r/europe • u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 • 8h ago
Irish protester ‘repeatedly punched in the face by police’ during Gaza protest in Berlin
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-protester-repeatedly-punched-in-the-face-by-police-during-gaza-protest-in-berlin/a249856773.html281
u/Elegant-Chemical4466 5h ago
Facts of the matter:
- protest was peaceful
- protest was not registered
- police repeatedly punched protester in the face
My unsolicited opinion: punching a singular protester in the face is not an appropriate reaction to a protestor in an unregistered protest. Some might even say it’s an unlawful reaction.
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u/estrellaente 7h ago
I can't believe how many people justify police violence in this post. If we changed countries, would they still defend them?
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u/Rare_Opportunity2419 7h ago
Lots of people with authoritarian mindsets. They're not against jackboots stamping on the necks of dissenters if the right people are wearing them.
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u/bediaxenciJenD81gEEx 6h ago
Bots + this subreddit hates ireland
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u/Lazy-Common4741 5h ago
One of the most pro-EU countries that happens to get shit on relentlessly here
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u/MeggaMortY 5h ago
What, really? Why?
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u/panzgap Yemen 5h ago
Hasbara mindslaves
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u/MeggaMortY 5h ago
It's sad that it's working because every sort of messaging I've seen so far from that country has sounded like a poorly-written teenager's plea.
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u/lasttimechdckngths Europe 5h ago edited 5h ago
Some of those people love cops and cop violence like there's no tomorrow, unless it's some populist right-wing demonstration that gets touched a bit - while some even wouldn't mind that as they're 'centrists™'.
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u/InformationNew66 5h ago
This is typical reddit nowdays. Radically supporting authority and politicians.
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u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 7h ago
Yes
This is acceptable in Russia, turkey Serbia but ....Germany no way
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u/PutnikTZ 7h ago
Wtf? This is not acceptable in Russia, Serbia, Turkey or Germany. Should not be acceptable anywhere in the World.
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u/spooky-Dragonfruit1 7h ago
Haven’t you seen police brutality in cases of those countries? They’re beating the shit out of people without any consequences, so I’d say it’s acceptable (from government’s side) as there were no cops prosecuted for such actions.
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u/wizamoku 6h ago
And that’s wrong. They should be prosecuted. But because their governments aren’t democratic, they won’t be. And I hope you’re not insinuating Germany should become undemocratc like those countries.
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u/spooky-Dragonfruit1 6h ago
That is my exact point. And I am not insinuating it, though I have seen German police beating peaceful protesters while German politicians are talking about police brutality in Serbia and Georgia. So quite cynical, don’t you think?
Now of course, I understand Germany has issues with immigrants and their refusal to assimilate, but I thought peaceful protests are basic right in democracies.
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u/justadubliner Ireland 7h ago
It been the norm by German police against pro Palestinian protesters for many years. They beat them up and arrest them. Even anti zionist Jews get the same treatment.
Germany wants to ensure the Palestinians continue to pay the price for Germanys historical sins which explains why they are more brutal than any other European country towards such protesters.
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u/TESThrowSmile 6h ago
I can't believe how many people justify police violence in this post. If we changed countries, would they still defend them?
Honestly, as a non-white American, the thing I've noticed from the European-centric subs is the subtle, subconscious, white-supremecy talking points pushed out and openly supported on these subs.
I support Western Values, but im starting to realize at the top of Western Values is white supremacy. Yikes !
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u/whooo_me 5h ago
An angry policeman isn’t a policeman. He’s a thug in uniform.
And that’s not policing. It’s vanilla assault.
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u/vandrag Ireland 8h ago
The bot farms were ready for this one. Go go power brigaders.
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u/recursivereader 7h ago
Protests should be a space for peaceful demonstration and dialogue, not violence. It's important for authorities to reassess their approach to ensure people can protest safely....... The use of excessive force by police only fuels further anger and division.
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u/Low_Mistake_7748 6h ago
Fascinating how it's always bot farms when the narrative isn't aligned with the sub :)
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u/onarainyafternoon Dual Citizen (American/Hungarian) 6h ago
Huh? Yeah, that's exactly how it works. If the narrative shifts drastically from what it would normally be in this sub, then it's obviously being manipulated by outside forces. Your comment is so weird.
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u/CthulhusSoreTentacle Ireland 6h ago
It's a two month old account with a generic randomised name "Something_Something_Numbers". Not saying all users like this are bots/trolls, but there's a strong correlation.
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u/reddit-is-a-cunt 4h ago
Thank god thats not my naming scheme, thought I was a meant to be botting for a sec
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u/Doyoulikemyjorts 5h ago
Is this not perfectly on brand for this sub tho? It's one notch down from r/world news when it comes to Palestine.
