r/europe • u/Kingsalyer_09 • 14h ago

News BREAKING: India emerges as Ukraine’s top diesel supplier in July, accounting for 15.5% of its imports. (Report) 🇮🇳🇺🇦

https://swarajyamag.com/world/india-emerges-as-ukraines-top-diesel-supplier-in-july-claims-oil-analytics-firm
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u/TokyoBaguette 13h ago

India buys cheap Russian oil then refines it and sells Diesel to Ukraine?

The spirit of Marc Rich lives ...

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u/ChrisTchaik 11h ago

This isn't exactly Sodom & Gomorrah.

Ukrainian tanks have been using Russian fuel (refined in Hungary) since the war broke.

There's no shame in it. Unfortunately, business precedes war. We still live on one planet & have to share the resources, no matter how tragic or ill-fit or ironic.

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u/imatranknee 5h ago

it's more proof that war is for money

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u/Alikont Kyiv (Ukraine) 3h ago

Ukraine was also pumping russian gas to Europe for like 2 years.

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u/Tiny-Spray-1820 5h ago

I heard ukraine blew up those oil pipes delivering russian oil to hungary and slovakia. So how is that going to help their effort?

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u/ChrisTchaik 3h ago

They blew it up after 2 whole years and probably after securing another arrangement from Azerbaijan or elsewhere.

Or maybe they knew it would cost them anyway but felt they had to make a nice statement.

Point being, unless you're like Slovakia or Hungary just sitting on the issue, you shouldn't be blamed if wars come faster than new pipelines.

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u/Littlepage3130 4h ago

They'll probably get their oil from shipping through the black sea. Of course that makes them vulnerable to shipping disruptions, but that's a similar risk to what Russia has with its shadow fleet.

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u/Aurorion 9h ago

Could be completely false too. This is from an extreme right-wing rag in India. Something like Breitbart.

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u/No-Tomatillo3698 12h ago

They are hypocrites. 

After fighting for their independence from a colonial power, they are now more than happy profiting from a war in which a colonial power wants to deny another country its independence.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 11h ago

Ohh really...did we stuff the diesel into Ukraine's throat ? When Ukraine decided to buy oil from India didn't they know where it was coming from? And you think US doesn't know about this. If we are hypocrites then the word hypocrite was made for the west and it's allies.

Trump wanted to stop the war and he has failed. They wanted a scapegoat and they have selected India for their failure. If India stops buying oil the per barrel price goes to 150$ and that would profit the American oil companies. But then Russia will sell its oil at an even cheaper price to China who will sell more cheap stuff in Europe and further dominate the market.

This was the reason why previously there was a mutual understanding that India buys the cheap oil to keep the global and Russian oil prices in check. Only if Europe understood this you leaders wouldn't have to run to white House every weekend.

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u/DryCloud9903 8h ago

I think Europe does understand that - why there's not really been "let's sanction India" chatter among European politicians.

What they are though, is chicken. Or rather held at gunpoint by a madman in the US. Why else would EU (on paper) agree to extortion with the trade "framework"? Because all roads lead to Ukraine right now. And trump is using that to strongarm every politician in Europe to all kinds of hipocricy and bad deals for Europe - just for the promise of sold aid to Ukraine and pinky swear of support for peacekeeping coalition. It's a just cause - but a very shit position to be in

(I'm by no means saying European politicians aren't hypocrites. Just that there's some layers of difference between US and Europe at present, in this case, and "West" as a concept is really distorted and not-unified right now)

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 8h ago

Let's be honest everyone is a hypocrite in the right way. Everyone is looking for their profit. Donald Trump coming up and shaking things are saying only I am allowed to make profit rest all will have to what's left is not gonna work.

And I totally agree with you that Europe has distanced it from this whole India's war campaign run by Peter Navarro. Europe should stand up and negotiate with Putin. Just like in India we have a clear understanding that a peaceful relationship with China is in the interest of the both countries and the region. Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish. I stand strongly against Russia's action of invasion but Europe should have stepped itself up to ensure that Putin doesn't have a reason to start a war.

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u/DryCloud9903 8h ago

 Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish

See this is where we disagree and you seem to misunderstand the conflict. US didn't expand NATO - countries who were subjugated and/or annexed by russia went above and beyond for NATO protection. Poland literally blackmailed US to be let in. Every Eastern European country knew already then, that what's happened in Georgia,Ukraine could've happened to them.

