r/europe • u/sonovebitch • 3d ago
News EU ChatControl 2025 | Another Czech MEP (Independent) will vote against
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u/zuhlz 3d ago
I am from Denmark, one of the front runners for this shit show. I will continuously harrass our government over this daily with emails.
Plus funnily enough, our media here is completely radio silent on this topic. Almost as they don't want the public to know, because it would be shot down instantly by the public.
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u/DevilSauron Dreaming of federal 🇪🇺 3d ago
Wouldn’t it be more successful to harass the media with emails, then? Perhaps with examples of other European media outlets already writing about it (as is happening here in the Czech Republic, for example).
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u/Hishamaru-1 2d ago
They are radio silent in Germany too. Its so frustrating. Wasnt there an EU petition against this or sth?
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u/RicoLycan 2d ago
In The Netherlands too. When I talk to my tech-savvy friends an colleagues about this they look at me surprised. They never heard about it or knew about it and they the surprise emotion makes place for disgust and anger.
I think there is a reason why it is not being talked about publicly. Luckily our MEPs are opposing.
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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 2d ago
If this goes through just make bots that will make accounts that will spam their accounts. They get to suffer, the systems to trace chats suffer, and they suffer, again cause fuck em.
/s if the mods ask.
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u/D34dhead 3d ago
Even the russian stooges like Dostál are against this.
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u/whateveridgf 3d ago
Honestly makes sense, sure they are pro mass surveillance, but only if it's Russian. This would mean that their far right groups are more closely monitored too, making it harder for Russia to influence European people.
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u/u_3WaD 2d ago
As someone who's still undecided about who to vote for in the upcoming Czech elections, I would like to know more about Stačilo's Russian ties. Do you mind sharing where they mention it?
I want to ensure that I'll select someone with no puppet master, neither from east nor west, with our country as their top priority. Maybe there's nobody like that, but I am also open to your opinion.
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u/ConnectAttempt274321 Europe 3d ago
I mailed a few Spanish MPs from PP and PSOE and none answered.
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u/HistoricCthulhu 3d ago
I emailed every single Croatian MEP.
Only one from Možemo (greens) answered back and said he won’t support it.
Rest are silent. Even ones from SDP whose party is officially against it. But that is actually not that suprising since SDP members can be backstabbing even to other members of their own party.
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u/hamstar_potato Romania 2d ago
I mailed all my Romanian MEPs 3 separate times with days in between. No responses.
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u/Desperate_Golf7634 2d ago
The fact we have to rely on radicals to vote against radical legislation is pure comedy.
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u/Mean_Wear_742 3d ago
In Germany the far right party AFD will complete vote against it. With is great But it angers me that no other party especially my own the „liberals“ say something about it.
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u/Filias9 Czech Republic 3d ago
His political affiliation is similar. Although I think that most CZ representative will oppose it.
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u/Mean_Wear_742 3d ago
I hope so. Is also most likely against our constitution in Germany but who cares about annoying stuff like that. :)
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u/M8gazine 3d ago
In Finland, they did start "looking into the constitution" in regards to certain paragraphs about privacy. I don't think they're actively attempting to change it yet though.
Not that it matters, since IIRC EU-level laws override member states' laws anyway, even if they were written in the constitution.
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u/vuorivirta Finland 2d ago
Now news is Finland's official desicion: oppose. https://www.is.fi/digitoday/art-2000011460584.html
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u/BillyWillyNillyTimmy Niedersachsen (Germany) 3d ago
There are state actors that will work towards changing European constitutions or find loopholes so that they add big brother surveillance
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u/Mean_Wear_742 3d ago
And once it’s there it will expanded.
and a state that carries out house searches and mass police operations for memes and "1pimmel" I do not trust with such a thing
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u/Shameful_Bezkauna 2d ago
It is directly against the constitution in Latvia and Lithuania but the governments don't give a shit.
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u/Schnorch 2d ago
Chat control is also pretty clearly against the german constitution. That's why it would be very interesting to see what the Federal Constitutional Court would do if someone took it to court. Especially if the ECJ let it pass.
