The actions of Israel have terrible consequences, they are doing a genocide and they deserve to lose all power and support to commit it based on that, I agree with everything you say
And proportionality is dependent on the context. Israel has no better means to defend itself as Hamas is hiding itself behind civilians and civilian infrastructure.
Sorry, the English word is inherent (not a native English speaker, so I didn't remember the exact translation). But the word is used in the UN Charter article regulating the right of self-defense.
The Palestinian society support and at best tolerate Hamas as their ruler. They do not have the right to fight against Israel which is manifesting its right to eradicate Hamas.
The Palestinian society support and at best tolerate Hamas as their ruler. They do not have the right to fight against Israel which is manifesting its right to eradicate Hamas.
The Israeli society supports Netanyahu as their ruler. Does it result from it that everything inflicted on them is well deserved? I don't think so.
And what does it prove exactly? If now Hamas kills one million Israeli (80% of them being civilians), will it be justified by the fact that they "had to" in order to prevent more palestinian deaths?
And you can be sure that those people, whose family has been killed by Israel, will hate Israel and want to kill Israeli. It's just a cycle of hate and death, someone has to put an end to it
And you can be sure that those people, whose family has been killed by Israel, will hate Israel and want to kill Israeli.
And yet they have no right. And yet Israel has every right to kill every single one of their dear family and friend who sided with Hamas. Such is life. Fuck around and find out.
Imagine supporting the killing of millions innocence for the last few Hamas members. Absolute abhorent moral code.
I agree with fighting Hamas, I agree with self defense, I agree that Israël had the right to do many of the things they did. But it has become absolutely clear Israëls goal is far from destroying Hamas. Their goal clearly shifted to getting rid of any Palestine presence in the region. You're defending ethnic cleansing in the name of destroying Hamas, you're either complicit or being fooled.
You are far past defending. If it was defending I would still support it. You are closing your eyes and falling for the biggest propaganda if you actually believe this is about defending Israel.
Also wtf is Israel doing in the west Bank? Also defending themself? 100% delusional about what you are supporting. Either just admit you are supporting ethnic cleansing or get a reality check.
Israel has no inviolate right to eradicate Hamas or anyone else. Israel is a criminal state that is violating the UN Charter and international humanitarian law. By rights it should be kicked out of the UN and sanctioned until it complies with international law and ends the illegal occupation of Palestine. It certainly shouldn't be coddled by Europeans as if it is the apple of our eye and not a genocidal Apartheid state.
Israel was brutally attacked by Hamas and Israel has an inviolable right to defend itself. If Hamas continues its genocidal terrorist attacks, then Israel has no other way to defend itself than to eradicate Hamas. We should all support them in this.
Israel has been illegally occupying and colonising Palestine since 1967, and constantly tramples the human rights of Palestinians, it's a terrorist state that we should universally condemn and sanction, not support.
Coming from you this is hypocritical in the extreme, you were saying that we should support Israel unconditionally. We shouldn't, we should treat Israel like we treat Russia and North Korea.
No, we shouldn't, I've already listed the reasons why several times. Israel is the genocidal terrorist organisation, the fact that it's masquerading as a state shouldn't fool anyone that's paying attention.
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u/Jedibeeftrix 6d ago
why would this be necessary or good, when EUrope is furiously re-arming after taking a defence holiday for 30yrs?