r/europe • u/AlfredsChild England • 2d ago

News Reform takes shock 15-point lead over Labour as Farage dreams of winning power

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-shock-15-point-lead-labour-farage-power-3887857
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u/Warm_Pool8092 2d ago

Uk is going for the "fell for it award" next uh?

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u/spacemansanjay 2d ago

Respectfully I would say the UK fell for it a long time ago. I mean Murdoch started buying UK tabloids in the late 1960's. He was the one who decided to make Thatcher appear appealing enough to be elected. And he did the same for Blair and Cameron.

The politicians who in our lifetimes have done the most damage to the nation owe their careers to Murdoch. Without his influence they would be nothing, our opinions of each other would be softer, and the nation would be something very different.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say he could be the most influential man of the last century. I mean imagine if Fox News didn't exist. If The Sun didn't exist. If all of these media companies were run by someone with a different agenda.

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u/SwiftJedi77 1d ago

This is how we got here, it's always been the media that's the problem.

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u/spacemansanjay 1d ago

An ironic thing is that the USA recognised the problem of influence on their media and made it illegal for a Johnny foreigner to own a media company there. Murdoch got around that by becoming a US citizen, and then proceeded to cause more damage than anyone could have anticipated.

Or at least it was damaging from our perspective. It was beneficial from many politicians perspectives, which is why I think there is no desire from them to change how the media works. It's their greatest tool. Their policies and performance are secondary to public opinion. And shaping public opinion is just a matter of spending donors money.

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u/Ok-Sun-8754 1d ago

A certain segment of the media. 

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u/fishsticksandmayo 2d ago

As apposed to the other options that will definitely respect the wishes of the voters

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u/4materasu92 United Kingdom 2d ago

I hope we're not as gullible as the Americans, but after Brexit and our current hyperfixation on immigration, I haven't got my hopes up.

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u/PoiHolloi2020 United Kingdom 2d ago

This shit is happening all over Europe, it's not specifric to the UK. People here can point and laugh while the Wilders and Melonis get elected and AfD and National Rally continue to rise.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

I have a migrant hotel on the outskirts of my once quiet village.

Would you like to visit and see how life has changed?

My daughters friend (aged 11 at the time) was accosted by one of these men, she was asked if she would be his girlfriend, and he then showed her a video of him masturbating and ejaculating.

I will vote for anyone that will stop this nonsense. Including Farage.

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u/AlfredTheMid England 2d ago

You being downvoted and told that your problems aren't real by the commenters below is exactly why reform are going to win. 

When we have Farage as PM soon, people have no one to blame except themselves and their left wing arrogance

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

Yea it's weird. Some of the comments have been really aggressive?

I've voted Labour most of my life, including at the last election, but I value the safety of my children more than anything, and downvotes on reddit are extremely unlikely to change that

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u/SwiftJedi77 1d ago

Ok, that's fair. What specific Reform policies do you think will make your children safer or more secure? (I'm talking about actual policies, not soundbites)

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u/BaelorTheBless 1d ago

That's because most left wing people don't want to be called racist. They are that afraid of this one word. Look at how a little girl in Scotland tried to protect herself against a migrant who was harassing her with a camera and she was arrested for carrying a weapon. If this was a white guy doing it to a migrant girl, not only would the guy be arrested but the Scottish government would have pass reeducation reforms about how systematic racism is alive in Scotland.

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u/Badger_1066 England 2d ago

When we have Farage as PM soon, people have no one to blame except themselves and their left wing arrogance

No, people will have those who voted for Reform to blame once they realise that the party hasn't fixed anything and has actively made the country worse.

This is Brexit all over again, and the people of this country are too thick to see it. God, we're an embarrassment.

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u/AlfredTheMid England 2d ago

Did you not see my comment above on arrogance? You can stick your head in the sand, but you're going to be horrified at the results 

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u/Badger_1066 England 1d ago

You can stick your head in the sand, but you're going to be horrified at the results 

I never refuted them. What are you on about?

I said the people voting for reform are going to realise what a mistake they've made far too late. Just as they did with Brexit. These people falling for the same old tripe are objectively stupid.

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u/SwiftJedi77 1d ago

As will you

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u/The_Artist_Who_Mines 1d ago

Thanks for doing your part to ruin our country 🙂

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u/Admirable_Design_115 2d ago

No, I'd still blame the fascists that support fascists.

