r/europe • u/umotex12 Poland • 2d ago

News Teenagers in Poland are organizing "hoe patrols". They harass and record teenage girls in malls while wearing "ho patrol" vests

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u/mordordoorodor 2d ago

The far-right and the muslim extremists should love each other. Their values are almost a 100% match, if it wasn't for racism they would be best buddies.

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u/GoldenMirado 2d ago

They hate each other because it's competition

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u/TheAmazingBreadfruit 2d ago

Exactly. It's NOT about values or culture, as they tell us. It's about dominance.

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u/ScallionElectronic61 1d ago

Exactly and we should play this game too, as moderate middle-class we chould stand together and reject them both from our midst.

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u/loktoris 1d ago

Who would think skinny guys who don't wear deodorant and fat balding guys would have something in common

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u/MisanthropicAlpaca 1d ago

The narcissism of small differences, more like it.

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u/OldMcFart 1d ago

There's no hate like a minute difference in world view.

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u/Novel_Quote8017 1d ago

Interestingly, that doesn't stop far right parties in the EU from mingling like crazy.

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u/Lampamid United States of America 1d ago

Even going into a specific religion, the sectarian hatred is remarkable. Fundamentalist Baptists and Trad Caths may differ on the saints and veneration of Mary but want all the same societal restrictions in place. They hate each other though

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u/No_Newspaper_1984 15h ago

They will warm up to each other soon.

Look at some of Russia's allies. Fascist country allied with Islamic theocracies and autocrats.

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u/m0j0m0j 2d ago

Same as with nazis and commies

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u/InflnityBlack 1d ago

the enlighted centrist as entered the premises

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u/StickyPawMelynx 1d ago

there are more political orders than just those 2. several left leaning ones are way tamer and actually beneficial to people. tankies and fash are indeed pretty much the same. maybe some commie idealists like the ideas, but most are actual authoritarian cruel scum glazing violent oppressive regimes, if you start digging (most of the time you don't have to, it's right there in the open). they will dismiss anything said by the people from the regions that have or had some form of communism in the past, going as far as insulting their relatives, who lived during the regime and told their stories. happened to me, seen that happen to others, and that's on not strictly communist subs (happened to me in r/lgbt of all places, and I've seen someone shitting on commenter's Polish aunt for daring to not enjoy communism very much on Disco Elysium sub). if you go to their actual shit hives, you'll just get swarmed or banned

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u/m0j0m0j 1d ago

He entered and took a piss onto heads of nazi and commie schoolchildren!

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto 2d ago

The far-right and the muslim extremists should love each other

I half dread and half yearn for the time they'll realize that. It will lead to some sick shit.

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u/EebilKitteh The Netherlands 2d ago

Ehn. Andrew Tate converted to Islam and his followers weren't too keen on that.

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u/budapestersalat 2d ago

Yeah, you know the closer two sects are the more viciously they hate each other. Pretty sure there was a time when Christians were killing each other over 2 views that had like one different letter in there name

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u/EebilKitteh The Netherlands 2d ago

It's all very Judean People's Front/People's Front of Judea.

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u/TheBrianUniverse The Netherlands 1d ago

Judean Popular People's Front is just as bad

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u/Count_de_Mits Greece 1d ago

That's what someone from The Popular People's Front of Judea would say

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u/Sleepy-Sunday 1d ago

Joke from the comedian Emo Phillips:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

"Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

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u/xander012 Europe 1d ago

Not far off how ridiculous the troubles could be with anti catholic/protestant sentiments. Old story goes that how you pronounced the letter h was used at times

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u/Replop France 1d ago

Yes, there were whole religious wars about this.

Example 1562-1598 , when Catholics and Protestants ( both Christians) were killing eachothers so much there was around 2 or 4 million deaths .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion

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u/Slurrper 1d ago

Shia and Sunni are not exactly best friends either

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u/budapestersalat 1d ago

exactly. they just didn't agree on the numbering on Califs essentially 

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto 2d ago

What? Really? That's hilarious

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u/RedEgg16 1d ago

Well, now a lot of his followers are muslims (half the comments on his twitter seem to be from Muslims, just guessing based on their name). I have an online friend from Pakistan, plenty of boys there support him

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u/TSllama Europe 2d ago

They are the same, actually. Islamist extremists are fascists, as well. And fascists are inherently misogynistic as shit.

