r/europe • u/Kingsalyer_09 • 2d ago

News BREAKING: India emerges as Ukraine’s top diesel supplier in July, accounting for 15.5% of its imports. (Report) 🇮🇳🇺🇦

https://swarajyamag.com/world/india-emerges-as-ukraines-top-diesel-supplier-in-july-claims-oil-analytics-firm
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u/No-Tomatillo3698 2d ago

They are hypocrites. 

After fighting for their independence from a colonial power, they are now more than happy profiting from a war in which a colonial power wants to deny another country its independence.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 2d ago

Ohh really...did we stuff the diesel into Ukraine's throat ? When Ukraine decided to buy oil from India didn't they know where it was coming from? And you think US doesn't know about this. If we are hypocrites then the word hypocrite was made for the west and it's allies.

Trump wanted to stop the war and he has failed. They wanted a scapegoat and they have selected India for their failure. If India stops buying oil the per barrel price goes to 150$ and that would profit the American oil companies. But then Russia will sell its oil at an even cheaper price to China who will sell more cheap stuff in Europe and further dominate the market.

This was the reason why previously there was a mutual understanding that India buys the cheap oil to keep the global and Russian oil prices in check. Only if Europe understood this you leaders wouldn't have to run to white House every weekend.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

I think Europe does understand that - why there's not really been "let's sanction India" chatter among European politicians.

What they are though, is chicken. Or rather held at gunpoint by a madman in the US. Why else would EU (on paper) agree to extortion with the trade "framework"? Because all roads lead to Ukraine right now. And trump is using that to strongarm every politician in Europe to all kinds of hipocricy and bad deals for Europe - just for the promise of sold aid to Ukraine and pinky swear of support for peacekeeping coalition. It's a just cause - but a very shit position to be in

(I'm by no means saying European politicians aren't hypocrites. Just that there's some layers of difference between US and Europe at present, in this case, and "West" as a concept is really distorted and not-unified right now)

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

Let's be honest everyone is a hypocrite in the right way. Everyone is looking for their profit. Donald Trump coming up and shaking things are saying only I am allowed to make profit rest all will have to what's left is not gonna work.

And I totally agree with you that Europe has distanced it from this whole India's war campaign run by Peter Navarro. Europe should stand up and negotiate with Putin. Just like in India we have a clear understanding that a peaceful relationship with China is in the interest of the both countries and the region. Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish. I stand strongly against Russia's action of invasion but Europe should have stepped itself up to ensure that Putin doesn't have a reason to start a war.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

 Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish

See this is where we disagree and you seem to misunderstand the conflict. US didn't expand NATO - countries who were subjugated and/or annexed by russia went above and beyond for NATO protection. Poland literally blackmailed US to be let in. Every Eastern European country knew already then, that what's happened in Georgia,Ukraine could've happened to them.

Your framing removes agency from those countries, and comes from russian propaganda. Also a reminder that in 2014 Ukraine was neutral, and few people there wanted  to be in NATO. Big lot of good it did to prevent russian attack, right?

putin doesn't need any reason coming from European countries. His goal is clear: restoring USSR/tsarist russia borders. And as someone coming from a country who was not long ago subjected by russian brutality, where in every family there's someone who was falsely imprisoned (in jails or mental institutions until being permanently damaged), sent to Siberian gulags (and often died there), or even murdered just for owning land, having a good education or daring to be critical of the regime. what russia does once it conquers land is ethnic cleansing - and it's doing that in occupied Ukraine now too, tactics have not changed. For countries that putin has his eyes on, resistance isn't pushed on by anyone - we're more than aware that another russian occupation could mean extinction.

russia doesn't get to dictate how other countries choose to go forward. And their failure in Ukraine is proof of that.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

I would believe your words more since the conflict belongs to your region. My words were not put in the right spirit. I meant Europe should create military and diplomatic deterrence against Russia without the help of US. The world cannot afford another war in Europe.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

This we can agree on - Europe as a whole should become capable to deter on its own merit & military strength. The changes are happening, but not equally everywhere (North/South divide), and not fast enough (what began in 2022 should've started back in 2014). 

That would not only grant us deterrence from putin or anyone succeeding him in the kremlin, but also more capability politically to have differing stances from US. Especially given what's happening there now.

I appreciate your openness to question your previous statement.  You may be interested in this video regarding that subject, created by a specialist in fighting disinformation: https://youtu.be/7-ni15vB7Nw?si=7HNjJ0nzKpgwufhH

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

Well every conflict has deep history which often gets shadowed and the real origin of the issue is never understood by people living far away. We have experienced this pain when people in the West show little understanding of India's problem with state sponsored terrorism from Pakistan. The only way out is we respect each other's insecurity and have an open mind.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

I'll be the first to admit that I do not know nearly enough about the conflict(s) between India and Pakistan to truly understand the causes. And in instances like such, I often tend to withhold any opinion beyond "I hope it gets resolved soon with as few casualties as possible, everyone retaining their sovereignty", and not voice opinions or 'taking sides' before putting in at least tens of hours in research. What I mean is that while I'm aware it was separatist attacks that started the recent conflict, that I don't understand the deeper historical past or how much linked to governments the initial spark was.

If there is an English language source you have that you've felt explained it well in a non-biased way, I'd very much appreciate it.

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u/Empty-Pumpkin7618 1d ago

I would say start with Inverse of whatever says NYT on Modi/ Bharat/ India, something like Inverse Cramer