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u/AlfredTheMid England 2d ago

FaScIstS

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u/4got_2wipe_again 1d ago

This post would get you arrested if posted on X

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u/Grotzbully 2d ago

And why do you have this hotel? Because the Tories broke the system, so they can place immigrants in hotels which are owned by their friends and donors for higher prices so they make money. The issue aren't the immigrants, the issue is that the Tories broke the system deliberately. Reform won't fix that issue btw, why would they. If populists actually fix the problem they constantly cry about, they would have nothing else and nobody would vote for them. Farage is as pro immigration as the Tories are.

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u/RepulsiveBridge2018 2d ago

Did the tories break the system in every other country? Exact same thing is happening in Ireland, France, Germany, Italy etc

So if people want the issue fixed and the left, center and right cant/won't fix it who do you expect people to vote for?

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u/herbieLmao Germany 2d ago

Speaking for germany merkel, a conservative let the refugees in, causing the uprosing of afd

Its not the tories, but our equivalent. Each time someone talks about immigrants, weidel from afd is happy, an esch time someone doesn’t, she brings it up most randomly, even in completely unrelated debates

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 2d ago

No one "let them in". Were in Schengen, we have no closed borders.

If Merkel in 2015 had decided to close the borders (if that would have even been possible at all), we'd now hear about her burying Schengen and abandoning the south instead.

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u/herbieLmao Germany 1d ago

That was umgangssprachlich. Hör auf mir Vorlesungen zu halten, ich weiß das alles selbst

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 1d ago

Dann schreibs halt nicht so dass es wie der übliche "Merkel hat die alle eingeladen" wahnsinn klingt lol

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u/RepulsiveBridge2018 1d ago

Schengen isnt the issue. Ireland isnt in Schengen and we are still in trouble. The real issue that no one is willing to admit is the refugee bills need to be rewritten and limit the ability to claim asylum to within continents. Someone from Africa or the middle east for example should only be able to asylum within their specific continents. All of this goes away over night, no more legal nonsense dragging out for years, no more people smuggling, no more billions spent on hotels. Europe isnt ready for that big boy conversation yet though.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

I'm willing to give it a shot. I value the safety of my children much higher than being called a racist for voting for a fairly benign political party.

Farage is as pro immigration as the Tories are.

I don't believe you.

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u/Grotzbully 2d ago

Take a look at this guys track record. He was cosplaying as fisher, was in the fucking fisheries committee of the EU and literally showed up 2 times out of 30+ just to complain that the EU is ignoring the UK in fisheries policy. Or remember how he was cosplaying as a farmer despite him not being one?

M8 farages wife and kids have a German passport.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 2d ago

"I'm willing to give it a shot" funny how the same thing led to the rise of Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, Trump and many others. Did any of those make their country any better in your opinion?

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u/BaelorTheBless 1d ago

I swear to god you people are obsessed with WW2 that you're allowing Europe to turn muslim through mass immigration because the alternative is not wanting to go extinct. Sure hope the big line going up was worth it once Britain becomes an Islamic country through birth rates and immigration.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 1d ago

So, which country is becoming muslim and why is that a bad thing?

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u/GabrDimtr5 Bulgaria 19h ago

The UK, France, Germany and Sweden.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 19h ago

None of those countries are even close to "become Muslim".

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

Godwin, ignore

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u/Admirable_Design_115 2d ago

Its okay, your children will reap what you sow. You obviously know that. So by all means, go on and take the shot. But don't expect empathy for that.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

Absolutely. I am trying to leave the country for them in a better state than it is now, and I will do all I can to achieve that. Most of that is internal (teach them to be kind, respectful, generous and study hard etc), but some is political and the uniblob is failing them

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u/Iconic_Mithrandir 2d ago

LMAO. Just look at your own fucking track record. How has Brexit panned out for you? Worked out the way you thought? Made Britain stronger and made things cheaper?

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

I voted remain, that being said the UK is the fastest growing economy in the G7, and Germanys economy is in a death spiral.

Whilst I personally would prefer to be a member of the EU, I don't think it is a necessary condition to be successful - as evidenced by the fact the richest countries in Europe are not in the EU, and some EU countries are doing terribly.

But most importantly, Brexit is done. It is simply not a political issue in the UK any more. The only time I read about it is on this subreddit - it doesn't enter the national discourse in the UK in any way.

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u/Jonstiniho89 United Kingdom 1d ago

I always find it interesting how people on this sub fixate on Brexit likes its had some huge impact on everyone’s lives. In reality the overwhelming majority have seen very little to no change whatsoever. Covid was about 10000x times more impactful than Brexit

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u/Iconic_Mithrandir 1d ago

Everyone who understands basic economics knows you are wrong but it’s quite funny you can’t see it.

The UK Office of Budget Responsibility has tracked the impact thus far and has forecasts based on post-Brexit trade deals that have been negotiated.

