Cant you see this post in this format is designed to get exactly that response? It provides 0 context so we can all get outraged about the next thing.
Some one else posted Israels funding is actually suspended over Gaza. I dont know if that true but before getting baited into calling things. travesties, look it up and find some context.
There is no logical sense for Israel to be on that list, regardless. It makes absolutely zero sense. Israel shouldn't be involved in anything EU at all.
What the fuck? I'm talking about EU programs for EU. It literally says on their website:
What is being funded and how?
The Innovation Fund focuses on highly innovative technologies and flagship projects within Europe that can bring about significant emission reductions. It is about sharing the risk with project promoters and putting the spotlight on first-of-a-kind, highly innovative projects.
Since you're a geographical expert; is Israel within Europe?
Calm down my dude it is not good to be that outraged all the time.
You are reading a snippet on their website. You can always see if you can send them a message that you believe that phrasing doesnt accurately represent the program.
Israel probably negotiated with the EU and both parties saw value in them joining. I dont know what the terms of the agreement with Israel were. That is some key missing information that we'd need to evaluate if this is a good deal or not. But say if they agreed to pay 1 billion contribution to participate and then have a payout of 500 million. That would be a pretty good deal for us?
An other example is SAFE (security action for europe) program about weapons procuremen. Here Canada has joined. That is really advantagous for us because Canada has a lot of important raw materials that are used in weapons production. This way our companies get access to their raw materials and their companies can bid on our governments' contracts.
You will find a lot of EU programs where other countries have negotiated access because its valuable to them.
Norway is not an EU member but they pay billions into the EU budget for access to the European Economic Area.
In the end end Europe is just a word refering to the geographic area where we live. Diplomacy and relations between countries are more complex and fuzzy. Why would we limit ourselves to some good agreements with other countries because of the word 'Europe'.
Anyway hope you get some out of this. I put some effort into these words. If not, all good and I wish you the best.
You're completely missing the point, and it's most certainly intentional.
You are basically giving a fluff answer as if you are an actual EU spokesperson, while I'm coming at it from the POV of a European citizen. The EU obviously has endless initiatives that include nations from around the world, but that has nothing to do with the case we're discussing here, of Israel being the single non-European nation on a list of countries receiving funding for innovation development. Why does the EU have an innovation fund that they pay out to nations not in Europe? As I already pointed out, the fund describes itself as one aimed specifically for innovation within Europe.
And out of all non-European nations, why is Israel the one and only on the list? It's completely absurd that they opened up for ONE external nation, and that was Israel.
At the end of the day, your attitude is basically that words don't matter, rules don't matter, nothing matters; if the people in charge decide to present one thing, and then do something else, then that's completely fine, because of fuzzy and whatnot.
What rule? What law? That if a program has Europe in the name it cant have other participants outside of Europe?
It didnt open for one external particupant. Norway and UK are in there too. Did you know Cyprus is in asia and is a member of the EU?
Other people in this thread have already commented that this program doesnt just fund innovation. All partipants pay into it and then this funds supports innovation.
Perhaps other countries didnt want to join or maybe EU didnt think they could offer benefit. Idk.
I am exactly getting the point. You are a European citizen and you see big number and without any knowledge about whats going on (do you even know what programs are supported or on what conditions Israel joined) are thinking they must be stealing from me. If they get X then I dont get X. Reflectively you get baited into outrage.
Here I am just an average EU citizen trying to explain we live in a more complex society and world.
That if a program has Europe in the name it cant have other participants outside of Europe.
That if an EU fund explicitly says it "focuses on highly innovative technologies and flagship projects within Europe", then that means.. WITHIN EUROPE.
Norway and UK are in there too.
Norway and UK are in Europe, believe it or not.
Did you know Cyprus is in asia and is a member of the EU?
First of all, that's an intellectually dishonest statement, but more importantly, what does that have to do with anything? Cyprus is in the EU.
Perhaps other countries didnt want to join or maybe EU didnt think they could offer benefit. Idk.
Do you actually care?
I am exactly getting the point. You are a European citizen and you see big number and without any knowledge about whats going on (do you even know what programs are supported or on what conditions Israel joined) are thinking they must be stealing from me. If they get X then I dont get X. Reflectively you get baited into outrage.
Hahahah, that's completely wrong 🤣🤣 I'm Norwegian, so I would hardly benefit from this either way. I'm actually shocked you're so clueless on what it is I'm taking issue with, and why.
Here I am just an average EU citizen trying to explain we live in a more complex society and world.
The funny thing is that you have less of a clue of what's going on than I do. I actually went to their website and read some of the information there, which is how I found their mission statement. You don't seem to know a single factual thing about it, or how Israel got on the list. And yet you're going to explain to me that the world is complex... Jesus 🤣
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u/CubeOfDestiny Poland 2d ago
Norway and uk makes sense i guess, but israel? and so much? this is a travesty