NATO expansion seems the obvious reason for the war, given them looking to give Ukraine NATO+ membership. The question I have is why China and Russia are so against NATO expansion.
It's sad that someone that posts in the System of a Down subreddit would be dumb enough to say shit like Ukraine is the aggressor. It's like the lyrics mean nothing.
They want to believe the narratives that the USA is the sole source of all the world's problem, so if they are helping Ukraine, Ukraine must be the bad guys.
The idea of them seeing themselves as liberators is already hilarious. They literally kill the opposition, kill journalists, kill dissidents, and are probably one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. But they need to liberate their neighbors, clearly.
They have bombed Ukrainian citizens and killed many in Mariupol. Said by Ukranians themselves. But somehow that's brushed aside, because the only thing that matters is demonizing Russia.
Dude, Russia launched an invasion on a peaceful country, annexed a large chunk of it in violation of the Budapest agreement which Russia signed, and daily bombs Ukrainian cities.
Leaving out military targets, it is exclusively Ukrainian cities being bombed in this war.
This isn't demonisation, it's just a statement of facts.
This also has nothing to do with the original lie that Ukraine's government is Nazi.
But that's a lie that no one in their right mind can dismiss as such. Even if the chance is ridiculously minute, no one wants to be the one to push Russia into nuclear warfare. You don't really need to lie or say the truth when you've got the ultimate deterrent.
Sure we can dismiss, because you cannot make policy based on the idea of "what if the person I am dealing with wants to get nuked". They can throw those things at any moment, even now, so its not at all a factor even worth considering.
Yeah, we are absolute about a free Ukraine, including Crimea.
The war was completely unnecessary. And the Russians can leave at any time with no loss to Russians. In fact, Russia would be far better off if they did.
Good people of the world know the truth, and no amount of propaganda will overwrite the reality that Russia is a murderous terrorist state. I am truly sorry for what your people have endured and continue to endure - physically, emotionally and psychologically. They (Russia and their actors) want to crush our hopes and make us believe we're living in the Twilight Zone where up is down, left is right, war is peace, etc... they want to psychologically break people around the world and demoralize us and make us think there is no justice or morality or guiding light.
They are wrong and Ukraine stands as a beacon against this insidious, wretched virus. We in Canada support you, your sovereignty, and your righteous fight against these absolute monsters. Stay strong. You are just. Slava Ukraini!
I’m in the USA and I actually have a friend that left here and is over there fighting with Ukraine. He went shortly after Russia started the war. He has told me some really sad stories. He has seen the worst of humanity, but he’s also seen some of the best of humanity, meaning Ukrainians helping each other.
Not all Canadians support war across the planet. You do not represent all Canadians. You do not represent Canada as a country. You can say YOU PERSONALLY support them. But I as a born and raised Canadian, do not.
Is that why no developing country is supporting Ukraine?
Who funded and instigated the Euromaidan protests? Then pushed the new govt. to take an anti-Russia stance and give anti-Russia statements? Then, kept instigating Ukraine to maintain bad relations with Russia which is their neighbour?
Making Ukrainians feel like you are behind them solidly, and then when the wat broke out what did NATO do? It's a massacre out there with only Ukrainians and Russians dying.
People like you sitting comfortably far from the war zone and lecturing and pushing more to death. Shame on you. All developing countries have seen this script playout so many times and hence, none of them supports another NATO propagated war.
This one too. I don’t know how anyone could see the war as anything but Russian aggression. The propaganda painting it as somehow being Ukraine’s fault disgusts me.
Yes, though it's sadly not too surprising that our rapist of a president would take an "it would all be over if you just let him take what he wants" stance.
Agreed. But it’s even worse than that. That pathetic shriveled orange fascist fuckwit looks up to Putin. He wants to be him. I’m honestly surprised he hasn’t totally turned on Ukraine. I fucking hate this country right now. It’s never been what we’ve tried to sell it as, but my god does the state it’s in now make me miss the “good old days” of the 90s.
I’m not willing to lower my standards that much. People just forget all the harm he did because he was personable and he knew how to duck, but he was a scumbag too, and without him we never would have gotten to where we are right now. I will never ever get over what the courts did to Gore. And by extension, to not only the US, but the whole world.
I don’t see ant Ukrainian flag on any US television, not to say we don’t see americans being so upset about their leadership si agree by keeping mouths shut about the direction your leader is taking. Its nice to put an Ukrainian flag on social media!
I’m born in the US but my entire family including parents are from south eastern Poland near the Ukraine. We are 100% behind you. Putin is nothing but a KGB killer and needs to be stopped. We all hope this madness ends soon without Ukraine 🇺🇦 having to give too much to the Russians.
Your country have up nuclear arms in exchange for a rock solid promise of protection.
The US is traitorous towards you because of the orange Nazi, resist, felon in the White House.