Current impacts: 4% lower growth vs remaining in EU 27% reduction in exports trade 37% lower FDI Increased customs and import costs increasing consumer prices

Projections: 5-6% lower real GDP growth by2035 10% net reduction in investment

That is one of the most hilarious economic self-owns in modern history. Your attempt to conveniently blame Covid to ignore measurable negative impacts of Brexit feels ungrounded in factual reality

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u/Desperate_Golf7634 2d ago

Oh, you are so right! Time to vote for status quo and hope things magicly get better.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 1d ago

Maybe there is an alternative where you do not vote for the status quo, but instead vote for a party that is also not made up of populist extremeists? Just an idea.

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u/Desperate_Golf7634 1d ago

So who exactly? You think populism is purely right-wing?

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u/SwiftJedi77 1d ago

Can you outline which specific Reform policies you think will improve the lives of everyone in the UK? Or, when you say you'll give it a shot are you literally just going to bite for someone that isn't Labour or the Tories just for that reason - because that is objectively stupid. I'm not trying to be insulting, just pointing out a fact.

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u/GabrDimtr5 Bulgaria 19h ago

Stopping illegal immigration and deporting illegal immigrants will certainly be a big improvement.

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u/SwiftJedi77 19h ago

Yeah, that was a given. Which other policies do you like?

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u/MoneyForRent 2d ago

Your anecdotal evidence has completely rocked my world and I will also disregard all other evidence and vote out of fear and hate rather than what's best for the country.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

You do whatever the fuck you want? But I'll vote how I want based on what I see in my community. Thanks.

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u/forgothis 2d ago

Serious question did you actually go out and complain to the police and get the guy arrested or did you go straight to the internet to complain?

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

I wasn't there. The girl called her mum who detained the man until police arrived and arrested him.

All we could then find out was that he was charged and "moved". Despite the parish council attempting to find out, we have no idea if he is still in the country or even back in our village.

There are lots of other reported incidents, but I try and stay out of it, however the incident above impacted my daughter quite heavily and I am quite protective.

Thanks for the whole "go straight to the Internet" jibe though. Why can't people just be normal and respectful? I've experienced what I've experienced and all I get back is pure vitriol, it's weird

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u/pippin-bot_ 2d ago

What you experienced is a single example of a piece of shit human who did something horrible, was reported and then dealt with by the police. Now you think all immigrants should be deported.

It's worth noting that there are examples of behaviour like this from native people all the time, its hardly unique to immigrants.

Anyway, even ignoring that point, you've now used this one event as reasoning for voting for Farage his private limited company, Reform. He's a terrible piece of human filth with a terrible track record of corruption, lying, and admitting he wants tax breaks for the wealthy. The red flags go on forever with this guy.

The worst thing is, you're voting for him because he's anti-immigration, but he hasn't even said HOW he's going to deal with immigration - all he does is spout nonsense phrases with no actual meaningful plan. The Tories already tried mass deportation and got bogged down, spent hundreds of millions and didn't manage to deport a single person.

The point is, you're willing to fuck an entire country over because you had a single shit experience and havent actually bothered to look into the details of exactly who you are planning on voting for.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 1d ago

havent actually bothered to look into the details of exactly who you are planning on voting for.

I'm sorry but what evidence do you have of this?

Almost all of your post is made up. Literally every single sentence. Do better.

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u/SwiftJedi77 1d ago

Ok, so please outline the specific Reform policies that have convinced you they are the best option for the UK? I'll happily wait.

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 2d ago

How dare people notice shifts in circumstances directly impacting their daily life instead of completely basing their political opinion on abstract, sometimes questionable statistics. /s

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u/Badger_1066 England 2d ago

I mean, relying on anecdotal evidence instead of actual data is what makes people jump to the wrong conclusions. And, thus, make a situation worse.

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 1d ago

Theres anecdotal evidence as in "a friend told me...", and theres longterm personal experience.

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u/Badger_1066 England 1d ago

theres longterm personal experience.

Which can be biased. People see what they want to see and ignore the rest. It's called confirmation bias.

And long term or not, it's still anecdotal and has no bearing on real empirical evidence.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 1d ago

Ignore your eyes and do what the experts tell you. Got it.

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u/Badger_1066 England 1d ago

I mean... yes.

Eyes are fallible. Empirical data less so.

Trusting in eyes alone is what leads to a lot of science denial. Including climate change denial. You're literally choosing to be ignorant in the wider facts in favour of believing in your preconceived notions. "But it's cold where I live. Therefore, global warming is fake."

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u/SwiftJedi77 1d ago

Yes! Your eyes don't have all the information - by a massive amount. Basing a voting decision based solely on some anecdotal experience you've had in a small, local are of the UK is completely moronic.