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u/CalligoMiles Utrecht (Netherlands) 6h ago
The point is that bot farms aren't unique to the side you dislike. Or did we already forget how the whole Scottish independence movement fell silent when the Iranian internet got blown up, or the absolute piles of evidence on how they support absolutely anything and everything vaguely aligned against Israel and the West with the online narratives they push?
Just because you agree with a sentiment doesn't mean it can't also be heavily pushed by bots all the time.
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u/Bhdrbyr Turkey 6h ago
The point is that bot farms aren't unique to the side you dislike.
Opposing police brutality is being on some kind of side now? Oh well it looks like the right side to be on then lol
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u/CalligoMiles Utrecht (Netherlands) 6h ago edited 5h ago
Well, if you insist on being dense - even when you're objectively right on a point, that sentiment is still being amplified and exaggerated by bot farms too as part of the broader sides in the conflict it relates to. And Iran and its proxies have been doing that a whole lot bigger and better than Israel over the entire past decade if not longer.
Pointing it out as if it only happens when you disagree with what they're pushing just displays your lack of critical thinking and inability to form thoughts beyond what your tribe has declared good and evil.
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u/lasttimechdckngths Europe 5h ago
We all know that there are enough dedicated scum to bring in hordes, but it's hardly deniable that there are bots when it comes to this particular issue at least.
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u/Nachtwacht12 6h ago
The fact that those comments get to stay on top says enough about the alleged bot usage. It doesn't exist, and they don't like people have different opinions, and will be elitarian while suppressing those opinions and then be surprised theres a civil war in a few years
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u/ZestycloseGur8108 7h ago edited 7h ago
You're the bot, in every thread defending Israel and attacking protesters. So far you got 9 of the 88 comments in this one.
edit: The guy blocked me, so I can't respond to anything he writes. I would say people should look at his comment history, but he hides that for obvious reasons.
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u/Either-Detective-479 7h ago
I don’t understand, are you like pro Ukraine, anti Palestine? Imperialism is fine as long as it’s not your country?
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u/sjedinjenoStanje USA/Croatia 7h ago
I am. I'm against the entities that initiated wars against their neighbors that they seek to destroy because they don't consider them a legitimate country. Hamas started a war to destroy Israel, and Russia started a war to destroy Ukraine.
It's really not all that hard unless you have a hard-on for Israel, which about half of Europeans and most Arabs/Muslims do for obvious reasons.
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u/Weirdo9495 Europe 7h ago
Same here. Although i do not justify the police violence in question.
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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 7h ago
"everyone with another opinion than me has to be a bot."
Your bubble is showing...
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u/Toums95 7h ago
Look at any polls. People tend to be quite fed up about Israel and their government stance about it. I think you are the one in a bubble buddy
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u/samuel199228 8h ago edited 7h ago
Did the officer really need to punch the protester in the face should be sacked for that and charged for assault.
Just no need to do it
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u/AlwaysReadyGo British & Jordanian 7h ago
Of course not. I watched the video, he clearly wanted to punch her. He’s a violent man in the right position to get away with it. Brutalising protesters for the ‘right reasons,’ given how strongly Germany opposes justice for Palestinians.
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u/Rare_Walk_4845 7h ago
oh wow verbal abuse, better get to punching. if only there were some other way to detain a perp
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u/valtarri 7h ago
Europe is starting to willfully give away its rights to free speech, peaceful protest and privacy, and we're just supposed to take it and "comply' with these baseless new laws that equate denouncing a genocide to supporting terrorism and antisemitism, whilst giving total immunity to cops to beat the shit out of people? I'm all for proportionate use of law and order, but a good chunk of morons on here are just welcoming the rise of violent police states with open arms.
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u/Bonoisapox 8h ago edited 7h ago
Apparently an appropriate response to being verbally assaulted
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u/Rare_Opportunity2419 7h ago
Oh yeah, violence is definitely justified by mean words. \s
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u/meckez 8h ago
A punch in the face is not an appropriate response of the police to verbal assault. At least not in Germany.
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u/Fast-Presence-2004 7h ago
It usually isn’t. You don’t see police doing this often, not even at fast right rallies. It’s mostly when it gives to Palestine. Palestinians have been dehumanized for so long, people don’t see it anymore.
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u/justadubliner Ireland 7h ago
German police have been beating up Pro Palestinian protesters for years. Even long before the genocide. They are renowned for it.
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u/StinkyHotFemcel 8h ago
if this is what he feels safe to do in public imagine what he does at home to his wife
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u/MasterSafety374 8h ago
An iconic duo: Germany and state violence against dissenters.
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u/genshermansghosthost 7h ago
Right? I can’t see any downside to Germany, with a strong and growing fascist element, rearming itself and diverting funds to military, policing, and surveillance…
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u/luca3791 Denmark 7h ago
Verbal abuse of police doesn’t not constitute nor justify, punching a person in the face several times.
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u/ikarusproject Germany 7h ago
Which law allows violance against freedom of speech?
