r/europe 2d ago

News The Queen was a Remainer: her secret views on Brexit revealed

https://www.thetimes.com/article/c2c58bbb-acc3-47f4-8abb-2e525cf80bfb?shareToken=d1c13e783fa7dd36021f48cf693c7018
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u/[deleted] 2d ago edited 2d ago

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u/Eddyzk 2d ago

You're correct: she was known for he subtlety.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

Zing

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u/WinstonSEightyFour Ireland 2d ago

Zing indeed

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u/LovesFrenchLove_More Schleswig-Holstein (Germany) 2d ago

While unelected she still did a better job in representing her country than keyboard warriors like you could comprehend.

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u/Sir-Alfonso Sweden 2d ago

It’s probably a bot

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u/LovesFrenchLove_More Schleswig-Holstein (Germany) 2d ago

Wouldn’t surprise me. Many of those around for a while now.

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u/Sir-Alfonso Sweden 2d ago

I called one out the other week or so, and it commented that I gave a bad argument. Funniest shit ever.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 1d ago

It’s probably a bot

If it is, your mum didn't register

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u/Sir-Alfonso Sweden 1d ago

Hey look! There’s another one! 😂

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 1d ago

Hey look! There’s another one!

Said your mum.

Busy gal, eh

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u/Market_Foreign 2d ago

Or some currently elected leaders...

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable 2d ago

None of that is relevant to the fact that the queen attempted to be (publicly) neutral on political topics. This obscuring of her true feelings in an attempt to remain seemingly impartial is called being subtle

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

You fail to understand the irony of an unelected monarch having an opinion on a democratic vote

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u/Eddyzk 2d ago

Why shouldn't she have had an opinion?

Furthermore, it wasn't a democratic vote, it was a referendum. A question to the people that, in the UK, is not legally binding. There was no obligation to begin Brexit afterwards, especially without having set specific rules of what would constitute a win either way.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

Why shouldn't she have had an opinion?

You're asking the wrong question.

Why does a feudal system to select the head of a state by virtue of being the first person to exit a specific vagina in the correct sequence persist in the 21st century?

it wasn't a democratic vote, it was a referendum.

A referendum is a vote held to determine an outcome in a democratic process.

That Cameron failed to ensure the result was binding or not is irrelevant.

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u/Eddyzk 2d ago edited 2d ago

You're telling me to ask the wrong question. But I was answering your words.

It is relevant, because you said it was a 'democratic vote', which a referendum... isn't. It is a simple question.

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u/Picklerickistanicki 2d ago

Because without the royal family what does the UK have? We sold all our businesses to foreign companies.

The government isn't chosen. It's a freaking illusion. Let's have a vote every 4 years. For what? Conservatives. Who spend 4 years undoing anything done prior and blames Labour for the tax increases and doing it wrong. So Labour gets in and oh they do the same thing. Shot out of Eton-esque vaginas. So 4 years of looking after themselves and their stockholders.

I don't think democracy and communism exist these days, or the differences are getting less and less.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

Because without the royal family what does the UK have?

Democracy, my boot polish loving friend

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u/Picklerickistanicki 1d ago

Also communism, has the word community in it. Weird that what seems like it should be a a head figure taxing and sharing it out equalling among loyal hardworking subjects, is the exact opposite. Sounds like communism was the first failed form of socialism thanks to greed.

Democracy sounds like they wanted to do socialism right, vote, tax, share it about, make a great country, oh but then the 80s and cocaine and greed and there we go failed it again.

Money makes slaves to a failed system. Yay capitalism.

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u/Picklerickistanicki 1d ago

Then you didn't read my post. You don't have democracy there aren't democratic or communistic countries other than North Korea. Countries are capitalistic. End of. Whoever has the money fucks you over. We have other ways of fueling vehicles and have had for decades but no one wants to push the rich people out, and they lobby against progress. So democracy died a long time ago. But no you enjoy your choice of which channel you can watch. You are deluded and outdated.

