r/europe • u/Misztral Corsica (France) • 9h ago

Isrаеli military targets DW team in West Bаnk

https://corporate.dw.com/en/israeli-military-targets-dw-team-in-west-bank-incident-captured-on-video/a-73809709
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u/VigorousElk 8h ago

Once again there was probably a Hamas command post or weapons cache conveniently sitting right under the DW team's feet.

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u/OrangeRadiohead England 8h ago

but we're not going to evidence this, take our word for it, bro. And don't challenge this, or we'll label you antisemite.

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u/bigarsebiscuit United Kingdom 8h ago edited 8h ago

It's funny the little rendered propaganda videos they put out showing lairs that they supposedly build under hospitals. They're dreamed up to be like something a Bond villain might operate from. Back in the 2000s British newspapers would publish similar drawings showing the sophisticated subterranean bases that terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan were meant to use. It's mental that you can tell tales as tall as these and people will still believe you.

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 Czech Republic 8h ago

Deep rooted islamophobia plays a huge role. If Palestinians were seen as human beings, nobody would believe the propaganda.

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u/ChepaukPitch 7h ago

It isn’t just islamophobia. It is the belief in the developed liberal democracies that they are immune to propaganda, that everything their media tells them about other countries is true. Any exotic tale and they belief it. They don’t realize how crazy those tales sound to people who actually experience the realities that are narrated to them in an exaggerated version or sometimes completely cooked up.

I have seen no end of people believing every crazy thing about non European countries on this very sub.

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u/OrangeRadiohead England 8h ago

100% When senior members of the zionist government make statements, they further dehumanise these people by using terms such as 'pig'.

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u/blueberry_cupcake647 Milky Way 8h ago

exactly this

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u/Captain_no_Hindsight 5h ago

HAMAS' entire purpose in bringing in foreign journalists is to park them on top of military installations.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 2h ago

It was in the West Bank, dipshit, there's no Hamas in the West Bank. Foreign journalists cannot access Gaza, Israel denies them access.

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u/Unicorn_Colombo Czech Republic / New Zealand 1h ago

There is in fact Hamas in West Bank, Jenin is their base.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 1h ago

Insignificant and they don't control anything else. Was the DW team in Jenin? I'm pretty sure they weren't.

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u/thrrrrooowmeee 3h ago

LOL. Islamophobia was invented by terrorists. Good luck.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 2h ago

Israelis, you mean? They are the original Islamophobes.

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u/TacticalSniper 7h ago

I mean, if Palestinians would see Jews as human beings all this would be an issue in the first place. 

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u/Misztral Corsica (France) 7h ago

Palestinians opened their homes to Jewish refugees during the Holocaust, what are you talking about

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u/ilimlidevrimci Türkiye Free Palestine 7h ago

Yep, and historically, Muslim countries have been a refuge for Jews being chased out of Europe. Palestine has always been multicultural ever since Muslims took over. Im an ex-muslim and have many problems with the religion but this is definitely not one of them.

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u/c5k9 4h ago

This is something, that has some kernel of truth, but isn't really relevant. I can say the very same thing of Germany as it being a historic safe haven for Jews in the past. That still did not prevent the holocaust, because things and opinions change over the centuries. In the 19th and 20th century especially the Ottoman Empire was incredibly antisemitic and had regular pogroms and massacres against Jews.

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 1h ago

So how are Palestinians responsible for whatever the Ottomans did?

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u/c5k9 1h ago

I do not know who you are talking to here. I never said they were. The Palestinians are only somewhat responsible for turning away Jews during the holocaust, but they are just one of many people who are and they even have a better excuse than for example the USA.

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u/tablakapatarei 7h ago

Ah, and Gazan Palestinians aren't genocidal about Israelis?

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 Czech Republic 7h ago

Are you saying that the Israelis are like Hamas?

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u/tablakapatarei 7h ago

What? Why would I say this?

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 Czech Republic 7h ago

You're trying to say that Israelis being genocidal is fine because so are Palestinans right?

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u/tablakapatarei 7h ago

Israelis are not genocidal, they are fighting a legitimate war against a genocidal terrorist organization.

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u/Federal_Thanks7596 Czech Republic 7h ago

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-poll-62-of-israelis-say-there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza

Yeah, sure...

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u/tablakapatarei 7h ago

The Palestinian society supports the genocidal terrorist organization that rules Gaza...

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u/Misztral Corsica (France) 7h ago

By starving out an entire people? By killing 50,000 children?

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u/tablakapatarei 7h ago

Tell me which means does Israel have to fight against Hamas then? You have been reading too much Hamas propaganda...

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 6h ago edited 6h ago

If the civilians of Palestine are genocidal about Israelis they haven't acted on it successfully in the real world. So its more of a thought crime. Using an estimation of their thoughts on committing a genocide of israelis as an excuse to perform a real genocide on them should be as simple to denounce as the difference between a movie and reality. But it is beyond so many people on this sub.

The Palestinian's never had the capability to commit a genocide against Israel. Israel justified keeping them in open prisons for that reason. That was just about rationally coherent.

