r/europe • u/Kingsalyer_09 • 2d ago

News BREAKING: India emerges as Ukraine’s top diesel supplier in July, accounting for 15.5% of its imports. (Report) 🇮🇳🇺🇦

https://swarajyamag.com/world/india-emerges-as-ukraines-top-diesel-supplier-in-july-claims-oil-analytics-firm
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u/TokyoBaguette 2d ago

India buys cheap Russian oil then refines it and sells Diesel to Ukraine?

The spirit of Marc Rich lives ...

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u/ChrisTchaik 2d ago

This isn't exactly Sodom & Gomorrah.

Ukrainian tanks have been using Russian fuel (refined in Hungary) since the war broke.

There's no shame in it. Unfortunately, business precedes war. We still live on one planet & have to share the resources, no matter how tragic or ill-fit or ironic.

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u/Alikont Kyiv (Ukraine) 1d ago

Ukraine was also pumping russian gas to Europe for like 2 years.

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u/Tai-Pan_Struan 1d ago

This reminds me of the British/Germans trading rubber for optics/lenses in WW1.

Now it's Russians selling oil to be refined in Hungary so Ukrainian tanks can kill their soldiers.

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u/Tiny-Spray-1820 1d ago

I heard ukraine blew up those oil pipes delivering russian oil to hungary and slovakia. So how is that going to help their effort?

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u/ChrisTchaik 1d ago

They blew it up after 2 whole years and probably after securing another arrangement from Azerbaijan or elsewhere.

Or maybe they knew it would cost them anyway but felt they had to make a nice statement.

Point being, unless you're like Slovakia or Hungary just sitting on the issue, you shouldn't be blamed if wars come faster than new pipelines.

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u/Littlepage3130 1d ago

They'll probably get their oil from shipping through the black sea. Of course that makes them vulnerable to shipping disruptions, but that's a similar risk to what Russia has with its shadow fleet.

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u/Ember_Roots India 1d ago

Tell that trump mf is fcking us for it.

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u/pakeco 1d ago

There are other countries in the European Union that do the same.

Then they talk about sanctions and, behind their backs, they buy Russian oil.

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u/bier00t Europe 1d ago

That also means russia sells oil for cheap for Ukraine to repell their attacks

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u/Aurorion 1d ago

Could be completely false too. This is from an extreme right-wing rag in India. Something like Breitbart.

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u/Flederm4us 1d ago

Yes. And why not? Every single one Involved in the transaction turns a Profit. Including Ukraine, that needs the diesel to keep their army running

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u/No-Tomatillo3698 2d ago

They are hypocrites. 

After fighting for their independence from a colonial power, they are now more than happy profiting from a war in which a colonial power wants to deny another country its independence.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 2d ago

Ohh really...did we stuff the diesel into Ukraine's throat ? When Ukraine decided to buy oil from India didn't they know where it was coming from? And you think US doesn't know about this. If we are hypocrites then the word hypocrite was made for the west and it's allies.

Trump wanted to stop the war and he has failed. They wanted a scapegoat and they have selected India for their failure. If India stops buying oil the per barrel price goes to 150$ and that would profit the American oil companies. But then Russia will sell its oil at an even cheaper price to China who will sell more cheap stuff in Europe and further dominate the market.

This was the reason why previously there was a mutual understanding that India buys the cheap oil to keep the global and Russian oil prices in check. Only if Europe understood this you leaders wouldn't have to run to white House every weekend.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

I think Europe does understand that - why there's not really been "let's sanction India" chatter among European politicians.

What they are though, is chicken. Or rather held at gunpoint by a madman in the US. Why else would EU (on paper) agree to extortion with the trade "framework"? Because all roads lead to Ukraine right now. And trump is using that to strongarm every politician in Europe to all kinds of hipocricy and bad deals for Europe - just for the promise of sold aid to Ukraine and pinky swear of support for peacekeeping coalition. It's a just cause - but a very shit position to be in

(I'm by no means saying European politicians aren't hypocrites. Just that there's some layers of difference between US and Europe at present, in this case, and "West" as a concept is really distorted and not-unified right now)

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

Let's be honest everyone is a hypocrite in the right way. Everyone is looking for their profit. Donald Trump coming up and shaking things are saying only I am allowed to make profit rest all will have to what's left is not gonna work.

And I totally agree with you that Europe has distanced it from this whole India's war campaign run by Peter Navarro. Europe should stand up and negotiate with Putin. Just like in India we have a clear understanding that a peaceful relationship with China is in the interest of the both countries and the region. Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish. I stand strongly against Russia's action of invasion but Europe should have stepped itself up to ensure that Putin doesn't have a reason to start a war.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

 Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish

See this is where we disagree and you seem to misunderstand the conflict. US didn't expand NATO - countries who were subjugated and/or annexed by russia went above and beyond for NATO protection. Poland literally blackmailed US to be let in. Every Eastern European country knew already then, that what's happened in Georgia,Ukraine could've happened to them.

