NATO expansion seems the obvious reason for the war, given them looking to give Ukraine NATO+ membership. The question I have is why China and Russia are so against NATO expansion.
They want to believe the narratives that the USA is the sole source of all the world's problem, so if they are helping Ukraine, Ukraine must be the bad guys.
The idea of them seeing themselves as liberators is already hilarious. They literally kill the opposition, kill journalists, kill dissidents, and are probably one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. But they need to liberate their neighbors, clearly.
Good people of the world know the truth, and no amount of propaganda will overwrite the reality that Russia is a murderous terrorist state. I am truly sorry for what your people have endured and continue to endure - physically, emotionally and psychologically. They (Russia and their actors) want to crush our hopes and make us believe we're living in the Twilight Zone where up is down, left is right, war is peace, etc... they want to psychologically break people around the world and demoralize us and make us think there is no justice or morality or guiding light.
They are wrong and Ukraine stands as a beacon against this insidious, wretched virus. We in Canada support you, your sovereignty, and your righteous fight against these absolute monsters. Stay strong. You are just. Slava Ukraini!
I’m in the USA and I actually have a friend that left here and is over there fighting with Ukraine. He went shortly after Russia started the war. He has told me some really sad stories. He has seen the worst of humanity, but he’s also seen some of the best of humanity, meaning Ukrainians helping each other.
This one too. I don’t know how anyone could see the war as anything but Russian aggression. The propaganda painting it as somehow being Ukraine’s fault disgusts me.
Yes, though it's sadly not too surprising that our rapist of a president would take an "it would all be over if you just let him take what he wants" stance.
Agreed. But it’s even worse than that. That pathetic shriveled orange fascist fuckwit looks up to Putin. He wants to be him. I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t totally turned on Ukraine. I fucking hate this country right now. It’s never been what we’ve tried to sell it as, but my god does the state it’s in now make me miss the “good old days” of the 90s.
I’m not willing to lower my standards that much. People just forget all the harm he did because he was personable and he knew how to duck, but he was a scumbag too, and without him we never would have gotten to where we are right now. I will never ever get over what the courts did to Gore. And by extension, to not only the US, but the whole world.
I don’t see ant Ukrainian flag on any US television, not to say we don’t see americans being so upset about their leadership si agree by keeping mouths shut about the direction your leader is taking. Its nice to put an Ukrainian flag on social media!
I’m born in the US but my entire family including parents are from south eastern Poland near the Ukraine. We are 100% behind you. Putin is nothing but a KGB killer and needs to be stopped. We all hope this madness ends soon without Ukraine 🇺🇦 having to give too much to the Russians.
Your country have up nuclear arms in exchange for a rock solid promise of protection.
The US is traitorous towards you because of the orange Nazi, resist, felon in the White House.
As much as I hate Trump I don't think you can put this solely on him. Ukraine have been let down by Obama when Crimea was taken, and then subsequently by Biden and Trump.
Yea Obama really screwed the handling of Crimea, that said this current situation rests solely on DJT.
Biden pushed for much aid and support, to the point where it was a line of attacks made by Russian supported republican propaganda to make it a weakness for Bidens/Democrats campaigns.
have up nuclear arms in exchange for a rock solid promise of protection
Wrong. They gave up the nukes for money (which was paid) and a promise that the US, UK, and Russia will recognize the sovereignty of Ukraine, it's borders, and not interfere with their politics. There is ZERO wordage about a defense pact.
The Obama administration in 2013 already said the document was not legally binding (because it actually isn't...at all) when they sanctioned Belarus so yeah...
In my country, in France, some people consider that the Russians are right because their far-right party agrees with this in a deliberately ambiguous way.
That's a bit harsh.
Balticum, Poland, and Scandinavian are 100 behind you with money and weapons. Unfortunately we are rather small countries, it would be nice if some of the bigger ones also stepped up.
I totally get she is pissed that most European countries aren't truly backing Ukraine's fight for freedom.
When you see contributions like €39 from Ireland or €29 from Italy, it's honestly embarrassing.
Especially when the Baltic countries — Small economies with low-income populations — are giving €600 to €900 per person, and Norway tops the list with around €1,200 per citizen.
