the party at the time

[u/Equivalent-Role4632 → u/Sevsix1]

No, they are not divided into different groups just because a few differ on some issues.

It's all about privilege. They are not idealist in any way they just want to maintain their position in society which is being on top of it. They are born with this privilege and everyone is a threat to it.. They could be the biggest losers on the planet. Terrible husband, dead beat dad, can't hold down the most basic job, but as long as they can maintain their position in society they can hold their heads up high. No illusion broken here i'm still the man, no need for self improvement.

Incels are the exact same way. I'm not the problem, women are. All of this they might differ a little bit on certain issues doesn't change the overall issue they all have in common. It's all about privilege.

[u/Sevsix1 → u/Equivalent-Role4632]

you clearly don't understand the dynamic of the trump crowd because you are using an academic or left-wing view of the world both of which is notoriously bad to actually understand real life mechanism, I used to be the same as you before I once day decided to ask the other side and when you do that you realize that the modern academic view is severely flawed and then you have a choice go the "academic" way and force the opinions of the whole group into a bunch of neat camps so that your precious academic view still is coherent when in reality your theory is basically astrology but with political terms instead of stars or actually get to understand them which is the most difficult thing you can do in your life since everything that you worked with for 10 to 40 years essentially goes down the drain which does hurt, I had to throw away like 10 years of my "work" because everything was incompatible with the trump crowd, eventually I managed to discern different groups among the trump supporters, of course I believe that the right wing is likely going to take over in a few years because the left-wing crowd does not understand anything about the trump crowd because they are using tools that was developed to understand the conservatives of the 1980 to the 2000 while trump's crowd is operating on 2025 principles, for example trump was the first mainstream politician that had a LGBT flag on the podium, sure it happened before the crazies in the T part of that flag revealed their complete mental illness to the public which made the trump supporter lose a lot of trust toward that part of the crowd, they still like the gay, the lesbian and the bisexual part of the flag but they have rejected the crazy part of the flag, a bit unfair perhaps but it is what it is, you cannot have a bunch of crazy people screaming about putting children on hormone blockers and then not have a backlash, of course the normal non-activist transpeople gets the short end of the stick but the reality is that the vast majority of people only have 1 child and essentially castrating children before they have gone through puberty is too much for most people (which is one of the most common side effect of transitioning) since you would essentially end the blood line of a lot of people

this is basically how the majority of the trump people view the situation; the fact that the left don't understand the position is going to lead to a world that is controlled by people that would not be kind toward left-wing people, I don't like it but it is what it is, me screeching about it does not help, I'm luckily not a trans-person so I would not get genocided (maybe when they comes to bisexuals but I am rather "straight" acting so I am not scared too much, fear makes you illogical so I try to not freak out myself and other because one day I might be forced in the closet once again

[u/Equivalent-Role4632 → u/Sevsix1]

You sked the other side. See this is the problem you have. You actually buy in to what they are saying even though it's absolute gibberish which we've already covered in this thread.

And now you are here pretending to know better then everyone else because you talked to them and bought in to their bullshit instead of just seeing them for what they are. This might be the conservative side of you shining through thinking you know better then everyone else.

And i don't fear them. I pity them.

[u/Sevsix1 → u/Equivalent-Role4632]

and you are a fool to not even try to understand them, the reality is that everybody view themselves as the hero in their own story, nobody wake up and go today I am going to be a villain, you appear to have no intention to understand them, and you are also engaging in us vs them view which the meme comic with the text our blessed home land compared to their barbarous wastes is perfectly suited for

[u/Equivalent-Role4632 → u/Sevsix1]

But i do understand them. 10 years now we've all been looking at them and we all know what they are about. All except you who wants to fraction them into more groups making them more complex then they are.

Like i said they all have something in common that you don't want to see. And now here you are calling me a fool.

And incidentally they are all conservatives. So is Trump. It's just he's more blatant about it. You are essentially trying to tell me that you are more complex then i think. Well keep telling yourself that big boy while you try and sound clever.

[u/Traubentritt → u/[deleted]]

Thats because Israel HAS to exist in order for the Rapture to happen.

Some if not the largest donors to Israel (private) are evangelicals, because as mentioned above: No Zion, No Rapture.

[u/adorablefuzzykitten → u/Didsterchap11]

You are speaking for the current mode of American conservatism, which has zero relation to both conservatism and American. They just like the sound of the name so they took it. A bunch of white guys who do not want fair elections if it means they might lose.

[u/Junior-Ad2207 → u/adorablefuzzykitten]

Nixon? Reagan? Bush Jr?

All of them behaved the same way. How far do I have to go to find that mythical real conservatism and America?

[u/adorablefuzzykitten → u/Junior-Ad2207]

Correct Answer: Goldwater.

[u/Few_Ad6516 → u/Didsterchap11]

Well, under the Marshall plan the US did give Norway 3billion usd to rebuild the country and the economy, some gratitude further down the line would be useful.

[u/Junior-Ad2207 → u/Few_Ad6516]

During WWII the USA happily traded with Nazi germany.