r/europe • u/AlfredsChild England • 2d ago

News Reform takes shock 15-point lead over Labour as Farage dreams of winning power

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/reform-shock-15-point-lead-labour-farage-power-3887857
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u/Grotzbully 2d ago

And why do you have this hotel? Because the Tories broke the system, so they can place immigrants in hotels which are owned by their friends and donors for higher prices so they make money. The issue aren't the immigrants, the issue is that the Tories broke the system deliberately. Reform won't fix that issue btw, why would they. If populists actually fix the problem they constantly cry about, they would have nothing else and nobody would vote for them. Farage is as pro immigration as the Tories are.

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u/RepulsiveBridge2018 2d ago

Did the tories break the system in every other country? Exact same thing is happening in Ireland, France, Germany, Italy etc

So if people want the issue fixed and the left, center and right cant/won't fix it who do you expect people to vote for?

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u/herbieLmao Germany 2d ago

Speaking for germany merkel, a conservative let the refugees in, causing the uprosing of afd

Its not the tories, but our equivalent. Each time someone talks about immigrants, weidel from afd is happy, an esch time someone doesn’t, she brings it up most randomly, even in completely unrelated debates

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 2d ago

No one "let them in". Were in Schengen, we have no closed borders.

If Merkel in 2015 had decided to close the borders (if that would have even been possible at all), we'd now hear about her burying Schengen and abandoning the south instead.

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u/herbieLmao Germany 2d ago

That was umgangssprachlich. Hör auf mir Vorlesungen zu halten, ich weiß das alles selbst

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 2d ago

Dann schreibs halt nicht so dass es wie der übliche "Merkel hat die alle eingeladen" wahnsinn klingt lol

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u/RepulsiveBridge2018 2d ago

Schengen isnt the issue. Ireland isnt in Schengen and we are still in trouble. The real issue that no one is willing to admit is the refugee bills need to be rewritten and limit the ability to claim asylum to within continents. Someone from Africa or the middle east for example should only be able to asylum within their specific continents. All of this goes away over night, no more legal nonsense dragging out for years, no more people smuggling, no more billions spent on hotels. Europe isnt ready for that big boy conversation yet though.

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u/BreadSniffer3000 Germany 2d ago

Yeah, I agree with that.

I meant Schengen in the context of the specific situation in 2015, when people were already queuing inside europe.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

I'm willing to give it a shot. I value the safety of my children much higher than being called a racist for voting for a fairly benign political party.

Farage is as pro immigration as the Tories are.

I don't believe you.

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u/Grotzbully 2d ago

Take a look at this guys track record. He was cosplaying as fisher, was in the fucking fisheries committee of the EU and literally showed up 2 times out of 30+ just to complain that the EU is ignoring the UK in fisheries policy. Or remember how he was cosplaying as a farmer despite him not being one?

M8 farages wife and kids have a German passport.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 2d ago

"I'm willing to give it a shot" funny how the same thing led to the rise of Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin/Stalin, Mao, Trump and many others. Did any of those make their country any better in your opinion?

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u/BaelorTheBless 1d ago

I swear to god you people are obsessed with WW2 that you're allowing Europe to turn muslim through mass immigration because the alternative is not wanting to go extinct. Sure hope the big line going up was worth it once Britain becomes an Islamic country through birth rates and immigration.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 1d ago

So, which country is becoming muslim and why is that a bad thing?

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u/GabrDimtr5 Bulgaria 22h ago

The UK, France, Germany and Sweden.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 22h ago

None of those countries are even close to "become Muslim".

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u/GabrDimtr5 Bulgaria 21h ago

They are on their way. All 4 have Muslim majority areas.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 21h ago

And Egypt has some places that have a majority of Christians. What is your point? Why are Muslims bad?

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

Godwin, ignore

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u/Admirable_Design_115 2d ago

Its okay, your children will reap what you sow. You obviously know that. So by all means, go on and take the shot. But don't expect empathy for that.

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

Absolutely. I am trying to leave the country for them in a better state than it is now, and I will do all I can to achieve that. Most of that is internal (teach them to be kind, respectful, generous and study hard etc), but some is political and the uniblob is failing them

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u/Iconic_Mithrandir 2d ago

LMAO. Just look at your own fucking track record. How has Brexit panned out for you? Worked out the way you thought? Made Britain stronger and made things cheaper?

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u/PM_ME_BUTTERED_SOSIJ Wales 2d ago

I voted remain, that being said the UK is the fastest growing economy in the G7, and Germanys economy is in a death spiral.

Whilst I personally would prefer to be a member of the EU, I don't think it is a necessary condition to be successful - as evidenced by the fact the richest countries in Europe are not in the EU, and some EU countries are doing terribly.

But most importantly, Brexit is done. It is simply not a political issue in the UK any more. The only time I read about it is on this subreddit - it doesn't enter the national discourse in the UK in any way.

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u/Jonstiniho89 United Kingdom 2d ago

I always find it interesting how people on this sub fixate on Brexit likes its had some huge impact on everyone’s lives. In reality the overwhelming majority have seen very little to no change whatsoever. Covid was about 10000x times more impactful than Brexit

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u/Iconic_Mithrandir 2d ago

Everyone who understands basic economics knows you are wrong but it’s quite funny you can’t see it.

The UK Office of Budget Responsibility has tracked the impact thus far and has forecasts based on post-Brexit trade deals that have been negotiated.

Current impacts: 4% lower growth vs remaining in EU 27% reduction in exports trade 37% lower FDI Increased customs and import costs increasing consumer prices

Projections: 5-6% lower real GDP growth by2035 10% net reduction in investment

That is one of the most hilarious economic self-owns in modern history. Your attempt to conveniently blame Covid to ignore measurable negative impacts of Brexit feels ungrounded in factual reality

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u/Jonstiniho89 United Kingdom 2d ago

Can you please provide a source for your figures so I can take a look? I’m not saying there’s been no negative impact economically, I’m saying that the average person has felt little to no impact on their day to day life. That’s just the truth

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u/Desperate_Golf7634 2d ago

Oh, you are so right! Time to vote for status quo and hope things magicly get better.

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u/Numar19 Thurgau (Switzerland) 2d ago

Maybe there is an alternative where you do not vote for the status quo, but instead vote for a party that is also not made up of populist extremeists? Just an idea.

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u/Desperate_Golf7634 2d ago

So who exactly? You think populism is purely right-wing?

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u/SwiftJedi77 2d ago

Can you outline which specific Reform policies you think will improve the lives of everyone in the UK? Or, when you say you'll give it a shot are you literally just going to bite for someone that isn't Labour or the Tories just for that reason - because that is objectively stupid. I'm not trying to be insulting, just pointing out a fact.

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u/GabrDimtr5 Bulgaria 22h ago

Stopping illegal immigration and deporting illegal immigrants will certainly be a big improvement.

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u/SwiftJedi77 21h ago

Yeah, that was a given. Which other policies do you like?