But now Israel can't turn around and say, after successfully ensuring no one in Gaza had the means to commit anything bigger than Oct 7th (fuck Hamas by the way, they deserve death for targeting civilians) that there is a danger or risk of a genocide coming from gaza. There is no real and present danger. It's a lie to invent that as a cover for what has happened in Gaza.

Whereas Israel has actually killed 14000 little children in Gaza and is currently starving the rest. That's not a movie. That's industrialized killing.

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u/tablakapatarei 4h ago

If the civilians of Palestine are genocidal about Israelis they haven't acted on it successfully in the real world.

Lol, what? Hamas organized a massive terrorist attack in 2023 and all of Gaza cheered... If Israel didn't eradicate Hamas, they would do that again and again, on as large of a scale as they are allowed to.

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 3h ago

You're confusing a) Hamas and b) Palestinian women and children and men who want or have nothing to do with Hamas and just want to live in peace and raise families.

In the case of a) kill as many as you like, they deserve no less for targeting innocent Israel civilians.

In the case of b) even if some of them cheered (that is another Zionist thinking mistake. Cheering your oppressor getting hit is not a crime. Only being part of the hit makes you responsible. Not that I think that many actually cheered. They knew well that huge suffering would come back on them as a consequence of Oct 7th).

It's just like support for the IDF (over 60%) of Israelis doesn't justify killing Israeli civilians.

So kill Hamas. That would be great. But don't kill civilians. That refuels the conflict for another generation. Everyone will suffer again for this over reaction to Oct 7th. Hamas is just an idea anyway. It cant be destroyed with bombs and bullets. It will grow back even faster and more deadly until israel realizes it can't have security while the Palestinians don't have justice.

Now you'll tell me about all the deals Israel offered the Palestinians that they refused and I'll tell you that for every deal Israel offered it too refused an offer from the Palestinians until netanyahu came along and stopped working for peace by fooling the Israeljs into thinking they could have security through technology.

Israel can't have security until it looks after justice for the Palestinians.

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u/tablakapatarei 3h ago

Hamas rules the territory where those Palestinian women and children and nonviolent men live, do not forget that. Hamas uses their territory and infrastructure for their war benefit. Hamas hides their legitimate targets behind civilians and civilian infrastructure - that does not make it illegal for Israel for target them, even if it may put civilians in danger. The war crime in this case has been committed by Hamas.

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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 3h ago edited 3h ago

That's a terrible moral argument. I've heard it from Zionists ever since this current war was started by Hamas. It isn't a question of a) once there is the presence of one Hamas member then b) you are morally or legally clear to obliterate the area. I know you know that too. Israel is clear to fight a war against Hamas and kill them all. Every last one of those civilian murdering bitches.

But my argument with Israel isn't even over the times they were targetting Hamas and civilians were killed as a consequence.

My argument with Israel is that they treat everyone in Gaza the same as they treat Hamas.

They deliberately targeted occupied apartment blocks that they knew were occupied by civilian families, and used oversized air bombs to flatten them to the ground. The area bombs they used were more expensive than the tactical sized air bombs or artillery they are well able to use to take out an apartment or even an entire corner of an apartment building (like we saw the other day when they killed the journalists. They can be very precise and they proved it).

Massive Air bombing doesn't block any of these phantom "tunnels" that they said they cared about. They could have targeted those with a ground penetrating missile between buildings and blocked the tunnels directly.

That bombing campaign was entirely out of proportion to the requirement of killing Hamas fighters. It was a punishment massacre of an entire civilian zone done in rage. The lies around this make Israel look like Putin's brutes. Israel has become a pariah because it targeted civilians for killing. Not because it targeted Hamas.

They chose to do this again and again over many months. Resulting in the deaths of 14000 little children.

We can't leave Israel unpunished for that. If we let them away with it it would stain our own souls and make us into hypocrites for our condemnation of other shithole countries around the world who do the same thing.

You can't target civilians and massacre them. And then slowly starve them. Israel needs to be forced to stop. Sanctions are the tool available to us.

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u/tablakapatarei 3h ago

Hamas rules Gaza and therefore put Gazan civilians under threat by positioning their military targets near civilians and civilian infrastructure. 100% Hamas' fault. Israel has every right to target Hamas military targets, even if they have been put near civilians.

And please don't write such lengthy comments, you are boring enough.

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u/unlearned2 7h ago

To be honest with you what is happening reminds me particularly of Stalin's policy toward minorities, 1990s Russian language toward Chechens, and the Chechen wars. Stalin arguing Chechens sided with Nazis and deporting them thousands of miles away, parts of the Israeli gvt making plans to transfer Gazans to Ethiopia, Libya, Indonesia, or South Sudan. Russians accusing Chechens of genocide and mass-enslavement of Russians in the 1990s, then killing 10% of Chechens, flattening Grozny and then funding its revival into a gimicky tinseley Dubai lookalike as their way of apologizing. Absurd story but history could yet echo itself.