Your framing removes agency from those countries, and comes from russian propaganda. Also a reminder that in 2014 Ukraine was neutral, and few people there wanted  to be in NATO. Big lot of good it did to prevent russian attack, right?

putin doesn't need any reason coming from European countries. His goal is clear: restoring USSR/tsarist russia borders. And as someone coming from a country who was not long ago subjected by russian brutality, where in every family there's someone who was falsely imprisoned (in jails or mental institutions until being permanently damaged), sent to Siberian gulags (and often died there), or even murdered just for owning land, having a good education or daring to be critical of the regime. what russia does once it conquers land is ethnic cleansing - and it's doing that in occupied Ukraine now too, tactics have not changed. For countries that putin has his eyes on, resistance isn't pushed on by anyone - we're more than aware that another russian occupation could mean extinction.

russia doesn't get to dictate how other countries choose to go forward. And their failure in Ukraine is proof of that.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 8h ago

I would believe your words more since the conflict belongs to your region. My words were not put in the right spirit. I meant Europe should create military and diplomatic deterrence against Russia without the help of US. The world cannot afford another war in Europe.

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u/DryCloud9903 8h ago

This we can agree on - Europe as a whole should become capable to deter on its own merit & military strength. The changes are happening, but not equally everywhere (North/South divide), and not fast enough (what began in 2022 should've started back in 2014). 

That would not only grant us deterrence from putin or anyone succeeding him in the kremlin, but also more capability politically to have differing stances from US. Especially given what's happening there now.

I appreciate your openness to question your previous statement.  You may be interested in this video regarding that subject, created by a specialist in fighting disinformation: https://youtu.be/7-ni15vB7Nw?si=7HNjJ0nzKpgwufhH

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 8h ago

Well every conflict has deep history which often gets shadowed and the real origin of the issue is never understood by people living far away. We have experienced this pain when people in the West show little understanding of India's problem with state sponsored terrorism from Pakistan. The only way out is we respect each other's insecurity and have an open mind.

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u/DryCloud9903 7h ago

I'll be the first to admit that I do not know nearly enough about the conflict(s) between India and Pakistan to truly understand the causes. And in instances like such, I often tend to withhold any opinion beyond "I hope it gets resolved soon with as few casualties as possible, everyone retaining their sovereignty", and not voice opinions or 'taking sides' before putting in at least tens of hours in research. What I mean is that while I'm aware it was separatist attacks that started the recent conflict, that I don't understand the deeper historical past or how much linked to governments the initial spark was.

If there is an English language source you have that you've felt explained it well in a non-biased way, I'd very much appreciate it.

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u/Kingsalyer_09 5h ago

Ukrainians had faced so much cruelty from the Russians in history
One question I want to ask you, IF Ukraine want to stop Russia, then why doesn't Ukraine government work on the development of nuclear power weapons? , If Ukraine had nukes, then Russia would never have invaded Ukraine's territory in from first place. I mean Nukes weapons had the power of peace despite your government's belief that they can join NATO and get army help, which is pure illusion nowadays because NATO don't want a direct fight with Putin.

At the end, it's reality, No Country wants direact involved in the Ukraine-Russia.
And everyone is selling weapons and oil, earning profits.
IF Ukraine had Nukes, then this situation would never have happened, and I would blame your government for not working on it.

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u/DryCloud9903 5h ago

Are you aware of the Budapest memorandum?

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandum-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184

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u/Kingsalyer_09 5h ago

Ukraine Give up all Nukes to Russia despite its cruel history on Ukrainians. Also, trusting America is the biggest mistake. Once, American political scientist Henry Kissinger said, "To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend of America is fatal". Budapest memorandum: One piece of paper will never protect Ukraine’s sovereignty.

What now your government believes that US TRUMP will solve the problem despite a Warm welcome to Putin in Alaska and peace trade in exchange for Ukraine's territory.
I suggest that the Ukraine government still has time to withdraw from the NPT Treaty and develop nuclear power.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 3h ago

That would be too big of an escalation ladder and will only make Russia more insecure and will go for full invasion before Ukraine can think of making a nuke.

Nukes aren't the answer to all problems. Pakistan thought the same for a long time till recently they had to fight a conventional battle and they realized they have loopholes to fill.