The Federal Constitutional Court has already opposed the ECJ once, and that almost led to a crisis when the EU imposed sanctions on Germany as a result. In the EU's view, the ECJ always takes precedence over national courts. But is that really acceptable when it comes to our constitutional rights?
In my opinion, the Federal Constitutional Court should not simply be overruled on something that so deeply infringes on the fundamental rights of German citizens. That would render our constitution practically worthless, because our highest court would be disempowered by a court abroad.
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u/Kitane Czech Republic 3d ago
Mhm, while I am not picky about votes against this atrocity, the MEP in question does not deserve any praise.
Ondřej Dostál has been kicked out of Moldova in 2025 for being a threat to their national security.
He is one of the leaders of our most pro-Russian, anti-EU, anti-NATO, anti-West, anti-democracy party on the Czech political spectrum, a hodgepodge alliance of the stalinist Communist party with a bunch of fascists and spineless sellouts, a functional extension of Putin's United Russia. These people are not just random lunatics, they fully intentionally support Putin genocidal policies and want to see the end of European project.
While our Autumn elections are going to be a shitshow with the oligarch Babiš guaranteed to return to power, we are hoping to keep Stačilo out of the parliament and deny Babiš one of his two potential allies. It is a small party, just above the threshold to get into the Parliament, so there is a decent chance we will pull it off.
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u/No_Fee1458 Czech Republic 2d ago
The morons from the current rulling coalition voted for it. Even the fucking red commie cunt voted against. Like theres no fucking way the ruling coalition is winning the elections now.
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u/Vedagi_ 3d ago edited 3d ago
"We as Czechia will vote againt this."
- PM
Source: (in Czech obviously) https://www.forum24.cz/sledovani-soukromych-zprav-lidi-to-nepripustime-odmita-razne-fiala-navrh-bruselu
There is more articles from different Czech news companies about this, however all of them (including this one linked) are the type of "you wont believe.." - but they cant fuck up quoeting what PM said, so don't worry about reading that.
If you want a reliable source of info from/in CZ, then it's "Čt24", with is founded by the gov. but it is independent, trustworthy, and biggest news source in CZ.
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u/Common_Brick_8222 Azerbaijan/Georgia 3d ago
respektuji
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u/Vedagi_ 3d ago edited 3d ago
Correct would be: Respekt
As "Respketuji" in this context would mean something like "i respect his decision" 😅
Edit: Why i'm ketting downvoted for grammar correction lol
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u/Common_Brick_8222 Azerbaijan/Georgia 3d ago
I mean... Dude is against the shitty law...
(Oh btw I've heard that apparently he is a pro Russian communist, so... The horrible person made a point?)
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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 2d ago
Whoever votes yes should prepare for their side, left or right - doesn't matter, to lose their next elections.
There's one things that will move young people and that is trying to restrict memes, porn, and communication with mates we never get to talk to IRL.
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u/No-Percentage7358 3d ago
This one is a pro-russian communist c*nt, but somehow he is right on this one, propably not for the right reasons, though...
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u/VatroxPlays 3d ago
Being pro Russian and communist seems like an oxymoron to me
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u/No-Percentage7358 3d ago
where are you from, if i may ask, in eastern europe it is the default for communists, they have stuck to the ussr propaganda of brotherly nation/panslavism/anticapitalist struggle. Where in the world do communists oppose Russia? I think even in Russia it self the communist party isnt opposed to the war etc.
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u/VatroxPlays 3d ago
In Russia no one is opposed to the war bc they'd go to jail. Not a very smart take. I'm from Germany. If you knew what communism is you'd know it's factually incompatible with Russia lmao.
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u/No-Percentage7358 3d ago
well you are absolutelly right that you cant speak up against the war in russia, but i doubt they would if they could. Also I think you take communism at face value and not as its every implementation anywhere ever. The way I see it, socialism and working class empowerment isn't compatible with Russia, but the implementation of communism as we know it for example here in Czechia (Police state, militarism, suppression of other worldviews, private property only for the elites, state managed mafia, mismanagement of basically everything, etc.) is very much what Russia represents and very much what the Czech communist party reminisces about. Which is well ilustrated in Germany by the difference between die linke and Sara Wagenknecht (modern socialists vs soviet style communists, in my opinion, you propably know more, please tell me if so)
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u/VatroxPlays 3d ago
Ah so 1 point already turned from fact to speculation, got it. If you think a police state and militarism are communism you should read what its definition is. Because those things sound like fascism to me. Yeah, you're right about Sahra Wagenknecht. However I don't think she ever said Russia is a good communist example.