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u/crebit_nebit 2d ago

Islam is a far right ideology

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u/InflnityBlack 1d ago

all abrahamic religions are by today's standards, it's up to believers to know what to keep and what to ignore in incredibly outdated texts

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u/wizardeverybit 1d ago

To be fair, far right Christians would probably call Jesus a communist if he tried to preach many of his teachings today

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u/Carbonatite 13h ago

Amusingly depressing fact: There was a pastor in the US within the last few years whose congregation complained about him and his "woke" sermon on social media. The guy literally was just reading the Sermon on the Mount to the congregation.

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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 2d ago

Not far right inherently, just completely authoritarian.

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u/onarainyafternoon Dual Citizen (American/Hungarian) 1d ago

Authoritarian, not Far Right.

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u/h0ls86 Poland 2d ago

Nobody here is going to give up on bacon, no matter of political spectrum 😅

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u/casastorta 1d ago

I see you’ve never heard of Bosnian Muslims. Before the 1990s wars in Yugoslavia they ate bacon in tons, mostly with some exceptions. They’ve got a kind of national/identity awakening during the war so they now mostly avoid pork.

But schnapps (rakija), oh boy, alcoholism is still very much huge part of their national identity, even more maybe than it was in Yugoslavia.

Islam, as every other major religion, is very flexible in bending the rules when expanding.

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u/betterlogicthanu Bosnia and Herzegovina 1d ago

This is just wrong. Bacon/pork was never that popular. In my set of villages, of 5,000-10000 people you would have maybe 1 Muslim family who ate pork.

Alcohol is more common yes. But even that is dying off, as well even with the non Muslim population. Alcohol in general is just becoming less popular.

But a weird thing Ive noticed is non religious people who see a Muslim/Christian committing some sin that their religion forbids, as like some sort of gotcha against religion. Thats not how it works. No religious person sees that as something that falsifies their religion, in fact fighting against sin is one of the reasons people turn to religion.

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u/desertedlamp4 1d ago

Only Tatars in Russia really ate/eat pork meat I think, and maybe Albanians from Albania? Have no idea about them

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u/Silver_Atractic Berlin (Germany) 2d ago

I might be having a stroke but what the hell is this sentence trying to say

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u/EebilKitteh The Netherlands 2d ago

That right-wing extremists don't like/aren't going to convert to Islam because they like bacon and you can't be a muslim and eat pork.

I assume the same goes for alcohol.

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u/AdRealistic4984 2d ago

If you’re an extremist Muslim (or come from any anti-pork culture) you’ve probably been taught people who eat pork are riddled with worms and parasites too

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u/Silver_Atractic Berlin (Germany) 2d ago

I mean Islam has a shitton of loopholes and methods of redemption. Eating pork/alcohol isn't considered a "major sin", and can be "forgiven" if you just do a Hajj pilgrim, and go to the black stone.

I know muslims that love beer more than I do, and I also know pure muslims who have never touched anything haram in their entire life. Same with Christians and sinful actions.

Anyway, yeah, far rightists converting to Islam is not happening anytime soon.

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u/True_Smile3261 1d ago

I'm sorry but this is not true, forgiveness is not a loophole qnd in Islam it requires tawbah (sincere repentance), which means stopping the sin, regretting it, and resolving not to return. Alcohol and pork are very clearly major prohibitions in the Quran. As for Hajj, it’s not a “reset button” you can abuse. Yes, if performed sincerely, it wipes away past sins, but only with genuine repentance and reform. This obviously doesn't mean every single Muslim will adhere to this since at the end of day people will remain people.

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u/h0ls86 Poland 1d ago

Ow, forgot that, yes alcohol and I can confirm that right wing people in Poland like alcohol more.

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u/VoltaireDisliker 2d ago

unless the comment you are responding to was edited, it was pretty clear, you are having a stroke call emergency now.

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u/Silver_Atractic Berlin (Germany) 2d ago

Hrhehdjtjyjldnfb help me

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u/PlayfulCynic-2462 1d ago

Both of them use their faith as justification for being awful human beings.

You cannot get any more conservative and traditional than religious fundamentalism.

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u/EnkiduOdinson East Friesland (Germany) 2d ago

The OG Nazis liked Islam a lot, especially Himmler.

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u/_FluidRazzmatazz_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini

He was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, President of (All-)Palestine and Mentor of Yasser Arafat; and lived in Berlin from 1941 until 1945, he only fled Germany a week after Hitlers death.

Husseini had publicly declared that Muslims should follow the example Germans set for a "definitive solution to the Jewish problem".

Hitler called "the arabs" natural friends of Germany, in a private meeting between the two.