There is a range of deterrence one could create in conventional warfare including cyberware fare. But the most important thing is for Europe to unite and come together. There is a very strong division between the eastern European vs the central European countries.

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u/Kingsalyer_09 11h ago

No one is forcing Europe and Ukraine to buy Oil from India. They are willing to purchase and they know the real source Russia. Who are the REAL HYPOCRITES now

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u/Amazing_House3188 11h ago

Both that's called realpolitik

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u/Eric1491625 11h ago

They are hypocrites. 

After fighting for their independence from a colonial power, they are now more than happy profiting from a war in which a colonial power wants to deny another country its independence.

There is no hyprocisy.

India does not blame and vilify countries that merely traded with Britain during colonial times. Now India expects to be treated the same. It is pretty consistent.

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u/No-Tomatillo3698 11h ago edited 10h ago

Nonsense. 

When through years of struggle you have gained independence from a colonial power and now support another colonial power to deny another coutry ITS independence, you are a hypocrite. 

Also hypocritical: India acts as if it plays no role in this war, it pretends to be neutral. 

Meanwhile they are cynically profiting from this war by buying up cheap oil. They have Ukrainian blood on their hands and are a big factor in the continuation of this war. 

They deserve to be villified and they deserve all the tariffs. 

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u/Eric1491625 10h ago

Also hypocritical: India acts as if it plays no role in this war, it pretends to be neutral. 

India is neutral. Maintaining normal trade relations with both sides is neutrality.

They have Ukrainian blood on their hands and are a big factor in the continuation of this war. 

Are all countries that had trade with the USA responsible for the death of every Iraqi and Afghan? In that case, every country, save for perhaps North Korea, has Iraqi blood on their hands, since they traded with the USA in the 2000s.

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u/Successful_Pace_1159 10h ago

Nonsense

Ukraine is not being forced to buy diesel for India tho?

Ukraine have Ukrainian blood on their hands and are a big factor in the continuation of this war and they deserve to be villified and they deserve all the tariffs for it

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u/GUYABOVEMEISACLOWN 11h ago edited 11h ago

What is hypocritical is the West propping up Pakistan against India and then expecting them to stick up

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u/RussBot10000 11h ago

India is loyal to russia as india wouldn't exist if not for russia. Look up the time the USA sent a nuclear strike group to attack india and help pakistan win the war.

Indians are never gonna forget that shit. Western powers if they had their way would of had india subjugated by pakistan.

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u/DisasterNo1740 11h ago

My favorite is when they use US support for Pakistan as justification in response to India being called out for their strong support for Russia.

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u/RussBot10000 11h ago

I mean the USA was going to nuke india and help pakistan win the war. Thats a pretty huge thing.

The russians saved india.

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u/DisasterNo1740 11h ago

Yeah it was pretty bad, just like it’s pretty bad to actively support an imperialist aggressor state that engages in genocide.

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u/Bowmic 11h ago

Instead of pointing fingers at others why don’t NATO puts boots on the ground and help Ukraine?. Or EU/US could couple stop total trade with Russia. It’s shameful that west can’t handle their own problems and drags others into this mess. 

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u/DisasterNo1740 11h ago

Nobody is being dragged into it, it's just the west acting in its own interest if they pressure India. Something Indians also always use as a justification, just doing what's in their own interests.

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u/Stock_Outcome3900 3h ago

"In my own interest" isn't a justification to kill the competition in the market by sanctioning every competitor.

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u/DisasterNo1740 3h ago

Yep you frequent Indian subs. I get it man, just admitting your country is hypocritical just like the “evil westerners” is difficult.

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u/Stock_Outcome3900 3h ago

Of course I do, and the "evil western" is lacking braincells here to understand what in my own interest means.

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u/unspoken_one2 10h ago

so maybe ukraine should stop buying diesel from india and stop genocide in ukraine instead of blaming india.

and it's also pretty bad how USA is actively supporting genocide in gaza

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u/DisasterNo1740 10h ago

Must be difficult to just say “yeah maybe supporting imperialist aggressor states is a bad thing” hahaha

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u/Stock_Outcome3900 3h ago

Stop doing it I guess, you should start and be the example the world has to follow

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u/RussBot10000 10h ago

I remember this one time where western powers invaded a country under false pretext of nuclear weapons. I think lots of EU folk helped out too IIRC.