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u/Illesbogar Hungary 2d ago

As it turned out, it wasn't very democratic.

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u/radikalkarrot 2d ago

No one elected you and here you are having an opinion on a democratic vote of a country that isn’t your own.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

But I don't receive millions of pounds annually from the tax payer and have tax funded armed guards, etc

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable 2d ago

99.9% of the voters are unelected but still have opinion, that isn’t what irony is

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

I'm not sure you understand the concept of democracy

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable 1d ago

How does democracy have any impact on if the queen is allowed to have an opinion but then not share it?

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 1d ago

But she did share it

A lot of people are suggestible and are raised to defer to the royals.

It's the same as North Korea, but the Windsors have better local and international propaganda

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable 1d ago

Is there issues with a monarchy? Yes

Is the queen having an opinion on brexit an example of one of those failing and a failing of democracy, especially when she was very subtle about it, aiming to show little bias for most of the time leading up to the vote? Nah

Is it anything like NK? No, it is an aspect of a constitutional monarchy where the royalty are closer to figure heads with power that can be removed at any moment if they overstep and not a dictatorship

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 1d ago

Is it anything like NK? No

Correct

The British monarchy is way behind the Kims

In North Korea, the 'best' child is selected as heir, not just the first born.

Also, I presume they don't waste their citizens money compensating the victims of sex trafficking.

Far more advanced

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable 1d ago

The dictatorship of NK don’t waste their peoples money?

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u/jakobkiefer United Kingdom 2d ago

you’re not subtle about being a virtue-signalling irishman either

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

What am I 'virtue signalling' oh wise one?

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

What's my nationality got to do with this?

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u/TiberiusGemellus 2d ago

I don’t know I just thought that’s what you were virtue signalling. Otherwise I don’t know.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

I don’t know

That is evident

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u/TiberiusGemellus 2d ago

That’s obvious.

What’s funny is how we got & understood right away that you were Irish. Is it a spider sense sort of thing you think or are you just obvious?

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u/thegypsyqueen 2d ago

I mean common you just clicked his profile. Don’t act like you spidey sensed this.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

Funnily enough, my nationality has nothing to do with my dislike for funding in a bunch of German, Nazi loving sex offenders

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u/TiberiusGemellus 2d ago

Sorry I am just so impressed I got it right you’re from Ireland. It’s amazing like it is a spiedey sense, I knew it.

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u/hamtidamti_onthewall Bavaria (Germany) 2d ago

That's a very weird kink you have.

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u/u36ma 2d ago

If we left it to elections we’d end up with king Nigel Farage

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

That's not quite how it works.

Anyway, that's a new one from President Blair

You people have very little ambition.

No wonder Britain is turning into such a shithole

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u/DearBenito 2d ago

Brits complaining about “unelected officials” like the house of lords wasn’t a thing will never stop being funny to me

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u/Calo_Callas 2d ago

I think you'll struggle to find many republican Brits that aren't also in favour of abolishing the lords and reforming the second chamber.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

Aside from the fact I'm not British, you'll probably find that most anti-monarchists are also against the unelected upper house

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u/wittgk 2d ago

The rebuttal is simple: Her powerful symbolic leadership mattered much more than these trivialities.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

Her powerful symbolic leadership

Oh, so you're easily suggestible.

I'll DM you my bank details

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u/Bhavacakra_12 Canada 2d ago

Don't forget, she was also a tax cheat. I'd argue that was pretty subtle until the papers got leaked.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

No forgetting here.

It's trying to educate the numerous bootlickers is the issue

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u/Bhavacakra_12 Canada 2d ago

It's hard to break out of social conditioning after centuries of brainwashing.

Imagine having a "royal" family in the 21st century lmao

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u/MrRibbotron 2d ago

Canada flair.

Like it or not, they're your Royal Family too.

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u/Jeffreys_therapist 2d ago

Most of the people in this thread won't even be British