So gratitude towards those who help and shame towards those who don't.
Except for the Israel-Palestine conflict, which has been adopted as a pet conflict by a lot of people since the 60s, usually the farther a country from a conflict, the less involved its people feel. I don’t think Baltic countries care much for conflicts ravaging some African countries. I am not saying it is right, just understandable.
As a German I’m very grateful that our government supports your country, but on the other hand there is MUCH more we should do. Too much hesitation in delivering weapons for no reason. And too many people in Germany are still too friendly with Russia and don’t see that these are our enemies, too. Really pisses me off TBH
Listen, the military are howling, we are bad. Why such bias? I don't mind communicating with Ukrainians on social networks. I have Ukrainian friends, but when a person openly claims that all the Russian people are terrible, it's offensive
According to independent sources that poll in Russia 60-70 % of the population still support this war. They basically support killing their neighbours so as the "russian world" continues expanding. Fuck them.
I understand there are 1/3 rd of people there who condemns this. Lets hope that after russia collapses that those people can grab power there. But I have my doubts.
Nobody claims that. But it is your state, your army, your government. And all Russian people that are quiet and don’t stand up are also part of it, even if the vast majority of them may be nice people and don’t support the war particularly
Russia produces 4 times as much munitions as every NATO country combined. It’s not a matter of more countries helping. There needs to be a negotiation for a ceasefire. This war was never going to be won with conventional means.
The European Commission has set a target to ramp up ammunition production to 2 million rounds per year in 2025, while the US is looking to hit a new target of 100,000 rounds per month by October.
Other allies, including Norway, the United Kingdom and Canada, are also looking to boost supply chains.
To be honest with you; it is just the USA and Hungary with these opinions. Europe as a whole is behind you. The reason why European leaders are not screaming as hard as Trump is that Trump has the mental capacity of a toddler. And nobody wants to ruin any of the help you can get. Instead of looking at sensational headlines from the Trump circus, you have to look at all the local initiatives from European communities to understand how we look at your situation. I know 5 separate people who went to Ukraine with a truck for aid. I don't know any charity's purpose with more support than the aid for Ukraine’s sovereignty against the Russian invasion.
I have to assume it's trolls saying this, because all I hear is support for the Ukrainian people where I live. Any time a special operation blows up something big we cheer for you.
I do feel a bit sad for all the Russian lives lost at the whims of greedy men and all the lies and propaganda they tell, but that is just a symptom of this messy world we live in.
That's what happens when all you know is eating croissants, looking at the tour Eiffel... I think what's happening in Ukraine is just a sneak peek of what's going to be tormenting west Europe in the next decades
A great majority of Americans support Ukraine. I do vehemently. I volunteered in 2021 and was turned down by the consulate.
It was after some of the early, untrained Western volunteers got killed in a rocket attack because they were using their cell phones near the front like morons. They said they only wanted guys with infantry experience. I was a Marine Corps Tank Commander and was thus denied. The frustration when Ukraine started fielding the Abrams… I always wanted a combat tank deployment.
As an American it pisses me off that any American doesnt stand with you all and want to send you all the help you need. Its the right thing to do, and those "Americans" that don't think its their war fail to realize even on the most bass level we as a nation wouldnt be a thing without France helping us beat thr British.
For what it’s worth, as an American I am rooting for Ukraine and in these shit times I find myself inspired by Ukrainians who refuse to give up and hand over their country. Wish I could do more.
The world is a very frustrating place. The fact that even anyone is stupid enough to imply that Ukraine is at fault here, for any of this, is completely insane.
The Russian disinformation campaign combined with trumps complicity in putins invasion is forming false narratives that don’t represent the real beliefs of most good people. I truly hope putin just drops dead and the whole invasion just collapses, trump can at least be kicked out of office…hopefully.
No sane person is blaming Ukraine for being invaded. Biden was overly cautious in his response, but I very much doubt even Trump does, realistically - he's just getting marching orders from Putin because it looks like he has a history of fucking kids, and Putin probably has the receipts.
I don't think Putin quite anticipated how desperate for constant praise Trump is, but could anyone? The dude is malignant.
