r/europe • u/JackRogers3 • 2d ago

News Newly discovered document adds evidence that Shroud of Turin is not Jesus' crucifixion shroud

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/08/29/newly-discovered-document-adds-evidence-that-shroud-of-turin-is-not-jesus-crucifixion-shro
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u/AdMean6001 1d ago

Honestly, who believed that? It was debunked by science decades ago. Since 1988, we have known that it dates back to the 13th or 14th century... even the bishop of Turin at the time accepted the findings.

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u/TrueRignak France 1d ago

My high school math teacher. He believed that his god make it looks like it was done a millenium later that it really was in order to recognize those with faith and those without.

It didn't make sense to me at that time, still doesn't, but well at least he was teaching maths and not physics or biology.

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u/AdMean6001 1d ago

...???... so according to him, God created a fake to find out who had faith in him when faced with a... fake ?

Hmmm... so I guess in his conception of God (apart from being a faker), those who believe in ‘false gods’ based on false information/object must also be good Christians.

What's more, that would mean that God lies and makes reality lie... so lying isn't actually a mortal sin?

Right, I have to stop trying to believe that there's any logic in any religion. All these guys are just fanatics who end up contradicting themselves all the time.

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u/CapableCollar 1d ago

The idea of things being a test pops up a lot in some denominations.  Evidence doesn't matter because everything is a test and only belief in God matters.  Terrifyingly big in the US.

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u/183672467 1d ago

So God deceived peopled...mhhh...I feel like deceiving came up in the bible a couple times, cant remember who it was associated with tho

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u/GalaXion24 Europe 1d ago

Especially funny when you consider mainstream Christians generally believe God is incapable of lying, since you know, he is Truth itself, and the "will of God" is not the same thing as a will of a person but really a part of His essence, thus God being deceitful would go against the essence of what he is. Truth cannot be a lie, it would just be contradictory.

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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In 1d ago

Reminds me of the whole young earth creationist thing that was big in the 90s and 2000s. They said that dinosaur fossils and carbon dating evidence were placed deliberately by God (or satan depending on the flavour of christian) to confound people.

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u/Calm-Bell-3188 Earth 1d ago

Exactly. No one really believed that.

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u/battleduck84 Rhineland-Palatinate (Germany) 1d ago

You severely underestimate the average Christian's ability to ignore even the most damning evidence that they may be wrong in their beliefs

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u/Otsde-St-9929 1d ago

As someone who works with C14 dating I can tell you doubt was reasonable.

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u/berejser These Islands 1d ago

There is a lot more evidence than just C14. Like the fact that the method of weaving used to make the cloth hadn't been developed during the 1st Century but was in common use around the time the shroud first shows up. Or the fact that the image of Jesus is holding his arms in a way that would be anatomically impossible. Or the fact that 1st Century Jewish burial practices didn't use one single shroud but instead used one for the body and a separate one for the head.

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u/Otsde-St-9929 1d ago

There is a lot more evidence than just C14. Like the fact that the method of weaving used to make the cloth hadn't been developed during the 1st Century but was in common use around the time the shroud first shows up.

They call it 3:1 herringbone twill. We have nearly linen from the period and no looms from Israel. I am sceptical that we really know for sure its history and if it was present in the first century in the region. Herring bone twill appear at Pompei (79 AD), not the same type, but we do have the exact same type from the late Roman world in wool. https://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2002/2002.03.29/ So its not much of a stretch that would appear in linen 100-300 years earlier.

Or the fact that the image of Jesus is holding his arms in a way that would be anatomically impossible.

I dont know about this argument. I will read up on it.

Or the fact that 1st Century Jewish burial practices didn't use one single shroud but instead used one for the body and a separate one for the head. That doesnt seem a strong argument. They may have had variation.

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u/Single-Area4303 17h ago

Yes and no.. maybe? I dont think its jesus shroud but it is intriguing! The carbon dating is controversial since they only tested one area and that area was damaged in a fire which would contaminate the sample.

But the most intriguing parts are that they still dont know what has ”colored” the cloth in the mans shape. There’s absolutely zero signs of any dyes, and nothing is folded or combed in different directions etc.

They have no clue what is causing the image. Super interesting

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u/AdMean6001 15h ago

Bas-relief, ferric oxide, gelatin and a little light... nothing mysterious about it, it was proven over 20 years ago and the elements were found on the shroud...

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u/Single-Area4303 5h ago

Mind showing me the papers on this? I’ve never heard of that at all.