Never forget that incitement to genocide, while being currently tolerated in Israel, technically carries the death penalty there. Who knows if we will one day see some level of justice meted out on that front, but it seems like the ideal vengeance for a much-abused judiciary if Netenjahu loses power and the next PM makes restoring rule of law his main aim a la Donald Tusk. Would hope genocidal attitudes of a subset of Gazans would not factor in such a court case, because that argument is like what Serbs would say about the Ustase, which does not necessarily lead to exoneration in court.

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u/tablakapatarei 4h ago

Gazans literally cheered when Hamas organized its terrorist attack against Israeli civilians. All hope for normal people ever sympathizing with Gazans died that day.

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u/unlearned2 3h ago edited 3h ago

I don't think Chechnya was particularly blameless either, and maybe a large number of them were collaborators - in fact the entire Axis were collaborators. But that doesn't mean deporting hundreds of thousands of people 1000s of miles away or letting many of them die was right. Stalin and his deportations ended up infamous in the West and even in his own country for a long time.

What is terror if it is not the smut videos that Chechens produced of Russian soldiers, or holding a school full of children hostage during the Beslan siege? Morbidity/cruelty/smut/gore are what they are, but none of it reduced the notoriety of Stalin's deportations 50 years prior. As far as I am concerned the mainstream of historians gave Stalin the treatment he deserved in their works, and the mainstream is critical of the leaders of Israel's operation in Gaza just the same way, there will be no exoneration.

I haven't mentioned how Arabs, eg Gazans, should be seen as having the potential to contribute constructively to politics in the Holy Land. Something Netenjahu-supporters seem not to acknowledge, judging by how be ruthless they were trying to expel an arab member of the Knesset (Ayman Odeh) mainly for being anti-war. There are probably lots of people in Gaza and the West Bank who would vote for a relative moderate like Odeh, and who Netanjahu-supporters would prefer to try to silence in just the same way. By all means encourage Hamas to be excluded from governments in the holy land, but do not then try to disenfranchise Hadash-Ta'al at the same time.

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u/tablakapatarei 3h ago

You actually think that the terrorist attacks in Russia were organized by Chechen terrorists? You sweet summer child...

in fact the entire Axis were collaborators.

Indeed, so were the Soviets who co-started WW2 in alliance with the Nazis in 1939-1941...

But that doesn't mean deporting hundreds of thousands of people 1000s of miles away or letting many of them die was right.

Correct, because that wasn't necessary for any war effort.

But Israel has no other choice to target Hamas military targets near Palestinian civilians and civilian infrastructure because... Hamas put their military targets behind civilians and civilian infrastructure...

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u/unlearned2 2h ago

The Beslan school siege was.

Right, so hardly anyone now thinks Axis collaborators should have been treated as Stalin treated the entire Chechen people, not even that Axis soldiers themselves should have been sent to the Gulags, even if it was tolerated at the time. Those were among Stalin's worst crimes. Yet Israel still seems intent on these deportations of Gazans. If there is a better historical parallel for the deportation plan tell me.

Why try to refocus from the "bad stuff" of the war to the "war effort"? It is not the war effort I am criticizing, it would be things like rampant incitement to genocide in Israel, nearly half of Israelis polled thinking they should treat a city's inhabitants the same way as Joshua did in 1500BC, the majority of polled Israeli Jews wanting Arabs deported from Israel itself, trying to plan a transfer of Gazans thousands of miles away, demolishing 5% of houses in Gaza in one year, and engineering a food distribution situation where the largest 12 massacres perpetrated by Israel and allies have already taken half as many lives as the largest 12 massacres by Croats in the Bosnian war.

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u/tablakapatarei 2h ago

I mean, the Beslan school siege was already after the main phase of the Second Chechen War.

Yet Israel still seems intent on these deportations of Gazans.

The Gazan society is fully backing genocidal Hamas terrorists...

Why try to refocus from the "bad stuff" of the war to the "war effort"?

Because your criticism is full of Hamas propaganda and delegitimizes the entire Israeli war effort. Israel does have a right to fight against Hamas.

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u/No2Hypocrites 5h ago

It's Palestinians mistake not being Ukrainian

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u/DogWarovich 6h ago

I really liked one video where the Israeli military, in justification of their attack on a hospital, showed a cache of brand new Kalashnikov assault rifles, shiny with oil, that they had found in the hospital. But they were lying right next to an MRI machine.

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u/Rapa2626 7h ago

Hamas did have litteral lairs to operate from. Same as vietkong or any other military force on a defence. Building underground structures is nothing new or surprising for a defending force.... what is so unbelievable about it? Its very optimal defence strategy because you become invulnerable to enemy munitions and no matter the level of religion or patriotism or whatever- every single person wpuld choose a protected spot to defend from than to be in the open.

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u/bigarsebiscuit United Kingdom 7h ago

Having tunnels is one thing, even cartels do that, but what they're showing is a sophisticated labyrinth with offices and patroling guards etc.

