NATO expansion seems the obvious reason for the war, given them looking to give Ukraine NATO+ membership. The question I have is why China and Russia are so against NATO expansion.
It's sad that someone that posts in the System of a Down subreddit would be dumb enough to say shit like Ukraine is the aggressor. It's like the lyrics mean nothing.
They want to believe the narratives that the USA is the sole source of all the world's problem, so if they are helping Ukraine, Ukraine must be the bad guys.
The idea of them seeing themselves as liberators is already hilarious. They literally kill the opposition, kill journalists, kill dissidents, and are probably one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. But they need to liberate their neighbors, clearly.
They have bombed Ukrainian citizens and killed many in Mariupol. Said by Ukranians themselves. But somehow that's brushed aside, because the only thing that matters is demonizing Russia.
Dude, Russia launched an invasion on a peaceful country, annexed a large chunk of it in violation of the Budapest agreement which Russia signed, and daily bombs Ukrainian cities.
Leaving out military targets, it is exclusively Ukrainian cities being bombed in this war.
This isn't demonisation, it's just a statement of facts.
This also has nothing to do with the original lie that Ukraine's government is Nazi.
But that's a lie that no one in their right mind can dismiss as such. Even if the chance is ridiculously minute, no one wants to be the one to push Russia into nuclear warfare. You don't really need to lie or say the truth when you've got the ultimate deterrent.
Sure we can dismiss, because you cannot make policy based on the idea of "what if the person I am dealing with wants to get nuked". They can throw those things at any moment, even now, so its not at all a factor even worth considering.
Yeah, we are absolute about a free Ukraine, including Crimea.
The war was completely unnecessary. And the Russians can leave at any time with no loss to Russians. In fact, Russia would be far better off if they did.
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u/DogsReadingBooks Norway 1d ago
It’s actually wild. I don’t understand the people behaving like that. I doubt they would have liked so much to have their land taken away.