As much as I hate Trump I don't think you can put this solely on him. Ukraine have been let down by Obama when Crimea was taken, and then subsequently by Biden and Trump.
Yea Obama really screwed the handling of Crimea, that said this current situation rests solely on DJT.
Biden pushed for much aid and support, to the point where it was a line of attacks made by Russian supported republican propaganda to make it a weakness for Bidens/Democrats campaigns.
In my country, in France, some people consider that the Russians are right because their far-right party agrees with this in a deliberately ambiguous way.
That's a bit harsh.
Balticum, Poland, and Scandinavian are 100 behind you with money and weapons. Unfortunately we are rather small countries, it would be nice if some of the bigger ones also stepped up.
I totally get she is pissed that most European countries aren't truly backing Ukraine's fight for freedom.
When you see contributions like €39 from Ireland or €29 from Italy, it's honestly embarrassing.
Especially when the Baltic countries — Small economies with low-income populations — are giving €600 to €900 per person, and Norway tops the list with around €1,200 per citizen.
So gratitude towards those who help and shame towards those who don't.
Except for the Israel-Palestine conflict, which has been adopted as a pet conflict by a lot of people since the 60s, usually the farther a country from a conflict, the less involved its people feel. I don’t think Baltic countries care much for conflicts ravaging some African countries. I am not saying it is right, just understandable.
As a German I’m very grateful that our government supports your country, but on the other hand there is MUCH more we should do. Too much hesitation in delivering weapons for no reason. And too many people in Germany are still too friendly with Russia and don’t see that these are our enemies, too. Really pisses me off TBH
Listen, the military are howling, we are bad. Why such bias? I don't mind communicating with Ukrainians on social networks. I have Ukrainian friends, but when a person openly claims that all the Russian people are terrible, it's offensive
According to independent sources that poll in Russia 60-70 % of the population still support this war. They basically support killing their neighbours so as the "russian world" continues expanding. Fuck them.
I understand there are 1/3 rd of people there who condemns this. Lets hope that after russia collapses that those people can grab power there. But I have my doubts.
Nobody claims that. But it is your state, your army, your government. And all Russian people that are quiet and don’t stand up are also part of it, even if the vast majority of them may be nice people and don’t support the war particularly
Russia produces 4 times as much munitions as every NATO country combined. It’s not a matter of more countries helping. There needs to be a negotiation for a ceasefire. This war was never going to be won with conventional means.
The European Commission has set a target to ramp up ammunition production to 2 million rounds per year in 2025, while the US is looking to hit a new target of 100,000 rounds per month by October.
Other allies, including Norway, the United Kingdom and Canada, are also looking to boost supply chains.
No they didn't. Nobody with clear mind would've said that zelenskyy did start it.
Another thing is that other nations should not feel obliged to support war effort indefinitely. It wears them down too.
I thought he was exaggerating but sadly no. Trump really did say this.
"Donald Trump has again blamed Volodymyr Zelensky for starting the war with Russia – a day after a major Russian attack killed 35 people and injured 117 others in the Ukrainian city of Sumy.
The US president said Ukraine's leader shared the blame with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the "millions of people dead" in the conflict.
"You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he said at the White House on Monday."
That's crazy level of bias here.
I am stating a fact. You are the only ignorant here. I was mistaken when it comes to trump's words and I openly admitted to it.
The prolonged support is really taking its toll on all western nations that do support ukraine whether you like it or not.
One of the ways to support ukraine is not buying the gas from russia. You want to tell me it is not wearing down western countries?
Think a little. Make sure you are not ignorant before you call that on someone who simply disagrees with your POV.
To be honest with you; it is just the USA and Hungary with these opinions. Europe as a whole is behind you. The reason why European leaders are not screaming as hard as Trump is that Trump has the mental capacity of a toddler. And nobody wants to ruin any of the help you can get. Instead of looking at sensational headlines from the Trump circus, you have to look at all the local initiatives from European communities to understand how we look at your situation. I know 5 separate people who went to Ukraine with a truck for aid. I don't know any charity's purpose with more support than the aid for Ukraine’s sovereignty against the Russian invasion.
I have to assume it's trolls saying this, because all I hear is support for the Ukrainian people where I live. Any time a special operation blows up something big we cheer for you.
I do feel a bit sad for all the Russian lives lost at the whims of greedy men and all the lies and propaganda they tell, but that is just a symptom of this messy world we live in.
That's what happens when all you know is eating croissants, looking at the tour Eiffel... I think what's happening in Ukraine is just a sneak peek of what's going to be tormenting west Europe in the next decades
A great majority of Americans support Ukraine. I do vehemently. I volunteered in 2021 and was turned down by the consulate.
It was after some of the early, untrained Western volunteers got killed in a rocket attack because they were using their cell phones near the front like morons. They said they only wanted guys with infantry experience. I was a Marine Corps Tank Commander and was thus denied. The frustration when Ukraine started fielding the Abrams… I always wanted a combat tank deployment.