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u/Rapa2626 6h ago

And you think hamas with the help of parties interested in funding them to fight israel would not have a good enough center of operations? Yes, most of it will be barebone tunnels due to simple economic realities, but there are functions that need sophisticated equipment and conditions. They were not hurling rocks at israel- they were building their own rockets in underground facilities. Not to mention how leaders of religiously connected/motivated groups, that hamas still is, tend to have a cult of a person and it would not be fit to be sitting in dirt. North korea has 60% of their population starving, do you think kim jong un bunker is dirty old hole in the ground? Average russian is poor- do you think putins toilet seat in his bunker is made out of plastic? I do not think so. Hamas was never the less an organization with tens of thousands of members and they were capable of sophisticated operations.

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u/ahm911 6h ago

So Hamas is not good but Israeli military that's commiting genocide is alright... Sorry that doesn't work out

This double standard makes all justification attempts moot

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u/Rapa2626 6h ago

Did i try to justify either? Did i claim that i support either or that one of them is morally right while other is morally wrong? The only moot thing is your strawman attempts here.

I made an argument that hamas did have tunnel complexes present. Its not a secret, wehave plenty of footage of them and even more footage of them being destroyed.

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u/ahm911 5h ago

The only moot thing is your strawman attempts here.

In my list of concerns tunnels are far below states that commit genocide, and their constituents resounding support their efforts

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u/Rapa2626 4h ago

In my list of concerns tunnels are far below states that commit genocide, and their constituents resounding support their efforts

In mine too. But hamas was also using covert tacticts to commit genocide and proudly boasting about it while they had a chance.... Thats why, again, i do not support either of them over the other outside of specific case to case basis.

Do i want this whole hostilities to stop? Absolutely. Do i support palestine getting their independence? Absolutely. Do i support israel having their right to exist? Absolutely. Do I have a solution or good enough track of all atrrocities commited by either side? Not at all.

This whole dillema is way above my paygrade to narrow down into simple right/wrong, hence why i will never ever pretend like i hold one side over the other on a wider scale. Thats why i do prefer to deal with simpler questions like the one whether hamas had tunels and underground complexes present. Which they did.

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u/ahm911 4h ago

Tunnels are a herring to occupy attention while illegal colonial settlements are unfurled on more palestenian lands.

If your intention is only to highlight tunnels, go for it but this narrow scope sidelines the issue of genocide as if tunnels are somehow more important, when compared to nukes and the western funded killsquads israel is using in Gaza and WB.

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u/ilimlidevrimci Türkiye Free Palestine 7h ago

They are probably projecting about that also. We should take them as confessions.

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u/Ok_Math4576 7h ago

I think someone once called this kind of statement the “big lie” that the people will believe.

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u/TareasS Europe 6h ago

It reminds me of the early days of the Ukraine war, with the memes of the Ukrainian biologically enhanced super soldier labs lol.

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u/redlightsaber Spain 4h ago

And Germany will continue delaying any possible sanctions on Israel because "they our mates, and mates stick together".

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u/Mesonychia 7h ago

Those damn Hamas command posts always sneaking right under the feet of journalist!!

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u/polypolip 6h ago

It was the Hamas camera. Anything and anyone not actively killing people in Gaza is Hamas.

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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 7h ago

No khamaas in WB.

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u/Mimirovitch Europe 7h ago

German officials will apologize for this incident

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u/Enchantress4thewin 1h ago

Journalists went near a security checkpoint and filmed it. They were told not to or they would be hit with teargas - so they did.

Yes thats also bad, but the headline makes it sound like snipers targeted them or some horrible shit happend.

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u/LaunchTransient The Netherlands 1h ago

makes it sound like snipers targeted them or some horrible shit happend.

Matter of time. The average life expectancy of journalists in Gaza is foreshortened by a statistically unlikely amount for just "simple accidents and miscommunications".

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u/Enchantress4thewin 46m ago

There is a difference, this was in West Bank and international journalists working for international press.

There is no international press in gaza, only locals reporting/selling their story for/to international press.

Israel doesn't allow international press over safety reasons. Allegedly because some journalists died and al jazeera broadcasted troop positions and got soldiers killed as well.

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u/LaunchTransient The Netherlands 44m ago

Israel doesn't allow international press over safety reasons.

And other jokes you can tell yourself.

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u/Enchantress4thewin 18m ago

I mean thats the official reason, there for sure are many other reasons to not allow them as well.

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u/LaunchTransient The Netherlands 13m ago

Yeah but the "official reason" for Trump deploying troops to Chicago and D.C. is "to restore order and prevent crime". Official reasons are lip service.

The long and short of it is that Israel does not want reliable sources scrutinizing them, because they know full well what is happening on the ground. Even with an iron grip on who goes in and out of Gaza, information has seeped out and it's not looking good for their defence team at the ICC.

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u/Enchantress4thewin 7m ago

I have no clue about Trump and US politics, thats a totally different shit show.