And

he repeatedly urged the Germans to bomb Tel Aviv and Jerusalem "in order to injure Palestinian Jewry"

But the Nazis didn't do a whole lot of interfering in the middle-east.
They did, however, teach the Islamists in propaganda using radio, and provided them with the equipment.

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u/halee1 2d ago edited 2d ago

The share of cultural Muslims and ex-Muslims is increasing though, same as how Christianity declined rapidly in Europe after WW2. Secularization is advancing everywhere.

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u/RaggaDruida Earth 2d ago

It worries me quite a bit that many of the places where it has its grip are proper, full on far-right theocracies and people who other wise may escape the indoctrination may stay due to societal pressures. Progress may happen slower and in a more tragic way with more victims in the process.

Also, their propaganda efforts are better funded and better organised than the Western World after WW2. (with the exception of evangelism in the americas, arguably, and look at how that is looking now)

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u/Professional_Ant4133 Serbia 2d ago

ex-Muslims

Umm... The punishment for apostasy in islam is death, bro. Do you have a source for this?

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u/Silly_Window_308 2d ago

There are also muslim majority countries who don't apply sharia law to that level. Some are even secular

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u/Socmel_ reddit mods are accomplices of nazi russia 1d ago

Not only that, but many European countries have familiarity with certain light Muslim countries more than the fundamentalist ones like KSA or Iran.

In Italy, for example, the second biggest community of immigrants are Albanians, who are quite famous for being quite uninterested in religion altogether.

My experience with Turks in Germany is also that they aren't that invested in religious observance. They're more attached to their Turkish roots than anything else. Their backward social attitudes don't necessarily have to do with their religious background but more with their fathers or grandfathers coming from rural areas, often from Eastern Turkey, which is the poorest, most conservative part of the country historically.

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u/Silly_Window_308 1d ago

Ataturk was great, unfortunately Endogan is trying to islamicize the country again

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u/halee1 2d ago edited 1d ago

Sure:

The Arab world in seven charts: Are Arabs turning their backs on religion? (2019)

Decline of Islam in Iran Concurrent with That of Christianity in North America (2023)

The Values of Immigrants Hailing from and Citizens Whose Ancestors Descend from Muslim-Majority Countries in France Are Converging with Those of White French Citizens (2024)

The Values of Immigrants Hailing from and Citizens Whose Ancestors Descend from Muslim-Majority Countries in the United Kingdom Are Converging with Those of White British Citizens (2024)

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u/Professional_Ant4133 Serbia 1d ago

Umm... Yeah, ofc in the West they'll be more chill, and ofc on secret they'll be less religious. Lemme clarify - i don't see any evidence of islam reforms being done anywhere to accomodate for 21st century values.

I mean, Saudi Arabia designates atheists as terrorists, for fucks sake. Until i see 100+ videos of clerics saying gay is ok (or at least not deserving of death), apostasy is fine, and openly discusing and criticizing islam, and people drawing Mohamad without getting killed, i'm not convinced anything is goen for the better.

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u/halee1 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean, you can deny the evidence that that's been happening for generations worldwide (just look at the modern behavior of Muslims in countries like Israel, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Australia, Central Asian countries, Azerbaijan, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Albania, Kosovo, Italy, Spain, Portugal. In all of those Muslims are either a minority or a majority of the country's population, so you can't use the "They're just hiding it!" excuse), but that won't change the reality on the ground. Nobody said that Islam around the world as a whole would become like Christianity is today in an instant, but the evidence that the process is indeed ongoing, whether in private or in public, is simply overwhelming.

The reality is that even if not all, more and more Muslims have become fed up with fundamentalism Islamic regimes, because they're corrupt, hypocritical, prevent you from doing anything fun, and keep you poor. People that are exposed to lifestyles elsewhere and notice that secular liberal democracies offer you more freedom, a better life, and still allow you religious freedom, including to engage in Islam, want their societies to be more like that. Eventually even those practicing Islam like every other religion are too attracted to the secular lifestyle and gradually leave the faith behind, but things become good as soon as they practice their faith without encroaching on others' freedoms. Like Christianity today for the most part.

With all due respect, it's the 21st century, you have more information at your fingertips than ever before. You should study on what's actually going on with Islam around the world instead of clinging to outdated tropes and media that have an agenda on these things.

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u/Junior-Ad2207 2d ago

And christians can't wear mixed fabric colors.

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u/LaurestineHUN Hungary 1d ago

No, certain Jewish denominations don't wear wool and linen in one garment together.