Your framing removes agency from those countries, and comes from russian propaganda. Also a reminder that in 2014 Ukraine was neutral, and few people there wanted  to be in NATO. Big lot of good it did to prevent russian attack, right?

putin doesn't need any reason coming from European countries. His goal is clear: restoring USSR/tsarist russia borders. And as someone coming from a country who was not long ago subjected by russian brutality, where in every family there's someone who was falsely imprisoned (in jails or mental institutions until being permanently damaged), sent to Siberian gulags (and often died there), or even murdered just for owning land, having a good education or daring to be critical of the regime. what russia does once it conquers land is ethnic cleansing - and it's doing that in occupied Ukraine now too, tactics have not changed. For countries that putin has his eyes on, resistance isn't pushed on by anyone - we're more than aware that another russian occupation could mean extinction.

russia doesn't get to dictate how other countries choose to go forward. And their failure in Ukraine is proof of that.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

I would believe your words more since the conflict belongs to your region. My words were not put in the right spirit. I meant Europe should create military and diplomatic deterrence against Russia without the help of US. The world cannot afford another war in Europe.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

This we can agree on - Europe as a whole should become capable to deter on its own merit & military strength. The changes are happening, but not equally everywhere (North/South divide), and not fast enough (what began in 2022 should've started back in 2014). 

That would not only grant us deterrence from putin or anyone succeeding him in the kremlin, but also more capability politically to have differing stances from US. Especially given what's happening there now.

I appreciate your openness to question your previous statement.  You may be interested in this video regarding that subject, created by a specialist in fighting disinformation: https://youtu.be/7-ni15vB7Nw?si=7HNjJ0nzKpgwufhH

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

Well every conflict has deep history which often gets shadowed and the real origin of the issue is never understood by people living far away. We have experienced this pain when people in the West show little understanding of India's problem with state sponsored terrorism from Pakistan. The only way out is we respect each other's insecurity and have an open mind.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

I'll be the first to admit that I do not know nearly enough about the conflict(s) between India and Pakistan to truly understand the causes. And in instances like such, I often tend to withhold any opinion beyond "I hope it gets resolved soon with as few casualties as possible, everyone retaining their sovereignty", and not voice opinions or 'taking sides' before putting in at least tens of hours in research. What I mean is that while I'm aware it was separatist attacks that started the recent conflict, that I don't understand the deeper historical past or how much linked to governments the initial spark was.

If there is an English language source you have that you've felt explained it well in a non-biased way, I'd very much appreciate it.

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u/printzonic Northern Jutland, Denmark, EU. 23h ago

As I see it, here in the west, the most common stumbling block to understanding India and Pakistan is that we too often think we can co-operate on intelligence or trade weapons with both. We in fact have to choose, India or Pakistan.

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u/Kingsalyer_09 1d ago

Ukrainians had faced so much cruelty from the Russians in history
One question I want to ask you, IF Ukraine want to stop Russia, then why doesn't Ukraine government work on the development of nuclear power weapons? , If Ukraine had nukes, then Russia would never have invaded Ukraine's territory in from first place. I mean Nukes weapons had the power of peace despite your government's belief that they can join NATO and get army help, which is pure illusion nowadays because NATO don't want a direct fight with Putin.

At the end, it's reality, No Country wants direact involved in the Ukraine-Russia.
And everyone is selling weapons and oil, earning profits.
IF Ukraine had Nukes, then this situation would never have happened, and I would blame your government for not working on it.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

Are you aware of the Budapest memorandum?

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandum-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184

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u/Kingsalyer_09 1d ago

Ukraine Give up all Nukes to Russia despite its cruel history on Ukrainians. Also, trusting America is the biggest mistake. Once, American political scientist Henry Kissinger said, "To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend of America is fatal". Budapest memorandum: One piece of paper will never protect Ukraine’s sovereignty.

What now your government believes that US TRUMP will solve the problem despite a Warm welcome to Putin in Alaska and peace trade in exchange for Ukraine's territory.
I suggest that the Ukraine government still has time to withdraw from the NPT Treaty and develop nuclear power.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

That would be too big of an escalation ladder and will only make Russia more insecure and will go for full invasion before Ukraine can think of making a nuke.

Nukes aren't the answer to all problems. Pakistan thought the same for a long time till recently they had to fight a conventional battle and they realized they have loopholes to fill.

There is a range of deterrence one could create in conventional warfare including cyberware fare. But the most important thing is for Europe to unite and come together. There is a very strong division between the eastern European vs the central European countries.

