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Data Non-EU countries receive more funding from European Innovation Fund than 2/3 of EU countries combined

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

I understand Norway and UK - what Israel is even doing here, though?

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u/Su_ButteredScone 2d ago

They're often inventing or working on very cool technology, not even military stuff. Medical, general tech which benefits countries who invest in it.

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

There's plenty of countries working on very cool technology. Why i don't see any: Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Switzerland or USA on the list? Switzerland would make much more sense, if it's anything EU related, since at least it's a part of EFTA. And Switzerland is not currently engaged in genocide with a government run a by a guy pushing for war to stay in office.

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u/PatochBateman 2d ago

You seem to know nothing about the Israeli tech scene. You should learn before commenting

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u/Yufiyou 2d ago

i sadly know about israeli tech because my government buys their spyware

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

I'm willing to bet it's intertwined with both military and civilian settlement system of encroachment on Palestinian land.

What did i win?

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u/tamadeangmo Australia 2d ago

Why are you willing to bet that ?

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

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u/zapreon The Netherlands 2d ago edited 2d ago

Well, you're not. What I said is about that the mindset to develop a start-up is tied to the military, not that the innovation or funds is tied to the military.

If the military promotes a certain mindset that will promote development of start-ups, that is not something to cut investments to innovation that has nothing to do with the military.

Also, the EIB can easily evaluate what these companies are doing before deciding to invest. That is a necessary part of the process

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

Intertwined with military, is intertwined with military. Not sure what you're backtracking from.

I've asked about the degree of verification here: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1n3unvz/noneu_countries_receive_more_funding_from/nbh2byw/

Wonder how it works.

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u/zapreon The Netherlands 2d ago edited 2d ago

Intertwined with military, is intertwined with military. Not sure what you're backtracking from.

I'm not backtracking. You just have a perverse interpretation of what I said and pretend that I agree with that.

It is very difficult to argue that start-ups that have absolutely nothing to do with the military found by someone 10 years out of the military is intertwined with the military, yet that is what you are doing

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u/mlag000 2d ago

We don't care about their start up, we care about their war crimes...

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u/RedstoneEnjoyer Slovakia 2d ago

Buddy, Israel could be most developed country in the world - it changes nothing about the fact it is not in Europe and thus shouldn't be allocated such a massive share of European funds.

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u/joseph-cumia 2d ago

What making pagers that kill civilians in Lebanon?

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u/Minute_Tomatillo9730 2d ago

None in the level of Israel.

According to Neil DeGrasse Tyson there are two natural borders you can see from space. One is North Korea and South Korea (South Korea have a lot more economic activity so a lot more lights). The is Israel and its neighbours, because it's much greener from their irrigation technology compared to the surrounding countries. If this tech was so easy, they would have already adopted it!

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

I guess it's easier to have very advanced technology when you're being sponsored by both EU and USA.

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u/MrHomka 2d ago

yeah uae and saudis have no money at all

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

I'd wager they invest, including in Israel (when nobody's looking).

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u/zapreon The Netherlands 2d ago edited 2d ago

Israel's strong start-up culture is much more tied to the role of the military, e.g. cyber units, and massive promotion from the Israeli government than a few hundred million in funding from the EU. In the grand scheme of things, a few hundred million isn't much.

And that is what Israel excels in - innovation, not buying European tech.

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

So if it's tied to military, I don't think EU should participate in any sort of funding agreement - even if it's supposed to be balanced per saldo.

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u/zapreon The Netherlands 2d ago

So if it's tied to military

The companies don't necessarily create tech for the military. Moreover, the EIB of course decided which companies and for what tech they get funding.

However, Israel's start-up culture is fostered partially within the military by how it is set up. For example, some cyber units in the IDF form a very resilient path into big tech (like Nvidia) or start-ups

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u/Cute_Committee6151 2d ago

Or if you care about your people and not just about how to pull out as much money from the country as possible

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

Dunno if it's about care, i'm sure there are billions flowing in from richest countries though.

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u/Cute_Committee6151 2d ago

The same way as billions are flowing into all Eastern European countries

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

That are actually part of EU, provide massive benefits to other member states through shared market and don't engage into genocide. Just a slight distinction.

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u/Cute_Committee6151 2d ago

So then they should try to build up their R&D so EU can fund their projects.

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

Yup. In the meantime EU has plenty of countries not engaged in genocide with very good R&D record to choose our external partners from.

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u/Cute_Committee6151 2d ago

So then those countries should start being part of the program. And genocide? Must be the first one in which the population actually is rising while it is claimed to be killed.

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u/Piotrekk94 1d ago

Are those potential partners interested in cooperating? Are there actually that much potential partners with spotless track record? And Palestine is just in final phase of FAFO, they worked diligently to alienate any country that would be willing to help. Will cooperating with Israel be acceptable after they are done? If not, how much time must pass until it is?

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u/true-kirin 2d ago

its not because they have better irrzgation tech its because they destroy their neighbors thech and pump all the jourdain water