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u/LimpCommand8052 2d ago
Sir please calm down
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u/VatroxPlays 2d ago
I'm not agitated ma'am.
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u/LimpCommand8052 2d ago
Oh well sorry for offending you in that case, I was worried you were denying the trans-ally status of comrade Stalin!
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u/VatroxPlays 2d ago
I never said Stalin was a good person, neither the ussr a good country lol. And I'm not offended, dw girl.
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u/No-Percentage7358 2d ago
Ok, let me prove my speculation with the power of the internet, The head of the Russian Communist Party Gennady Zyuganov is in favor of the death penalty, since the year 2000 is publicly promoting the reincorporation of all post-soviet states back into Russia, in 2012 called for "restalinisation", in 2014 supported the annexation of Crimea, etc. Anything after that I am not mentioning because you would question it as forced by the Putin regime. But from this alone his support of the government seems genuine.
I never argued Communism is defined by militarism etc., but that's always how it turned out and that is what eastern European communists stand for. Example: the MEP Ondřej Dostál in question went this year to Moscow to celebrate at the military parade on the Red Square...
Take it from me, person whose one family member had their farm stolen in 1948, multiple couldn't get better education than elementary, because their dad refused to enter the party, and one got shot while trying to cross the iron curtain. The ideals of Marx and Hegel can't be implemented without severe oppression which than completely outweighs the benefits. The best shot at equality and freedom is with social democracy.
To round it up, when I say communism I mean the regime, which is Russia-like, when you say communism you mean the ideology, which isn't Russia-like, that's where I think the confusion comes from.
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u/VatroxPlays 2d ago
If he supports those things then he ain't a communist, he calls himself one bc it'll probably get him more support. Simply bc of the fact that communism has a set definition.
And bc of that set definition, people like you who say communism always turned out bad are wrong, because communism was never achieved and I doubt will ever be achieved.
Oh well I'm very sorry those things happened to you, but honestly if you think it happened under communism or whatever ill have to disappoint you. You just said yourself that true communism how marx imagined it can't be achieved without a compromise, which is exactly why true communism has never been achieved.
I disagree that social democracy is the best system. Communism is just an ideology. That's what it means. Calling something communist when it isn't just makes anything to the left of fascism look worse.
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u/No-Percentage7358 2d ago
fair, agreed, I accept communism as an utopian dream, but I have to add that politicians pushing for communism scare me, because the consequences of "failed" implementation (or whatever it is appropriate to call the 20th century regimes in europe, given our dilema) are terrible, and more so if the "communists" like Dostál walk in the footsteps of these failed regimes.
On the other hand I am a fan of anarcho-communist communities, which give people the freedom to leave anytime and carry little chance of things turning ugly, Vienna has a few good ones.
Thanks for good and civil discussion, bye!
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u/radar_42 Czech Republic 2d ago
Former East Germany or Western Germany? Because if it is the latter and your parents or grandparents did not experience the 40 years of hell and oppression, your opinion is meaningless.
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u/VatroxPlays 2d ago
West. I'm not denying the oppression, I'm just saying the name it was given is wrong. Although it could be called an attempt at socialism, which is a pre-condition to communism.
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u/kaisurniwurer 2d ago
I must say I don't get it?
They approve for something that clearly NO ONE WANTS, and when they get an email(s) saying "Hey man, we don't want this", they suddenly switch?
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u/Scuipici Volt Europa 2d ago
An citizen european initiative can be open for this and then we will see how much people care for this. If it gets millions of votes, I'm sure a lot will change.
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u/cookiesnooper 2d ago
" we are generally against...buuuuut " 😂 it will get pushed through and we will never find the names of people behind it
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u/hyp_reddit 2d ago
i wrote to all french and italians politicians involved and no one bothered to reply. why my countries suck so much 😔
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u/Old_Passenger7 Serbia 3d ago
Go Europe, you can win this!!