r/europe • u/MacronLeNecromancer • 6d ago

Data Non-EU countries receive more funding from European Innovation Fund than 2/3 of EU countries combined

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u/tablakapatarei 6d ago

Do you understand what an inviolable right means? Hamas hiding themselves behind civilians doesn't take away the Israeli right.

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u/Myloz The Netherlands 6d ago

Imagine supporting the killing of millions innocence for the last few Hamas members. Absolute abhorent moral code.

I agree with fighting Hamas, I agree with self defense, I agree that Israël had the right to do many of the things they did. But it has become absolutely clear Israëls goal is far from destroying Hamas. Their goal clearly shifted to getting rid of any Palestine presence in the region. You're defending ethnic cleansing in the name of destroying Hamas, you're either complicit or being fooled.

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u/tablakapatarei 6d ago

Imagine supporting literal Islamic terrorists getting away with their genocidal terrorism. Absolute abhorrent moral code.

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u/Myloz The Netherlands 6d ago

? I explicitly stated that I not support them and do support many or the actions Israel has taken.

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u/tablakapatarei 6d ago

You explicitly spout Hamas propaganda...

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u/Myloz The Netherlands 6d ago

I think I found Bibi's strongest soldier. No substance just pure hate. Your ancestors deserved better.

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u/tablakapatarei 6d ago

I don't give a fuck about him. I do give a fuck about Israel's right to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist group..

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u/Myloz The Netherlands 6d ago

You are far past defending. If it was defending I would still support it. You are closing your eyes and falling for the biggest propaganda if you actually believe this is about defending Israel.

Also wtf is Israel doing in the west Bank? Also defending themself? 100% delusional about what you are supporting. Either just admit you are supporting ethnic cleansing or get a reality check.

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u/tablakapatarei 6d ago

Nah, you are spreading Hamas propaganda and undermining the Israeli right to defend itself against a genocidal terrorist organization.

Also wtf is Israel doing in the west Bank? Also defending themself?

No, what Israel is doing there is shit.

But this sort of nuance is probably incomprehensible for a simpleton like you.

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u/Myloz The Netherlands 6d ago

Ah so Israel is both ethnic cleaning and defending themself? Get a grip and see what is happening in Gaza right now is with the same motivation as what they are allowing to happen in the west Bank. The fact that they are letting happen in the west Bank should show you what their intentions are.

I held your position for a long time - but Israel has lost all credibility by what they actively support in the west Bank. Their reasons are clearly not defending anymore.

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u/tablakapatarei 6d ago

Ah so Israel is both ethnic cleaning and defending themself?

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it's not like West Bank Palestinians are innocent in all of this, but still, pretty much.

I held your position for a long time - but Israel has lost all credibility by what they actively support in the west Bank.

It's not like their actions in the West Bank are something new. So what happened that made you change your mind? I mean, Hamas is literally genocidal.

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u/Myloz The Netherlands 6d ago

I agree Hamas is genocidal - However, I also think Israel is highly likely genocidal. What changed my mind is the number of 'accidents', the zero accountability, not changing anything in their approach, the genocidal rethoric of many of their ministers, the completely disregard for human life from both the isreali government and the fanatic supporters that were 'on my side' (i.e. you).

The main event was not letting in any food into gaza for many months, and honestly, many other 'war strategies'. They are commiting war crime after war crime with no remorse. They act in such inhumane ways that I could no longer support them. It was clear for me that they are just 'bullying' the gazans, like they actively support 'bullying' the palestinians in the west bank. It is clear they want a final solution, which means no more palestine. I cannot support that, even if I completely understand and support the need to destroy Hamas.

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u/tablakapatarei 6d ago

But how else could Israel fight against Hamas which is hiding itself behind civilians and civilian infrastructure?

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