Maybe you are right, maybe you are not, maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I'm not into the ICC loop, maybe something happens maybe not, the only recent news I found was that the Netanyahu chief prosecutor has some troubles himself. https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/aug/28/second-woman-accuses-icc-chief-prosecutor-karim-khan-of-sexual-misconduct

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u/KAMATISRED 9h ago edited 7h ago

A bbc team filmed an attack by settlers a week ago

BBC witnesses Israeli settlers' attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

The israelis burned farms, vehicles and then the military killed a palestinian 18 year old after the attack.

The israelis seem to operate under the Einsatzgruppen model: the settlers come in burn, kill and destroy. The military finishes off any resistance. The israeli troops are always at the wings of these attacks, ready to swoop in to defend them incase resistance escalates.

Israelis play it off by saying "don't break the law", "don't throw rocks". While ignoring everything else.

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u/xx-shalo-xx 6h ago

The IDF has killed so many reporters that Reuters stopped communicating the locations of theirs because that's safer for them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/gaza/news-group-stopped-sharing-gaza-locations-israel-many-journalists-kill-rcna227687

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u/Shameless_Bullshiter Bun Brexit 7h ago

Literally taking tactics from the Nazis

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u/Vlaladim 6h ago

The fact it similar to them is insulting, just show that they aren’t that creative at all. Just took their oppressors tactic and used them without a hint of irony

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u/Gawkhimmyz Denmark 5h ago

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you" -Nietzsche

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u/CapableCollar 2h ago

The writings of Primo Levi often spring to mind reading these articles.

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u/Hochwaehlchen World Citizen 11m ago

What did he write?

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u/TareasS Europe 6h ago

What do you expect? The current government has literal fascist parties as part of the coalition and even the prime minister supported the guy who ended Rabin's life because he dared to make a peace treaty and try to solve this crisis instead of continuing the colonization.

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u/DangerousCyclone 4h ago

This is an exaggeration. Rabin did make a radical step towards peace with the Palestinians by negotiating with them, however his vision wasn't fundamentally different from Netanyahu's last proposal from the first Trump Administration. In fact Rabin would call for more settlement blocs in the West Bank akin to those in Gaza at the time. His vision was "something less than a state" for the Palestinians, while Israel would get all of Jerusalem, annexation of the Gaza settlements, annexation of the WB settlements + the Jordan Valley.

Nor was Netanyahu as big of a break from peace policy as he would be in the 2010's. His first admin continued to implement the Oslo Accords, and when he returned to power over 10 years later, he stopped construction of new settlements in the West Bank.

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u/polypolip 6h ago

They learned from the best.

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u/Strange_Quark_9 4h ago

the settlers come in burn, kill and destroy. The military finishes off any resistance. The israeli troops are always at the wings of these attacks, ready to swoop in to defend them incase resistance escalates.

Basically the same strategy that was used during Manifest Destiny - and it was that which inspired Lebensraum, though it relied a lot more on the Wehrmacht pre-clearing the land for German resettlement due to Eastern Europe ("Nazi East") still being a lot more densely populated than the American West.

It feels like the Israeli method is a mix of these two precedents.

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u/OkKnowledge2064 Lower Saxony (Germany) 8h ago

clearly only an unlucky mistake for the 15th time

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u/TitaniumSlime 7h ago

15? Make it 500 000th. It's the 15th that you saw.

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u/ilimlidevrimci Türkiye Free Palestine 7h ago

15th this week.

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u/Enchantress4thewin 1h ago

it was no mistake, soldiers told the journalists not to go near and film a security checkpoint or they will get hit with tear gas - said thing happens. The headline makes it sound like people died or were shot at...

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u/Electronic_Number_75 42m ago

Did they have the right to do this though? This is not a warzone It wasn't even in israel territory.

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u/Enchantress4thewin 13m ago

Did they have the right to do this though? This is not a warzone It wasn't even in israel territory.

It is clearly a part of West Bank under Israeli control, because there was a checkpoint, I have no clue about laws in Israel, maybe its legal or maybe its not.

What happens in your country when you film a military checkpoint you are not allowed to film? Depending on the area and how important it is, the soldiers can be pretty chill or you are going to be arrested, shot at or also hit with tear gas. Without context its hard to tell...

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u/Worried_Exercise_937 8h ago

Boycott and divest

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u/cspetm 8h ago

We call on the Israeli government to ensure the safety of all journalists. Press freedom and the protection of media professionals are fundamental pillars of any democracy.

The Israeli government is far past this point. It's better to realize this, before risking one's life.

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u/ByGollie 3h ago

any democracy

Is Israel really a democracy when they deny citizenship and basic human rights to 40% of the population?

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u/MrTrollMcTrollface Kingdom of Württemberg (Germany) 3h ago

Let's wait and see how the German government will bend over backwards to justify the attacks, maybe German affiliated journalists are secretly Hamas agents?

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u/thepinkblues Éire 9m ago

They will apologise for their reporters being in the way of their use of illegal chemical weapons, forget this happened by tomorrow and scheduled brown nosing will recommence on Monday. Fucking cowards.

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u/turquoise_pants 8h ago

IDF is one of the world's most disgusting terrorist organizations

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u/JadeddMillennial 8h ago

Name a country that is attacking 5 other nations?

