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Data Non-EU countries receive more funding from European Innovation Fund than 2/3 of EU countries combined

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

I understand Norway and UK - what Israel is even doing here, though?

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u/gasser 2d ago

They have also been an associate of these programmes since 1996. 

https://research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/strategy/strategy-research-and-innovation/europe-world/international-cooperation/association-horizon-europe/israel_en

Notably the EU issued a partial suspension of the involvement of Israeli based institutions in July in response to the situation in Gaza. You can read more about it through the above link.  

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

I'm confused. Is Israel participating in funding EU in a way Norway does? Or is that just EU funneling money one way?

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u/Stabile_Feldmaus Germany 1d ago

Israel has paid EUR 1.7 Billion since 2021 to participate in Horizon Zero Europe, the UK pays EUR 2.6 Billion per year for HZE and the copernicus space programme.

https://www.ftm.eu/newsletters/bureau-brussels-eu-funds-israel-defense-sector

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2023/sep/comment-uk-has-joined-eus-horizon-science-funding-scheme-hard

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 1d ago

Now these are concrete numbers. And I can assume, as someone posted in other post - both countries receive funding in the same ballpark?

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u/Impossible_Tiger4860 1d ago

They get less in funding than they pay, but they get a lot of other bonuses that come with EU Horizon - open partnerships, exchange, etc..

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 1d ago

The portal that someone else linked to shows they get "in the same ballpark" but indeed in absolute numbers it looked as if they're getting smaller amount.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1n3unvz/noneu_countries_receive_more_funding_from/nbi9kv6/?context=3

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u/Xseros Sweden 2d ago

Its a program which non-EU members pay into to be treated like EU members and then get paid back. This is NOT support or aid. Its money investing in research and startups.

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u/gasser 2d ago

To add to this,  following the link above you can go future to find all Projects Israeli institutions participated in.

https://cordis.europa.eu/search?q=contenttype%3D%27project%27%20AND%20relatedRegion%2Fregion%2FeuCode%3D%27IL%27&p=1&num=10&srt=Relevance:decreasing

If you go to each project you can also find a breakdown of all the involved institutions and exactly how much they recieved. The EU is very transparent about this.  

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

It's not being presented like that though. What are the numbers? Who paid what?

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u/UnPeuDAide 1d ago

Do you know why would anyone want to do that? Why would you give me money so that I give you money back?

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u/CommercialStyle1647 1d ago

Because they can now collaborate better with other European research institutions. Imagine Israel is trying to create a new medicine against cancer. It's now more easily possible to collaborate with researchers in Germany who are already working on it. You can collaborate with French researchers for the producing of the drug. And with researchers from the Netherlands you work together to test it. It basically allows for an more effective collaboration and sharing of knowledge to advance everyone.

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u/UnPeuDAide 1d ago

I see, thanks.

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u/gasser 1d ago

It's not zero sum.  

https://www.innovationnewsnetwork.com/horizon-europe-delivers-e11-gdp-return-for-every-e1-invested/57616/ 

Investing in research, like education health etc,  actually pays back more than it costs. 

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u/UnPeuDAide 1d ago

Yes but the money is zero sum. eg Norway can invest for research in Norway without giving money to the EU so that EU funds research in Norway.

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u/gasser 1d ago

Except that it's not,  these projects involve dozens of institutions across multiple counties,  without a common framework Norway wouldn't have access to the expertise these other institutions bring so the money would not go as far.  

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u/UnPeuDAide 1d ago

Yes, that is what the other answer said. But nothing in yours said anything about cooperation. It might just be a misunderstanding though, no hard feelings.

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u/BigBaz63 1d ago

i’ve never understood it, just nod your head like you do 

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u/CommercialStyle1647 1d ago

I just explained it to the guy before you if you are interested in an explanation.

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u/gasser 2d ago

A quick Google suggests that also contribute financially to the programme like the UK and Norway. 

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

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