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u/DisasterNo1740 10h ago

Oh well there you go, that makes it okay to support Russia!

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u/NewMeNewWorld 9h ago

Ukraine definitely thinks so.

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u/Omnio- 7h ago

I think I know the solution. It would be enough for the US or the Gulf countries to sell India oil at the same price as Russia, and Europe would pay the gap to the US or Saudi. After all, India is a developing country with a high level of poverty, it is unfair to demand that they sacrifice their economy for the benefit of Europe. Europeans constantly boast about their GDP, standard of living and whine about how important Ukraine is to them. Put your money where your mouth is and sacrifice some of your wealth instead of asking it from people ten times poorer than you.

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u/Flederm4us 6h ago

Yes. And why not? Every single one Involved in the transaction turns a Profit. Including Ukraine, that needs the diesel to keep their army running

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u/Royal-Hunter3892 13h ago

Even the American Oil companies are talking with Russia about Oil deals. There was a meeting held between them during the Alaska summit .

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u/Rare_Researcher7108 12h ago

Why don't they buy it directly from Russia and cut the middleman

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u/sidthetravler 12h ago

Crude oil needs to be refined into Petro products which needs to be processed in oil refineries based in India

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u/Anxious-Brilliant-46 6h ago

Because crude has to be refined and different products such as gasoline, diesel, jet fuel from the refinery and India has the world's largest refinery.

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u/evonst 4h ago

Would be so ironic, Russia needs the money for the war effort, UA needs the oil for the war effort. Confused Spider-Man pointing at each other !

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u/tannatuva_0 9h ago

??Wait you want Ukraine to directly let Russia profit from crude oil and refining, If anything ukraine should want as many middle men profiting from russian oil to undercut Russia, as fully removing russian oil from the market is not realistic.

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u/Rare_Researcher7108 7h ago

They are neighbors and will be cheaper for the shipping

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u/tannatuva_0 5h ago

Point is not what's cheaper for ukraine, but whats hurting russia more without causing global spike in inflation, isn't that why the price cap was introduced?

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u/Rare_Researcher7108 7h ago

I guess someone else is paying for them

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u/LewisCarroll95 12h ago

I guess we should pressure for sanctions on Ukraine for indirectly buying Russian oil and supporting the Russian war machine in Ukraine, oh, wait

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u/Kingsalyer_09 12h ago

Everybody is hypocrite until real hypocrite comes in game

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u/Kingsalyer_09 13h ago

Everyone hands are dirty of geopolitics and now even Ukraine funding Russian

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u/mrCloggy Flevoland 13h ago

Talking of politics: Russia supplying the fuel to get their own soldiers killed.

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u/eloyend Żubrza 🌲🦬🌳 Knieja 13h ago

It's money. All the way down, up, front, back and sideways.

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u/beaver_barber 5h ago

Fuel supply beneficiaries and folks dying on the battlefield are different people.

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u/ChrisTchaik 11h ago

What do you mean "now" even funding? They have no choice. Ukrainian tanks run on fossil fuel.

Guys, for the love of God, let's stop this armchair shaming.

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u/Long_Post_5780 10h ago

They could have got it from US/Saudis/irq/qatar nobody was stopping them?

It would have been little expensive...

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u/ChrisTchaik 10h ago

Saudis/IRQ/Qatar are not exactly anti-Russia countries. If anything, they all cooperate to maintain a certain margin. Not only It would've been more expensive, the moral repercussions would've basically stayed the same.

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u/Loose-Umpire8397 9h ago

Saudi has been the top Russian oil buyer for June and July (source Reuters).

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u/Stock_Outcome3900 3h ago

Not exactly, if that was the case europe wouldn't have anywhere to buy oil from while being morally right. So buy oil from those countries for a little more money, don't fund the russians.

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u/ChrisTchaik 2h ago

Europe does not have anywhere to buy oil from while staying morally right, except maybe from Norway. Most of the oil rich countries are either dictatorships or monarchies.

Also, a little more money has upended entire elections because of inflation. A lot of voters care little beyond their livelihoods.