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto 2d ago

No, they never couldn't. That's bullshit spread by people who apply american evangelical bullshit to european christianity.

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u/Junior-Ad2207 1d ago

So you are saying that there are different versions of the same religion? Interesting…

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u/VecioRompibae Veneto 1d ago

Yes, very interesting

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u/knazomar Prague (Czechia) 2d ago

Lmao, what nonsense even is this

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u/Junior-Ad2207 1d ago

The same kind of nonsense as “The punishment for apostasy in islam is death”. Wasn’t that obvious?

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u/knazomar Prague (Czechia) 1d ago

Not really, because apostasy is punished severely in the muslim world to this very day, death still being, alas, a relatively common punishment.

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u/Independent-Slide-79 2d ago

But i was told Poland is perfect by the whole anti immigration crowd?

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u/DifficultMarket5499 2d ago

i think he means in general not especially in Poland

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u/Kiwsi Iceland 2d ago

Not anymore

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u/Independent-Slide-79 2d ago

Can you folks find a common standpoint? 🙃

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u/ThatOneCourier 2d ago

Does that make it better?

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u/DifficultMarket5499 2d ago

Nah but stop being blind

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u/Aggressive-Remote-57 2d ago

What does knowing about Islam have to do with the average Muslim? You wouldn’t say that the bible is representative of the average Christian, would you?

And don’t get me wrong, I hate that ideology.

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u/DifficultMarket5499 2d ago

Muslim tend to follow islam and Quran that is supposed to be inviolable God's words, did you know that ?

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u/halee1 2d ago edited 1d ago

You do know that a higher share of Muslim people than ever doesn't follow Islam and Quran to the letter, that there are many who simply practice it in private and/or hold many liberal opinions that are outright incompatible with the faith, just like what has happened with Christians? Have you heard of things like LGBT and women-friendly mosques? About imams being trained on European soil rather than abroad? Muslims are undergoing the same process, it's simply much more advanced with Christians.

Believe it or not, as I showed in a comment above with links, immigrant communities don't stay with their beliefs unchanged forever. Host society pressure to confirm is simply too great, and the prospect of having fun and socializing with the locals too is too attractive for newer generations. That's why we see it in practice more and more.

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u/TSllama Europe 2d ago

Weird, I'm a gay agnostic woman and I have quite a decent number of Muslim friends... sure doesn't seem to fit with your "average Muslims are extremist" argument...

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u/milkdrinkingdude Poland 2d ago

Average muslim you hear about int the news. Just as average christian you hear about in the news.

If you don’t know many personally, then the ones on the news are going to be the average for you.

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u/TSllama Europe 1d ago

I don't think the ones I know are average, just as the Christians I'm friends with are not average.

The average is probably something quite between the extremists we hear about in the news, and the super liberal ones I'm friends with. In both religions.

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u/milkdrinkingdude Poland 1d ago

Well, there are millions, or hundreds of millions of both. Meanwhile, you only hear of a few thousand extremists in the news. So I guess the average has to be heavily weighted towards regular folk, who just get up in the morning, go to work, pay their bills, eat a cake sometimes. A lot of them beat their wives, kids, or are themselves beaten wives, kids, but that goes on everywhere, from China to Uganda, for countless millenia, in conservative, or modern households. So I would not consider that related to such religions.

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u/TSllama Europe 1d ago

I think we are saying the same thing, but it seems like you are disagreeing with me.

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u/milkdrinkingdude Poland 1d ago

Much the same, but just trying to say why some would consider the extremists as the average. It is not their fault either. And you might make the same assumptions about whomever. Maybe about incels, you hear about in the news. Or e.g. I dated a feminist once, a regular one, that wouldn’t be on the news.

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u/DifficultMarket5499 2d ago

Weird, your micro exception doesn't make the general trend all around the world since ever

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u/TSllama Europe 2d ago

Weird, actually my experience does prove your supposed rule wrong.

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u/OVazisten 2d ago

Fifteen years ago the far right here organised an Arabian-Hungarian friendship day on the eleventh of September just to make sure everyone got the message.

https://index.hu/belfold/2010/09/09/9_11_az_arab-magyar_baratsag_napja_a_jobbikban/

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u/moeraszwijn 1d ago

They do. The most far right Dutch party (FVD) embraces Islam.

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u/jvjjjvvv 1d ago

I think it's not really about values. It is about fanaticism. About people supporting a set of beliefs so ardently that they think it gives them the right to decide that everyone else should have the same beliefs. I've seen people go from the far left to the far right and vice versa, and I think it really is just that they are so simple that whenever they become convinced of something they believe it blindly and are incapable of considering other perspectives.