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u/LordWilburFussypants 8h ago

… the Fire Nation?

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u/SuggestionMedical736 The Netherlands 6h ago

I had almost coffee coming out of my nose.

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u/The_RedfuckingHood Bulgaria 7h ago

Bruh.

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u/GreenEyeOfADemon 🇮🇹 - EUROPE ENDS IN LUHANSK! 🇺🇦 Слава Україні!🇺🇦 40m ago

russia.

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u/OkAi0 28m ago

So many victims of Islamist propaganda. Europe might be lost…

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u/Misztral Corsica (France) 7h ago

Which ones, the 50,000 dead children, or the journalists?

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u/Lilfai Poland 7h ago

The DW team is a terrorist organization? TIL

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u/Overton_Glazier 7h ago

You said they are fighting a "genocidal terrorist group" in the West Bank... and you want to whine about people lacking knowledge? It's quite rich

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u/pham_nuwen_ European Union 9h ago

Fucking butchers man

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u/Acrobatic_Morning17 8h ago

Let's buy more weapons from them, that'll teach them

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u/OkAi0 32m ago

Bro, we‘re talking about tear gas…

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u/TheGreatLordVader 2h ago

Germany will still gobble on Israel's nuts after this 😂

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u/OopsWrongAirport 8h ago

Germany has been so emasculated. Its own state broadcaster is being harassed and they still are opposing even the most basic sanctions.

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u/CarpenterPast4428 1h ago

How about you you keep Germany out of your mouth?

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u/Significant_Tie_2129 Europe 7h ago

Tbh nobody cares about DW in Germany. It produces content primarily for international audience and Germans don't watch it

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u/redlightsaber Spain 4h ago

It doesn't matter. It's German journalists, WTF.

If they were a gang of German common criminals, they should care more than they're showing.

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u/Significant_Tie_2129 Europe 4h ago

I agree definitely. No doubt but I suspect zero actions will follow from the government and public because nobody knows those journalists.

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u/Few_Offer5509 4h ago

And the DW will probably apologize for the presence of their reporters

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u/koinaambachabhihai 7h ago

Best part is that I would not be surprised if DW still defends Israel attacking its own team.

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u/Nothereforstuff123 2h ago

DW didn't even call for the perpetrators to be arrested. Just vague notions of condemnation. Such a whipped nation of people.

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u/TitaniumSlime 7h ago

But did you see the burned babies that Khamas ate on October the 7th?? /s

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u/redlightsaber Spain 4h ago

Hang on, I was told not too long ago on this very sub that DW is a world-class example of perfectly fact-based and unbiased journalistm!

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u/koinaambachabhihai 1h ago

I think their news side is good enough, but not great. Like they literally went along with Elon Musk is autistic bullshit when he sieg heiled. But Germans love genocide a bit too much I suppose. I would say DW has any global reputation only because of the work done by DW documentary.

Edit: To be fair, i will still call them fact based. But you know, it is not exactly a beacon of journalism if you just factually read that "Israel killed 40 kids trying to get food from the air drop" and then just factually report "IDF says the kids with Khamas."

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u/Haruka_Sa 8h ago

Will many Western politicians, intellectuals, and bureaucrats continue to stay silent about Israel’s unlawful actions and human rights violations?

Criticizing and opposing what Israel and the Netanyahu government are doing does not make Europe a supporter of terrorism or anti-Semitic. On the contrary, Israelis are currently being subjected to intense

propaganda and their minds are being manipulated by the Netanyahu government. I believe Europeans should not remain silent and should take action to protect both Israelis and Palestinians.

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u/Urzuck Italy 8h ago

Will many Western politicians, intellectuals, and bureaucrats continue to stay silent about Israel’s unlawful actions and human rights violations?

Yes, and even if they speak, until they have the support of the US they will carry with their plan of displacement and genocide.

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u/TitaniumSlime 7h ago

until they have the support of the US they will carry with their plan of displacement and genocide

I find this rhetoric dangerous. Everyone should speak up. Let the US stay alone on this path. People lose faith in their government when they see their help to a country commiting a genocide.

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u/Urzuck Italy 7h ago

Well i agree with you, morally it's the right thing to do. But pragmatically the things are different, the US would make Europe pay dearly for that, and our withdrawal of support, both in commerce and in weapons will not change their plan, they will still go on with genocide and displacement of the entire population, probably forcing them all to go to Europe at that point as a blackmail. But these days i'm really ashamed to live in the west and watching a genocide supported by us unfold like this.

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u/TitaniumSlime 7h ago

Whatever action the US takes agains the EU will also hurt the US. And I'd rather have less food on my table than watch my government support murdering kids.

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u/Urzuck Italy 8h ago

What do you mean?

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u/DangerousCyclone 4h ago

The calculation is that, if they turn against Israel, it would strengthen Hamas' hand in negotiations and encourage more terrorist attacks like that of 10/7.

Of course, I think the cost has already been made bare for everyone to see.

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u/Mean-Survey-7721 7h ago

Will many Western politicians, intellectuals, and bureaucrats continue to stay silent about Israel’s unlawful actions and human rights violations?

