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Data Non-EU countries receive more funding from European Innovation Fund than 2/3 of EU countries combined

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 2d ago

I understand Norway and UK - what Israel is even doing here, though?

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u/zapreon The Netherlands 1d ago edited 1d ago

In terms of start-ups, Israel performs as one of the best countries in the world. Relatively far more unicorns than any European country, highest R&D spend as percentage of GDP in the world, massive infrastructure in place to promote innovation and start-ups.

The EU has close ties to Israel and also gets to benefit from funding Israeli innovation that aligns with its interests.

There are only few countries that are similar in terms of their level of innovation and start-ups, primarily the US, and they have got massive funding on their own.

There is a reason why e.g. Intel, Nvidia, and many other prominent companies have very large research centers (with large expansion plans like Nvidia) in Israel instead of random European countries.

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 1d ago edited 1d ago

There is a reason why e.g. Intel, Nvidia, and many other prominent companies have very large research centers (with large expansion plans like Nvidia) in Israel instead of random European countries.

Yes, that reason is: USA. Also mentioning Intel in same breath as nVidia is (sadly) laughable.

Edit: u/Timey16 can't even reply to people that replied to me, because sunshine above blocked me.

No, we most likely would have all of these - either invented by someone else or equivalent. These are not kind of inventions done on a spur of a brilliant mind in a basement, but products of monotonous research, trial and error.

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u/zapreon The Netherlands 1d ago

Yes, that reason is: USA.

So the US objectively does not sponsor these companies to set up research centers in Israel and in fact does give tax incentives to do so in the US.

How come this is because of the US? Do you have any evidence, or is that yet again pure speculation?

The simple good argument is that these companies can simply appreciate the extremely strong start-up culture in Israel. It is a country that especially per Capita obliterated any EU country or the UK in e.g. unicorns. That is not even up for debate, it is a simple fact

Also mentioning Intel in same breath as nVidia is (sadly) laughable.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that you won't see these companies rushing to set up massive research centers in Italy, but do so in Israel, along with massive investment in Israeli start-ups.

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 1d ago edited 1d ago

US for decades has supported Israel through investments, direct military assistance, political pressure and direct money grants.

Intel is a pretty much bankrupt company, in more way than one. It's not a good poster for Israel researchers - it'd be 20~ years ago (afaik it was Israeli center that pushed for Core architecture continuing Pentium III legacy and allowed them to ditch Pentium 4 dead end), but now i'm sure there are much better examples.

edit: since sunshine above blocked me i can't respond to /u/Mhabi2502 below

I'm very fine with existence of each and every country in the world and all ethnic and cultural groups that will it have their distinct or collective state representation. What i'm not okay with, are regimes engaged in genocide. I'm glad there are people in Israel that are also not okay with that. And i spit in the face of all dregs that try to whitewash genocide covering behind "he just hates xyz". Murdering innocent people is bad, persecuting civilians is bad, genocide is bad. Rot in hell, you pos.

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u/zapreon The Netherlands 1d ago edited 1d ago

US for decades has supported Israel through investments, direct military assistance, political pressure and direct money grants.

So nothing here that would prove that giant corporates like Nvidia or Intel in 2025 prioritize investment in Israel above many other places.

For example, nothing of the military aid supports this. As for investments, that's just part and parcel of having sound economic relations.

The biggest source of capital for all investments is from the US. Let's thank economic development in all of Europe on the US if having good economic relations is the standard for this

It's not a good poster for Israel researchers -

You know what is an even worse poster? Not getting this investment by giant corporates like Intel

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u/Mhabi2502 Bavaria (Germany) 1d ago

Can't you see this guy's undisputed hate towards Israel? Read his other comments mate, save your time