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u/Ilovekittens345 1d ago

the same devil is behind both of them

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u/macedonianmoper Portugal 1d ago

Two "different" groups that hate everyone different from them don't get along? Shocking!

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u/Antarcticdonkey 1d ago

Exactly, if someone can find that skit where racists and islamists ally themselves to beat the shit out of a gay, please post it, I couldn't find it

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u/frerant 1d ago

I mean in WW2 they did. Arab Muslims leaders were massively important allies to Hitler, with Amin al-Husseini touring concentration camps and promoting the final solution to other Muslim leaders.

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u/Secure_Radio3324 Galicia (Spain) 1d ago

Extremists don't hate extremists from the other side. They hate slightly different extremists. Why do you think countries have either zero or more than ten Communist Parties, with no in between?

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u/ConformityChain 1d ago

Hell, Breivik said he respected Al-Qaeda, because they both sort of have the same vision of final, all-out race / culture / religion war against each other, and also because he was impressed by their methods. Truly psychotic shit.

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u/ChubBatscha 1d ago

It is important to acknowledge that these individuals self-identify as proponents of "Christian values." Consequently, it can be posited that fundamental Christians, right-wingers, and radical Islamists harbor analogous or analogous views.

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u/tilmanbaumann 1d ago

Don't tell them, we are fucked if they find out

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u/Arek_PL 1d ago

except that those "hoe patrols" are a tik-tok trend here

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u/Relax-take-it-easy 1d ago

This is so true you have no idea. I've been yelling this for years now.

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u/TankTerrible9401 1d ago

Sigmund freud called a similar thing the "narcissism of small differences". He meant that things/people that are very similar to each other, stand in competition over these small differences

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u/IMightBeAHamster Scotland 1d ago

Fascism doesn't get along with fascism. Doesn't matter if they believe almost the same things, if they believe it about different people.

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u/Moug-10 Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (France) 1d ago

As a Muslim, I'm happy to finally see people realise Muslim extremists are closer to the far-right than moderate Muslims.

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u/Vova_Poutine 20h ago

Many of them do love each other nowadays since they have so many "enemies" in common: Women? Hate them. Gays? Hate them. Jews? Hate them.

This isn't new either if you think back to the alliance between the Muslim Brotherhood and the Nazis during WWII.

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u/PomegranateMinimum15 The Netherlands 1d ago

Why u think trump gave andrew tate a free pass

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u/TameTheAuroch Hungary 1d ago

They do work together sometimes, like the Münich Massacre by the palestinian Black September was supported in part by local German neo-nazi organisations.

Also here in Hungary the resident neo-nazi party representatives visited Iran and spoke fondly of Iranian terrorist militias.

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u/Substantial_Brush692 1d ago

And yet it is the leftist and the liberals that love them.

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u/phobug Bulgaria 2d ago

Yeah keep calling regular christians far-right, we don’t care anymore, even worse some embrace the term just to mess with you, as you’re clearly ignorant on the topic ;)

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u/Silver_Atractic Berlin (Germany) 2d ago

They never mentioned Christians. How telling of yourself.

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u/phobug Bulgaria 1d ago

What is it telling? That I realise christians don’t like hoes? Yes it’s obvious in christian culture. Go to a church in germany and they will tell you the same thing maybe they’ll call it modesty ;)

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u/sorry-not-tory 1d ago

If you’re going around harassing people because of your beliefs than you are a pox upon mankind.

Live by your beliefs, don’t force others to listen to your bullshit.

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u/EebilKitteh The Netherlands 2d ago

You're the first to bring up Christians in this topic, bud.

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u/phobug Bulgaria 1d ago

Yep, thats the point of conversations, give others your perspective and if its different maybe we can learn something. Its Poland, the most religious of all slavic nations, in my experience.

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u/KingKrimson235 2d ago

You think harassing women is a normal, moderate stance?

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u/MacEWork 1d ago

Yeah, he probably does. He’s a Bulgarian Trump fan. A truly pathetic sort.

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u/KingKrimson235 1d ago

Lmao found the incel. Harassment is still harassment even if it targets who you deem as sluts. Once those women call the police, do you think they won't be able to press charges because they are "sluts"? Also, why can't they dress how they like? I was under the impression that Poland was a free country but maybe I'm wrong

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u/KingKrimson235 1d ago

Lmao freedom means that they can dress however they like without incels like you doing anything about it. Cry about it

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