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u/nem_erdekel 2d ago
Yes, but how much fossil are we buying from India?
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u/pakeco 2d ago
China buys oil from Russia.
India sells oil to Europe at a higher price.
How great!
We're the best (see the irony)
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u/Rizn-Nuke 2d ago
I'm not in any way defending it, but with a middleman, Russia is at least making less money from the sale.
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u/og_mbx 2d ago
And we are paying more.
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u/Brave-Two372 2d ago
That's the price we have to pay for not having diversified our energy sources and making ourselves dependent on imports from barbaric countries. Really nobody else to blame than ourselves.
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u/Spackolos Germany 2d ago
How do you know this?
I see those claims made constantly, but never backed up, whem put under scrutiny.
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u/Vacumbot 2d ago
This. Buying through India greatly reduces russian profits. Unfortunately, at this time it is not yet possible to go fossil fuel free.
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u/FluffyPuffOfficial Poland 2d ago
What is 1 „shipment” in pipeline gas?
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u/DontSayToned 2d ago
Can't find it in the methodology but it looks to me like the numbers work out if pipeline flows are being converted into LNG-tanker-equivalents by energy content
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u/Several-Hawk-9135 2d ago
No EU country should be buying anything at all from Russia.
Every single euro given to Russia is a euro spent against both Ukraine and Europe.
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u/Panzermensch911 2d ago
As much as I agree with you considering there are Russian and fossil fuel company lapdogs in multiple EU governments thanks to massive finances and social media misinformation campaigns it's not going to happen.
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u/Beginning-Crew1842 2d ago
Recent moves by Ukraine seem to be limiting this a lot, though.
As in, blowing up the delivery infrastructure.
You can't lobby and veto an exploded pumping station.
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u/The_balt 2d ago
Maybe stop blaming politicians and wake up to the reality that it is not that easy for EU to diversify away from Russian energy. This is simple fact. Otherwise, it would be so easy to find and procure these resources from elsewhere at similar prices this would have already happened. Also, consider that the society as a whole is greatly impacted by fluctuating energy prices, so it is us who are the most interested in securing resources at adequate prices.
I am generally surprised how many commentators here are saying WE NEED TO STOP BUYING EVERYTHING RUSSIAN without having any understanding of how global economic ties work and how it becomes impossible to exclude major players such as Russia from global supply chains.
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u/Panzermensch911 1d ago
Maybe stop blaming politicians
I did not. I blamed traitors and their voters alike.
not that easy for EU to diversify away from Russian energy
There are plenty of ways to diversify especially thanks to renewable energy. Sure, it takes time and a will to go down that path of investment into infrastructure and divestment of the fossil energy company monopolies by democratizing energy - which would make those country (and the people) a lot less dependent.
And in some countries, those guzzling on russian pipelines, it's happening a lot less than it could be.
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u/CraftBearchen 10h ago
Yes, the renewable energy - it is working by itself. And no one needs any kind of resources to produce it. It is too expensive to produce it in the EU and you need energy and parts from abroad - or you buy it from abroad. Even if you are somewhat self-sufficient as a country in the field of energy - you still need other parts. These sanctions are dumb and making everything more expensive. Yet, still buying with russian origin. Get it straight, Europe is quite dependant from Russia. And fighting with stupid sanctions does not help.
These fuels are just an example, there are other loads of resources the EU is dependant on. Either go straight and do not buy anything - or else this bullshittery should stop. Loads of elements are delivered from Russia to the EU despite sanctions - and they rely on it. If Russia was tough, they would cut the delivery - and let's see what is going to happen overnight.
It is going to be the same shit as some American told you once to build iPhones in the US. The prices would not be affordable - and it is still not going to happen. For a few reasons.
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u/AccomplishedFront526 2d ago
And what about the secondary market ? Should an EU country buy a petrol product from Turkey or India , that is made from Russian crude or gas? What should be the sanctions and tariffs to such EU country? And if you buy from Russia , but donate 1/3 directly to Ukraine.. is this should be allowed?
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u/TinManSquareUp 2d ago
Nice info, albeit hard to interpret without reselling. You should add uranium to that list. No one can avoid rosatoms grip on the materials, esp. France.
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u/HammerIsMyName Denmark 2d ago
I want a comparison to pre-2022 levels - it matters if EU is buying 50% or 5% of what they did pre 2022.
Same goes for China and India. Their numbers have increased while EUs have fallen, and yet, the focus is on EU. If China wasn't backing russia, russia would have no capacity to continue the war.
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u/CraftBearchen 10h ago
And if China cuts the ties with EU, no more wind power stations would be built. And the energy we need will come? From where?
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u/NicoBator 2d ago
Shocked that EU is top LNG buyer.
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u/PanickyFool 15h ago
We have give more support to Russia than Ukraine since the beginning of the war.
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u/ChargeIllustrious744 2d ago
Yes, nice dummy statistics. First of all, it doesn't show any quantities. Second, it beautifully masks reselling...
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u/DasistMamba 2d ago
So, an ordinary Russian citizen cannot enter the EU in their own car, but a tanker carrying Russian gas can.
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u/Vacumbot 2d ago
Given kinetinė sanctions Ukraine applied to russian gazodoc and LNG, I expect our numbers to drop further.
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u/tirpitzCSKA 2d ago
EU one hand keeps buying gas and the other hand push poor Ukranian people to meat grinder. Hypocrisy?
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u/Whisky_and_Milk 2d ago
You should look at the volumes which EU was buying before 2022, and now.
Spoiler alert: in 2021 it was about 160 bcm. Now about 40-50 bcm. And mostly bought by the f*ckers who whine about EU supporting Ukriane. Checks out, eh?6
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u/ExecutiveAvenger 2d ago
Not the whole EU. We have a gas pipeline network and all the facilities related to it doing absolutely NOTHING, just gathering dust. A complete reversal of the energy policy is possible if you really want it.
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u/PanickyFool 15h ago
We should really stop funding Russia.
We give the Americans so much crap and "Trump is a lapdog of Putin."
But we are doing so much more to support Russia than the US supposedly is.
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u/Mateking 2d ago
You'd think Taiwan would be not on that list considering how much the Invasion of Ukraine is a very real showcase of how the invasion of Taiwan could go.
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u/SecretSquirrel10 2d ago
Does nobody else see Turkey on these lists? Is there some kind of pass for this militarist state to get away with purchasing huge amounts of oil products because it's in NATO ( no one can ever answer why Turkey is in NATO even though they hate the West). India has been hit with Trump Tarrifs of 50% but not Turkey!
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u/Beginning-Crew1842 2d ago
If they ever get rid of Erdogan, the path back to being more of a friend is wide open, which it would not be if they got kicked out of NATO.
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u/sambare 2d ago
More like "who's directly buying Russian fossil fuels", I'm afraid