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u/Iconic_Mithrandir 8h ago

Yes, because a country at war for it's existence tends to have loads of fucking money just laying around

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u/Expert_Average958 Lower Saxony (Germany) 12h ago

Let's just wait for Trump and EU to find a way to blame this on India too. Orange man's 100% tariffs coming up.

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u/No-Tomatillo3698 12h ago

Lol, this is on India. They are war profiteering. 

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u/Expert_Average958 Lower Saxony (Germany) 11h ago

They are war profiteering. 

You do know that Biden and EU requested it right? This was to stabilise markets, also EU bought oil in spot price from the places India was buying leading India to find alternative routes.

Or do you guys remove unwanted chapters from the history as soon as it becomes inconvenient?

Also EU has been fueling the Russian economy for decades. At the very least they should have woken up when Russia took over Crimea a decade ago, but nooo EU loves the sweet sweet cheap Oil. Truth is Europe was hoping that Ukraine falls within weeks so that they can say "Oh well, naughty Russia don't do that again." And continue the flow of resources from Russia. That's why everyone was dragging their feet when supplying resources to Ukraine initially.

EU still buys lots of other resources from Russia, funny how that never gets mentioned.

India might have a blame but Europe was the one who created this Russian monster by buying billions of Euros worth of resources every year and now when it's inconvenient they're like "hey look India is funding the Russian war."

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u/billobagebilli 11h ago

Just don't buy from us. It is not that hard.

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u/WanderingGenerality 7h ago

EU to their credit have not condemned India for doing this. They understand that this is important or there will be an oil crisis. The only one who has a problem is Trump who wants India to stop selling to EU so that he can sell to EU at a higher rate.

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u/billobagebilli 6h ago

Yep, Trump wants the world to buy american oil.

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u/Fifth_Element_Matrix 12h ago

India is the smartest in all of this, there is criticism from the EU and the US about this or that, but they are doing what is best for them.

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u/Long_Post_5780 10h ago

and do whats even smarter theres was not single transaction in Dollars 💰💰..

India bought oil in rupees and sold it in Euro

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u/Kingsalyer_09 12h ago

Do you know what is the geopolitics synonym? It's "HYPOCRISY"

and Trump is the king of Hypocrites.

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u/ConstrainedOperative Germany 9h ago

A hypocrite accusing another hypocrite of hypocrisy is still very much in character.

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u/Haunting-Detail2025 8h ago

Well it’s in the best interest of NATO that Russia not receive oil revenue used to win the war but I don’t see Indians saying “well Europe and North America are just doing what’s best for them”

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u/Grand-Text8362 10h ago

When did the US and Europe support India against China and Pakistan?

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u/HoneyGlazedNuts 11h ago

Like we would have given a shit anyway

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u/Max20151981 7h ago

The true irony is I guarantee you the Ukrainian government is fully aware of this.

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u/Tricky-Task-1149 12h ago

Fun fact: that's Russian oil. LOL.. LMAO, even.

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u/campsafari 11h ago

This is getting more and more ridiculous

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u/blompo 9h ago

So Russia supplies them with Diesel, but with extra steps. GJ!

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u/AppostleSloth 8h ago

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus?selector345id=2023

Look for yourself how you a supporting russia after the war began, indian redditors.

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u/No_Manager_0x0x0 3h ago

War is a racket

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u/sniffer28 8h ago

Shame on ukraine for buying russia oil through India they are funding the war. USA should sanction Ukraine for funding russian war

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u/NoctisScriptor 11h ago

why is ukraine buying diesel from india? Oo

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u/Long_Post_5780 10h ago

India sells it cheaper then US or the arabs

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u/vtskr 6h ago

How is it breaking though

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u/northck 12h ago

Fueling their own demise.

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u/Objective_Mousse7216 11h ago

If this is true it's fucking wild to think of Ukraine funding their own destruction.

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u/Vegetable_Pitch_1820 11h ago

My God, reddit is nothing but Indian propaganda nowadays. There needs to be a decent alternative one of these days

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u/Either-Initiative550 9h ago

Ahh, a little bit of bitter truth and it becomes an Indian propaganda.

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u/syscall0x01 Europe 11h ago

the US penalises India for buying Russian oil

Stuff like this further affirms my thoughts time and time again that the U.S. is the leading geopolitical player tirelessly working to end wars and shape agreements, while Europeans still find the audacity to bash White House policies.

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u/OkSupport5990 11h ago

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