r/europe • u/Kingsalyer_09 • 2d ago

News BREAKING: India emerges as Ukraine’s top diesel supplier in July, accounting for 15.5% of its imports. (Report) 🇮🇳🇺🇦

https://swarajyamag.com/world/india-emerges-as-ukraines-top-diesel-supplier-in-july-claims-oil-analytics-firm
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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

Let's be honest everyone is a hypocrite in the right way. Everyone is looking for their profit. Donald Trump coming up and shaking things are saying only I am allowed to make profit rest all will have to what's left is not gonna work.

And I totally agree with you that Europe has distanced it from this whole India's war campaign run by Peter Navarro. Europe should stand up and negotiate with Putin. Just like in India we have a clear understanding that a peaceful relationship with China is in the interest of the both countries and the region. Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish. I stand strongly against Russia's action of invasion but Europe should have stepped itself up to ensure that Putin doesn't have a reason to start a war.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

 Europe should also ensure that they can't let US expand NATO at their wish

See this is where we disagree and you seem to misunderstand the conflict. US didn't expand NATO - countries who were subjugated and/or annexed by russia went above and beyond for NATO protection. Poland literally blackmailed US to be let in. Every Eastern European country knew already then, that what's happened in Georgia,Ukraine could've happened to them.

Your framing removes agency from those countries, and comes from russian propaganda. Also a reminder that in 2014 Ukraine was neutral, and few people there wanted  to be in NATO. Big lot of good it did to prevent russian attack, right?

putin doesn't need any reason coming from European countries. His goal is clear: restoring USSR/tsarist russia borders. And as someone coming from a country who was not long ago subjected by russian brutality, where in every family there's someone who was falsely imprisoned (in jails or mental institutions until being permanently damaged), sent to Siberian gulags (and often died there), or even murdered just for owning land, having a good education or daring to be critical of the regime. what russia does once it conquers land is ethnic cleansing - and it's doing that in occupied Ukraine now too, tactics have not changed. For countries that putin has his eyes on, resistance isn't pushed on by anyone - we're more than aware that another russian occupation could mean extinction.

russia doesn't get to dictate how other countries choose to go forward. And their failure in Ukraine is proof of that.

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u/Kingsalyer_09 1d ago

Ukrainians had faced so much cruelty from the Russians in history
One question I want to ask you, IF Ukraine want to stop Russia, then why doesn't Ukraine government work on the development of nuclear power weapons? , If Ukraine had nukes, then Russia would never have invaded Ukraine's territory in from first place. I mean Nukes weapons had the power of peace despite your government's belief that they can join NATO and get army help, which is pure illusion nowadays because NATO don't want a direct fight with Putin.

At the end, it's reality, No Country wants direact involved in the Ukraine-Russia.
And everyone is selling weapons and oil, earning profits.
IF Ukraine had Nukes, then this situation would never have happened, and I would blame your government for not working on it.

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u/DryCloud9903 1d ago

Are you aware of the Budapest memorandum?

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandum-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184

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u/Kingsalyer_09 1d ago

Ukraine Give up all Nukes to Russia despite its cruel history on Ukrainians. Also, trusting America is the biggest mistake. Once, American political scientist Henry Kissinger said, "To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend of America is fatal". Budapest memorandum: One piece of paper will never protect Ukraine’s sovereignty.

What now your government believes that US TRUMP will solve the problem despite a Warm welcome to Putin in Alaska and peace trade in exchange for Ukraine's territory.
I suggest that the Ukraine government still has time to withdraw from the NPT Treaty and develop nuclear power.

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u/Centeredrightbhakt05 1d ago

That would be too big of an escalation ladder and will only make Russia more insecure and will go for full invasion before Ukraine can think of making a nuke.

Nukes aren't the answer to all problems. Pakistan thought the same for a long time till recently they had to fight a conventional battle and they realized they have loopholes to fill.

There is a range of deterrence one could create in conventional warfare including cyberware fare. But the most important thing is for Europe to unite and come together. There is a very strong division between the eastern European vs the central European countries.