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 1d ago

Which can be biased.

And statistics cant be? /s

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u/Badger_1066 England 1d ago

Of course they can. But large-scale collected data will always be more reliable than data from one source alone.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

He might. He might not.

What I am certain of is the uniblob will not.

I'll take my chances.

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u/FiVeIV 1d ago edited 1d ago

Anarcho-Tyranny

Anarchy for the ruling class Tyranny for you

The people who are harassing your daughters are allowed to thrive and terrorize community's solely to keep you from noticing what the ruling class is doing it forces your mind on the most immediate threat rather than distant and more abstract issues

If you have an issue with this you are completely unrepresented farage loves it, Tommy Robinson loves it so he funnel resources to Israel, labour loves it cause they are blank state type liberals and genuinely believe its socioeconomic and not a conquest fetish

welcome to late stage democracy

Tyrants surround themselves with foreigners

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u/hectorh 2d ago

Im very sorry if you are concerned for your daughter's safety. However, it's fair for people to question the authenticity of a random Internet anecdote.

I would also ask you to consider the bigger picture. The vast majority of immigrants are not opportunistic economic migrants. These people are generally fleeing persecution, poverty or war. Issues which are are only exacerbated by populist isolationist policies from parties such as Reform. Yes, they will form their little ICE that will provide some temporary feeling of security or retribution. But your local refugee center might not look so threatening when your police force are militarized, your children are conscripted or nearby villages are flattened. And that's not hyperbole.. its happening in Europe right now.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

The vast majority of immigrants are not opportunistic economic migrants

Doubt

These people are generally fleeing persecution, poverty or war.

I know France is bad, but really?

your police force are militarized, your children are conscripted or nearby villages are flattened

What's weird is the Internet generally thinks you are the sane one, and I am unhinged. What a load of nonsense.

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u/hectorh 1d ago

You're the guy forming your political opinion based on the anecdote of an unrelated 11yr old.

Nonsense?! It is literally happening on European soil right now. And further capitulations to Putin will only embolden. This is clear as day.

Take your point on France. I should have said "immigrants in emergency accommodation". Having said that, these people are literally crossing the channel on small boats.. put yourself in that position for a second please.

There's already a UK-France agreement in place but yea, effects unknown as yet. The UK will always be more attractive for immigrants. Not sure how Reform will change that and their absurdly vague policy on deportation doesn't inspire much confidence. And I guarantee that these incoming right wing parties will only worsen the root causes of migration. We'll see anyway! It's an inevitability at this stage.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 1d ago

Wow. Just wow.

You will thank patriots like me in 10 years for saving the country from oblivion.

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u/Sweet_Concept2211 2d ago

Yeah, before the migrants came along, there were no perverts anywhere to be found in the UK. /S

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u/Successful-Syrup3764 2d ago

I’m not pro Reform, but it is actually quite sketchy in some of these places, mainly because these places house almost exclusively males, most of whom are relatively young and can’t work. I totally understand why parents would be scared for their kids safety.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago edited 2d ago

Hahahaha my favourite of all the arguments!!!

"Because you have perverts of your own, therefore you must accept these foreign nonces"

You have them then. We should have a system where the pro immigration lot, get them in their community. Then you'll see.

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u/SwiftJedi77 1d ago

So is the issue that he was a migrant, or that he was a paedophile? Plenty of British people are also this disgusting, and plenty of migrants are not. That's not an argument against migration.

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u/The_Artist_Who_Mines 1d ago

How do I know you're a real person and not a russian account?

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 1d ago

I really don't care what you think

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u/The_Artist_Who_Mines 1d ago

Lol what's the pay like these days for sock puppeting

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u/Socmel_ reddit mods are accomplices of nazi russia 1d ago

/r/thatHappened

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u/Dr0me 2d ago

America has problems no doubt but your country is being taken over by intolerant islamists while you bury your head in the sand and call people racist for noticing it. What's that saying about people who live in glass houses?

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u/temujin1976 2d ago

Nonsense.

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u/4got_2wipe_again 1d ago

I have bad news for you, all of the Western World polities besides the Danes are gullible as Americans and Brits

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u/Desperate_Golf7634 2d ago

I mean, they voted labour and got fucked over. Whats the alternative?

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u/SecondSanguinica 1d ago

Tories were in power for like 14 years - country goes to shit, Labour finally wins election and things haven't changed, maybe for the worse if anything. What do you even expect people to do at this point other than start tossing protest votes to Farage?

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u/Mesonychia 1d ago

The UK has been falling for it for a very long time now.

Remember Brexit that would totally make everything better for the UK?