Are you deaf? They are talking about it all the time. But they are not talking about the same thing from the arab side. One-sided lies are spreading from them.

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u/SaraHHHBK Castilla 5h ago

Germany will apologise and send another billion to Israel

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u/Movilitero Galicia (Spain) 8h ago

but because they were Hamas!

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u/TheDesertShark 2h ago edited 2h ago

Maybe one day this continent will realise that israel will (and even has) throw us under the bus to gain the smallest of benefits to themselves.

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u/Dilucc_ 4h ago

mistake number 16472771

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u/fluffrug 3h ago

What terrible reporting ... Fanny whatever her face didn't give any context about the West Bank, no info about why the IDF was roaming around in Ramallah, zero history about how this is Palestinian land with the IDF chopping it up in checkpoints, and no mention of the fact that settler and IDF violence has hugely increased since 7 October. She didn't even say what a setller was, fml.

This 'reporting' really made me angry - I know this area of Palestine well, and the IDF chucking tear gas at journalists, protestors and random Palestinians has been going on for decades. This is normal life there, and it annoys the fuck out of me that this German journalist is making out that she's risking her life by hanging out on a street corner, finally covering something (badly) that's been going on for many years.

The segue in to some random guy in Vienna is stupid - there are non-profits who protect press freedom in Ramallah, or Reporters Without Borders has an office and spokespeople in Beirut: why not ask them, rather than awkward studio chat in Vienna. 200 journalists have been murdered, and it's the deadliest conflict ever for journalists. Targeting press in conflict is a war crime, but somehow that never got mentioned coz I guess Germany. Maybe it's uncomfortable as Germany sells huge amounts of weapons to Israel, another fact neither the journalist or the dude in Vienna brings up.

The whole thing is just fucking woeful, and it makes me so angry that German media is passing this off as some kind of brave reporting, centring Euro journos in the middle of the story and then have her earnestly banging on about privilege. She doesn't even tell us anything about the Palestinian journalist, who he works for, what his photos look like, why he does this, where to find his work, what's happening, why the IDF are there, who is detained and why and how many and how long for, does he know the detained people, has he been detained before, if so, what happened, is he worried about his camera being damaged, is the IDF targeting him or other journalists in the West Bank .... etc etc etc

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u/albertoseptim117 1h ago

An evil, genocidal state that should be completely isolated and devasted by tariffs.

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u/kalaalo 3h ago

Again it’s «Khamassss» right ?

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u/Pwc9Z Czech Republic 2h ago

Everything I Hit is Hamas: The Israel Story

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u/Tardislass 1h ago

And yet Germany will say nothing to this authoritarian state. How many times do people have to say that Jewish=Israel? Israel is a an authoritarian state with a thug for leader. That Germans still have to support Israel as to be not labeled anti-semites is too much.

Support Jews and calling out Israel can be a thing. Lots of Israeli peace protestors are doing just that.

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u/DuckZealousideal2079 1h ago

KHAMAS TUNNELS UNDER DW!!!

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u/JaThatOneGooner Republika Kosova 🇽🇰 8h ago

Crazy considering DW works overtime to spread Islamophobic nonsense that right wing Germans (and other Europeans) cling onto religiously. Friendly fire?

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u/meckez 7h ago

What islamophobic nonsense are they sharing? Can you be more precise and show some examples?

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u/Careful-Set1485 7h ago

No, provide a single example. 

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u/tornadossx 8h ago

Funny they are very pro-immigrant in Turkey and Islamophobic in Germany

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u/Careful-Set1485 7h ago

Its not true, provide a single example 

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u/F_JUnderwood Turkey 6h ago

They constantly praise Erd*g and EU for their so-called "migration(bribery)" deal

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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 7h ago

Remember, no khamaas in WB

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u/chunek Slovenia 4h ago

Facts are antisemitic tho, do you condemn Hamas?

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u/undernew 2h ago

The fact is that Hamas has released dozens of martydom posters of Hamas members being killed in the West Bank, the whole claim is total nonsense.

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u/chunek Slovenia 1h ago

Maybe now things have changed, but there was no Hamas in WB when they attacked on 7th October.

If Israel wants to get rid of the Palestinians, it benefits them immensely, that the influence of Hamas is spreading. Also, the more Israel continues to expand, for example by illegally settling in the WB, the more radicalized the local civilians become, and then every pushback is treated as terrorism, antisemitism, etc. Then they can say they have a war against terrorism, even if its just people who are against being driven from their homes. It looks like that is what is going on, even tho there are actual terrorists among the Palestinians, who would be willing to die if it meant the destruction of Israel, it doesn't apologize the murder of civilians, thousands of children, dead, mutilated, starving, etc. What they are doing is inhumane, absolutely barbaric and full of hatred.

There is no distinction, everyone is seen as a terrorist, as a threat to Israel, everyone who is not completely supporting everything they do. This cannot be tolerated, because it simply cannot be true. Nuance exists, common sense exists, just not in the IDF it seems.