I can only speak to my own country, but every third car I see has a Ukraine flag bumper sticker. Trump may suck the air out of every room he walks into, but most of the world is firmly in support of Ukraine and just as eager to see the leash come off in our response as you are.
As a Russian - you are not blamed and can’t be blamed. It’s unthinkable. Russia is the aggressor point blank. World is crazy. It did not deserve this poor little girl 😭
Why does your military put its equipment inside/ next to civilian buildings? There were enough photos and videos showing this practice. The chance for Peace was there, with the Minsk Agreements...which your government did not adhere to.....and now it's too late. You expect all of Europe to suffer for you?? No!!!
Considering that Ukraine is in the situation that it is, that Russianis advancing. It would be the smartest move to give up the land to stop the killing. Girl wouldn’t have died. Mothers, fathers, children, men, women, grandparents, none would have died if the land would have been given up. Zelensky continuing the war while getting rich, killing the innocent. I don’t understand how the Ukraine ego can overpower the worth of a human life. Keep the land and lose lives, live with traumas, live while missing those who were once sharing food at the same table. To me the land would be worthless as long as I keep my loved ones.
Only imbeciles actually believe that. I live in America and everyone around me is sympathetic to your cause. Don’t feel so isolated the news is bullshit anyway
There are some leaders trying to peddle that false narrative but the majority of the world knows Ukrainians are being invaded and are only defending themselves. We are so sorry for what you have to live through. Please keep courage.
No one should ever be blaming Ukrainians.. theyre putting up an incredible effort. They've done what many thought were impossible and made Putin and Russia look so small
Nobody blame Ukraine for defending itself, Ukraine is blamed for choosing western side instead of neutrality. If Ukraine stayed neutral, none of this would ever happen
Every Estonian-American gathering there has been since the invasion has a song and/or words of support for Ukraine. It seems like the loudest voices are the most hateful right now, but there are so many more who join together in fellowship and solidarity and advocate in their lives for the freedom of Ukraine that don't make the news. You are not alone, every single person in the world who has family memories of Soviet oppression stands with you.
I'm from western Europe, and I've been angry and ashamed we haven't done more since day 1 of the invasion. We should have helped massively since the day Russia invaded, but instead, our leaders just talked and protested, waiting for Ukraine to fall in the first weeks. That didn't happen, and against all odds, they resisted the overwhelming invasion force. Only then we started to help but always too little, too late and in the end it's al about money we don't want to give away while Ukrainians give their lives for freedom.
Bcz you use NATO's script and place your military equipment among civilian infrastructure. Also, try to find out what was it: S300 or Patriot. We all know Zelenskyy's regime use your own air defence for such provocations, to make news such as this one.
A few months ago, a 9 year old Ukrainian cancer patient was murdered by an Iranian missile in Israel. Nobody had words of compassion for her, only how much she and the Israelis "deserved it".
My grandparents, born in the 1940s, have known many years without war. Angelina had 2 years of life, with war always at the forefront of her existence.
So what are we doing about it Europe? We all know that if Ukraine is taken, there will be a short spell of peace before Russia unloads on the next target.
It's almost like there's an ongoing genocide which many people from Europe support. Please, only feel bad about a Ukrainian kid being killed, not the tens of children in Gaza getting killed daily.
Well, Hamas may not have pulled the trigger itself for the 17.000 kids
But they celebrate the deaths because they can stage them in propaganda, and they laid the groundwork by attacking Israel.
There are statements from the Hamas leadership and from civilians in the Gaza Strip saying exactly that, that they welcome the deaths of civilians because they can use it as propaganda. This war could have been over long ago, and with it the deaths of innocent children, if the side that started this war had been harassing 1,200 civilians and kidnapping 150 civilians, both of which were welcomed and celebrated by the civilians.
Source? Do I need to remind you that Palestine was occupied on Oct 6th? This is like saying that Ukraine started the war by shelling the Donbass. And they could've just accepted unfair Russian peace offers.
Russian and Israeli supporters have so much in common...
We need to support the illegal Israeli occupation and genocide because they have a superior army?
Why did the army with perhaps the best inteligence in the world allowed a bunch of fighters with AKs to breach their blockade and kill people for hours anyway?
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u/DogsReadingBooks Norway 1d ago
All she knew was war. That’s so tragic.