As an American it pisses me off that any American doesnt stand with you all and want to send you all the help you need. Its the right thing to do, and those "Americans" that don't think its their war fail to realize even on the most bass level we as a nation wouldnt be a thing without France helping us beat thr British.
For what it’s worth, as an American I am rooting for Ukraine and in these shit times I find myself inspired by Ukrainians who refuse to give up and hand over their country. Wish I could do more.
The world is a very frustrating place. The fact that even anyone is stupid enough to imply that Ukraine is at fault here, for any of this, is completely insane.
The Russian disinformation campaign combined with trumps complicity in putins invasion is forming false narratives that don’t represent the real beliefs of most good people. I truly hope putin just drops dead and the whole invasion just collapses, trump can at least be kicked out of office…hopefully.
No sane person is blaming Ukraine for being invaded. Biden was overly cautious in his response, but I very much doubt even Trump does, realistically - he's just getting marching orders from Putin because it looks like he has a history of fucking kids, and Putin probably has the receipts.
I don't think Putin quite anticipated how desperate for constant praise Trump is, but could anyone? The dude is malignant.
I can only speak to my own country, but every third car I see has a Ukraine flag bumper sticker. Trump may suck the air out of every room he walks into, but most of the world is firmly in support of Ukraine and just as eager to see the leash come off in our response as you are.
As a Russian - you are not blamed and can’t be blamed. It’s unthinkable. Russia is the aggressor point blank. World is crazy. It did not deserve this poor little girl 😭
Why does your military put its equipment inside/ next to civilian buildings? There were enough photos and videos showing this practice. The chance for Peace was there, with the Minsk Agreements...which your government did not adhere to.....and now it's too late. You expect all of Europe to suffer for you?? No!!!
Considering that Ukraine is in the situation that it is, that Russianis advancing. It would be the smartest move to give up the land to stop the killing. Girl wouldn’t have died. Mothers, fathers, children, men, women, grandparents, none would have died if the land would have been given up. Zelensky continuing the war while getting rich, killing the innocent. I don’t understand how the Ukraine ego can overpower the worth of a human life. Keep the land and lose lives, live with traumas, live while missing those who were once sharing food at the same table. To me the land would be worthless as long as I keep my loved ones.
Only imbeciles actually believe that. I live in America and everyone around me is sympathetic to your cause. Don’t feel so isolated the news is bullshit anyway
There are some leaders trying to peddle that false narrative but the majority of the world knows Ukrainians are being invaded and are only defending themselves. We are so sorry for what you have to live through. Please keep courage.
No one should ever be blaming Ukrainians.. theyre putting up an incredible effort. They've done what many thought were impossible and made Putin and Russia look so small
Nobody blame Ukraine for defending itself, Ukraine is blamed for choosing western side instead of neutrality. If Ukraine stayed neutral, none of this would ever happen
Every Estonian-American gathering there has been since the invasion has a song and/or words of support for Ukraine. It seems like the loudest voices are the most hateful right now, but there are so many more who join together in fellowship and solidarity and advocate in their lives for the freedom of Ukraine that don't make the news. You are not alone, every single person in the world who has family memories of Soviet oppression stands with you.
I'm from western Europe, and I've been angry and ashamed we haven't done more since day 1 of the invasion. We should have helped massively since the day Russia invaded, but instead, our leaders just talked and protested, waiting for Ukraine to fall in the first weeks. That didn't happen, and against all odds, they resisted the overwhelming invasion force. Only then we started to help but always too little, too late and in the end it's al about money we don't want to give away while Ukrainians give their lives for freedom.
Bcz you use NATO's script and place your military equipment among civilian infrastructure. Also, try to find out what was it: S300 or Patriot. We all know Zelenskyy's regime use your own air defence for such provocations, to make news such as this one.
A few months ago, a 9 year old Ukrainian cancer patient was murdered by an Iranian missile in Israel. Nobody had words of compassion for her, only how much she and the Israelis "deserved it".
People will call me commies but WDYM by ukraniansare still standing?
if zelensky wanted to end the war he would have surrender earlier if he wanted to, but he wants to end the war by destroying russian federations with help of NATO.
Who do you call a terrorist? Terrorism is a spectrum.
and yes, Russian will treat ukraine right but, has any country or colonizer or Annexers to smaller,instable,or inginificant country.
Like the British to countless countries and frace also to nothern african and madagascar and some say its history but, california (a US state) conducted eugenics to immigrants and imbeciles till 1980s
or Isralean ( sided with westerns ) bombing palestinian and Gaza kids someone and some not talked about it Why?
The US fought Vietnam but in the process bombed cambodia and Laos (there are stll many undetonated bombs in laos which can detonated at any time)
The US bombed the Iraq, Libya, Syria and Latin american countries like Guam and Panama.
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u/DogsReadingBooks Norway 2d ago
All she knew was war. That’s so tragic.