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u/undernew 1h ago

Maybe now things have changed, but there was no Hamas in WB when they attacked on 7th October.

Utter nonsense and shows a massive lack of knowledge of the West Bank itself, Hamas was deeply involved in the Second Intifada and many of the suicide bombings perpetrated by Hamas originated from the WB.

Here an article from 2014 mentioning Hamas strength being concentrated in areas of the WB.

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hamas.html

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u/Like-A-Lion-In-Zion 2h ago

Yes there is tho

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u/NeighborhoodEmpty534 7h ago

The title tends to mislead, at least I was first expecting they got lethal targeted:

„All three wore protective gear clearly marked "PRESS." Nevertheless, the soldiers fired tear gas, hitting the group, but no one was injured.“

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u/ilimlidevrimci Türkiye Free Palestine 7h ago edited 5h ago

Thanks for revealing your standards. They should only be mad if there is attempted murder, got it.

Fyi, targeting can mean many things. Even verbal assault or threats. They were clearly targeted to stop them from doing their job.

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u/phaesios 6h ago

With a substance forbidden in war.

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u/NeighborhoodEmpty534 5h ago

Right, but I would not define that as an act of war against Deutsche Welle soldiers.

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u/NeighborhoodEmpty534 5h ago

Thanks for explaining the word „targeting“ to me and accusing me of things, I never intended to say. Even if the title might be misleading, it should be obvious, that its not okay, to tear gas press. But as you see in the comments, I guess some people read the title as murder attempt.

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u/ma-chicken 1h ago

Fuck terrorists

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u/razzguy 5h ago

Hey know I heard one of the guys there knew a guy who knew a guy who's cousins best friends son once stood in an elevator next to a guy who's mom went to a pilates class with a guy who's neighbour took care of a hamas members cat while he was out on vacation.

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u/Mister-Psychology 9h ago

In West Bank it's pretty much a bother for anyone bothering IDF. It's an area under military occupation so they apply military rules and laws. If you break the law you will get a strickt military sentence not the lenient Israeli civilian one. Unless you have an Israeli ID.

DW are not unique. IDF tells all journalists to go away. They will tell you to stop filming many times over, then start raising their voice, then force you to leave. Journalists just want to ask questions, but IDF is never there to answer them so it's always this battle back and forth. Keep in mind these soldiers can't answer anything either as they have a rudimentary military training they don't actually know anything about politics. Their answers are useless anyhow. They are there to make sure no one breaks the law. That's it.

This applies to protestors and West Bank activists too. Many protests turn violent with stone throwers hiding in bushes then running away. So IDF is always on edge and the more DW journalists stick around to annoy them to answer the more IDF will get nervous. It's absolutely how it works as I've seen it many times on video.

It's seen in this documentary. He interviews the most extreme settlers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002bm1y

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u/t0xic_sh0t Portugal 8h ago

Found the settler.

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u/TareasS Europe 6h ago

Colonist*

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u/Xepeyon America 2h ago

What's the difference?

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u/TareasS Europe 57m ago

A settler is a more neutral term that just means someone who goes somewhere to make their home. Doesn't have to be driven by the policies of a nation state and it could very well be somewhere noone else lives. Colonist means that the government supports it and is involved and the goal is to claim land for the nation state at the expense of other people.

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u/KAMATISRED 8h ago edited 8h ago

Who is this comment for?

Who honestly believes the DW team threw rocks?

What was the bother here? Filming israeli crimes against humanity?

I swear pro israelis will say anything to sanewash israels conduct.

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u/Lilfai Poland 7h ago

Not even Goebbels can dream to perfect this kind of sanewashing

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u/bigarsebiscuit United Kingdom 9h ago

In West Bank it's pretty much a bother for anyone bothering IDF. It's an area under military occupation so they apply military rules and laws. If you break the law you will get a strickt military sentence not the lenient Israeli civilian one. Unless you have an Israeli ID.

Ooof. Yeah, this is pretty much the main controversy around the occupied territories and a large part of the basis of claims of apartheid

This applies to protestors and West Bank activists too. Many protests turn violent with stone throwers hiding in bushes then running away. So IDF is always on edge and the more DW journalists stick around to annoy them to answer the more IDF will get nervous. It's absolutely how it works as I've seen it many times on video.

Yet the IDF usually quite happily lurk behind settlers whilst they attack Palestinians. It's not so much about maintaining peace and order as it is about making sure that their people can punch without reply. Oxfam, France24, BBC, Channel 4, CNN and others have covered this disgraceful situation.

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u/Schnorch 8h ago

It's strange that the IDF is never “on edge” when settler terrorists carry out attacks. In these situations, they suddenly seem to be super relaxed... These mysterious changes in mood within the IDF should definitely be investigated scientifically.

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u/sickdanman 2h ago

Two different systems of law huh

sounds like apartheid to me

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u/Irie_Calder 6h ago

Go heal yourself

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u/Ok_Relation7695 7h ago

The whole lot of them should leave

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u/HansenHSV 1h ago

Very good. IDF all the way!