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u/Kingsalyer_09 2d ago

No one is forcing Europe and Ukraine to buy Oil from India. They are willing to purchase and they know the real source Russia. Who are the REAL HYPOCRITES now

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u/Amazing_House3188 2d ago

Both that's called realpolitik

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u/GUYABOVEMEISACLOWN 2d ago edited 2d ago

What is hypocritical is the West propping up Pakistan against India and then expecting them to stick up

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u/Eric1491625 2d ago

They are hypocrites. 

After fighting for their independence from a colonial power, they are now more than happy profiting from a war in which a colonial power wants to deny another country its independence.

There is no hyprocisy.

India does not blame and vilify countries that merely traded with Britain during colonial times. Now India expects to be treated the same. It is pretty consistent.

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u/Sumeru88 India 1d ago

Russia is occupying territory which at-least had ethnic Russian plurality of not majority. It’s an expansionist war - similar to German conquest of Alsace-Lorraine, but it’s not colonialism.

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u/No-Tomatillo3698 1d ago edited 1d ago

Nonsense. 

When through years of struggle you have gained independence from a colonial power and now support another colonial power to deny another coutry ITS independence, you are a hypocrite. 

Also hypocritical: India acts as if it plays no role in this war, it pretends to be neutral. 

Meanwhile they are cynically profiting from this war by buying up cheap oil. They have Ukrainian blood on their hands and are a big factor in the continuation of this war. 

They deserve to be villified and they deserve all the tariffs. 

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u/Eric1491625 1d ago

Also hypocritical: India acts as if it plays no role in this war, it pretends to be neutral. 

India is neutral. Maintaining normal trade relations with both sides is neutrality.

They have Ukrainian blood on their hands and are a big factor in the continuation of this war. 

Are all countries that had trade with the USA responsible for the death of every Iraqi and Afghan? In that case, every country, save for perhaps North Korea, has Iraqi blood on their hands, since they traded with the USA in the 2000s.

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u/Successful_Pace_1159 1d ago

Nonsense

Ukraine is not being forced to buy diesel for India tho?

Ukraine have Ukrainian blood on their hands and are a big factor in the continuation of this war and they deserve to be villified and they deserve all the tariffs for it

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u/RussBot10000 2d ago

India is loyal to russia as india wouldn't exist if not for russia. Look up the time the USA sent a nuclear strike group to attack india and help pakistan win the war.

Indians are never gonna forget that shit. Western powers if they had their way would of had india subjugated by pakistan.

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u/DisasterNo1740 2d ago

My favorite is when they use US support for Pakistan as justification in response to India being called out for their strong support for Russia.

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u/RussBot10000 2d ago

I mean the USA was going to nuke india and help pakistan win the war. Thats a pretty huge thing.

The russians saved india.

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u/DisasterNo1740 2d ago

Yeah it was pretty bad, just like it’s pretty bad to actively support an imperialist aggressor state that engages in genocide.

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u/Bowmic 2d ago

Instead of pointing fingers at others why don’t NATO puts boots on the ground and help Ukraine?. Or EU/US could couple stop total trade with Russia. It’s shameful that west can’t handle their own problems and drags others into this mess. 

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u/DisasterNo1740 1d ago

Nobody is being dragged into it, it's just the west acting in its own interest if they pressure India. Something Indians also always use as a justification, just doing what's in their own interests.

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u/Stock_Outcome3900 1d ago

"In my own interest" isn't a justification to kill the competition in the market by sanctioning every competitor.

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u/DisasterNo1740 1d ago

Yep you frequent Indian subs. I get it man, just admitting your country is hypocritical just like the “evil westerners” is difficult.

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u/Stock_Outcome3900 1d ago

Of course I do, and the "evil western" is lacking braincells here to understand what in my own interest means.

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u/unspoken_one2 1d ago

so maybe ukraine should stop buying diesel from india and stop genocide in ukraine instead of blaming india.

and it's also pretty bad how USA is actively supporting genocide in gaza

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u/DisasterNo1740 1d ago

Must be difficult to just say “yeah maybe supporting imperialist aggressor states is a bad thing” hahaha

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u/Stock_Outcome3900 1d ago

Stop doing it I guess, you should start and be the example the world has to follow

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u/RussBot10000 1d ago

I remember this one time where western powers invaded a country under false pretext of nuclear weapons. I think lots of EU folk helped out too IIRC.

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u/DisasterNo1740 1d ago

Oh well there you go, that makes it okay to support Russia!

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u/NewMeNewWorld 1d ago

Ukraine definitely thinks so.

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u/Omnio- 1d ago

I think I know the solution. It would be enough for the US or the Gulf countries to sell India oil at the same price as Russia, and Europe would pay the gap to the US or Saudi. After all, India is a developing country with a high level of poverty, it is unfair to demand that they sacrifice their economy for the benefit of Europe. Europeans constantly boast about their GDP, standard of living and whine about how important Ukraine is to them. Put your money where your mouth is and sacrifice some of your wealth instead of asking it from people ten times poorer than you.