r/europe • u/JackRogers3 • 2d ago

News Newly discovered document adds evidence that Shroud of Turin is not Jesus' crucifixion shroud

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2025/08/29/newly-discovered-document-adds-evidence-that-shroud-of-turin-is-not-jesus-crucifixion-shro
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u/AdMean6001 1d ago

Honestly, who believed that? It was debunked by science decades ago. Since 1988, we have known that it dates back to the 13th or 14th century... even the bishop of Turin at the time accepted the findings.

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u/TrueRignak France 1d ago

My high school math teacher. He believed that his god make it looks like it was done a millenium later that it really was in order to recognize those with faith and those without.

It didn't make sense to me at that time, still doesn't, but well at least he was teaching maths and not physics or biology.

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u/AdMean6001 1d ago

...???... so according to him, God created a fake to find out who had faith in him when faced with a... fake ?

Hmmm... so I guess in his conception of God (apart from being a faker), those who believe in ‘false gods’ based on false information/object must also be good Christians.

What's more, that would mean that God lies and makes reality lie... so lying isn't actually a mortal sin?

Right, I have to stop trying to believe that there's any logic in any religion. All these guys are just fanatics who end up contradicting themselves all the time.

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u/CapableCollar 1d ago

The idea of things being a test pops up a lot in some denominations.  Evidence doesn't matter because everything is a test and only belief in God matters.  Terrifyingly big in the US.

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u/183672467 1d ago

So God deceived peopled...mhhh...I feel like deceiving came up in the bible a couple times, cant remember who it was associated with tho

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u/GalaXion24 Europe 1d ago

Especially funny when you consider mainstream Christians generally believe God is incapable of lying, since you know, he is Truth itself, and the "will of God" is not the same thing as a will of a person but really a part of His essence, thus God being deceitful would go against the essence of what he is. Truth cannot be a lie, it would just be contradictory.

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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In 1d ago

Reminds me of the whole young earth creationist thing that was big in the 90s and 2000s. They said that dinosaur fossils and carbon dating evidence were placed deliberately by God (or satan depending on the flavour of christian) to confound people.