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u/syrian_samuel 7h ago
wtf does “offended physically” mean? She called them fat or something?
It’s quite telling if you feel repeatedly punching someone in the face because they said a bad word is reasonable
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u/Urzuck Italy 8h ago
She has more balls than all those little wankers put together.
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u/d_repz 6h ago
I hope that the Irish Government is on the case, this is NOT on!
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u/Irish_cynic Ireland 5h ago
RTE news : Ambassador contacts German officials over protest assault
http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0830/1530951-irish-gaza-berlin/
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u/d_repz 5h ago
Thanks.
They broke her (Kathy) arm and punched her repeatedly for allegedly being "verbally aggressive"?! Disgusting. I saw the video the day before yesterday and if anything she was trying to back off! These police officers are an embarrassment to Germany and should be severely sanctioned!
Wishing Kathy a speedy recovery. 🙏🏾
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u/Schnorch 5h ago
That won't happen.
You have to understand that in Germany there is no authority whose job it is to independently investigate possible police violence. Here, the police officer's colleagues are simply tasked with the “investigation.”
That's why German police officers are pretty much protected from prosecution, which is confirmed by practically every statistic available on the subject. There are other factors at play here, such as prosecutors who want to stay on good terms with the police because they work with them, etc., but that would be going too far now.
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u/manyworldsim 7h ago
Why does gender matter? Remember we're all equal right? Right?
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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 7h ago
"despite repeated orders” to leave the area, O’Brien “refused to comply and insulted verbally and offended physically, several police officers. There is clear evidence for verbal insults shouted by this individual, ranging from calling officers ‘genocide supporters’, ‘f\*king Nazis’ and ‘you should be ashamed of yourselves – there are babies starving’ among many more statements made.*"
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u/gobocork 5h ago
Oh no, did the words hurt their feelings? How dreadful! She very obviously did not assault the cops, which is why they used the very tenuous phrasing: "offended physically". You better believe, if she had actually assaulted anyone that is what they would have said.
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u/SilentBass75 7h ago
She did not assault the cop so.... she said some mean words
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u/Far_Advertising1005 6h ago
Complete and pathetic bootlicking from you.
“She called him a meanie word! Of course it’s fine that he violently assaulted her!” He’s a pathetic baby who should be fired immediately if he can’t handle being (rightfully) insulted
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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 7h ago
so...?
Insult an police officer in Germany as a "nazi" and you will find out. This "everybody with another opinion than me is a nazi"-nonsense will get you consequences here.
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u/Sexul_constructivist 6h ago
If you called me a nazi, and i started beating you in the face, would you call the police on me?
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u/noorderlijk 7h ago
If a cop behaves like a nazi, then he deserves to be called like that. We fought a war to get rid of such thugs, you know. Nazis and Gestapo like police have no place in our world.
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u/biggronklus 6h ago
If you call a cop a Nazi for clearing a protest and they beat you senseless they’re kinda acting like a Nazi lmao
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u/Svorky Germany 8h ago edited 7h ago
If you go to an illegal protest and then push back against police trying to remove you, you might get punched.
So nothing will happen. Legally they have a lot of leeway to "break resitance against Police measures". Use of force is valid here, it would just be a question of a judge judging it excessive or not. But it's almost certainly just not excessive enough to get police into trouble here.
As a bonus tip for her, I would not pursue legal action. She pushed him first, and police will (in this case likely successfully) countersue.
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u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 7h ago
Right to protest is as german as Bier
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u/justadubliner Ireland 7h ago
Not for pro Palestinian protesters. Even anti Zionist Jews get this treatment. Germany police have been beating up and arresting pro Palestinian protesters for many years. Germany wants to ensure the Palestinians continue to pay the price for Germanys sins. It's why they are second only to the US in providing the genociders with the means to commit the genocide.
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u/Habitatti 5h ago
The real kicker is that Israel wasn’t even founded for holocaust surviors, but for rich ethnic Jews (clarifying as religion has little to do with Zionism). Countless of less fortunate Jews were rejected from Israeli citizenship after the holocaust, namely Polish and Ukranian Jews.
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u/justadubliner Ireland 5h ago
Ethiopian Jews also didn't get a rousing welcome. Wasn't it as recent as decade ago they were forcing contraception on Ethiopians?! Truth is Israel was always going to end up as a brutal apartheid state. The type of character who believes they have the right to disposessess and subjugate native people in this day and age was always going to result in a country that resembles MAGA on steroids.
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u/justadubliner Ireland 5h ago
And they refused Ugandan Jews apparently but not white South African Jewish converts. Shades of the current Trumpistan attitude to refugees. https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/ra2MOqSlXG
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u/Svorky Germany 7h ago
You have the right to protest, police have the power to order you to disperse, you have the right to take it to the courts.
Do you see who strayed from the law where.
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u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 7h ago
Yes no argument there
There is "proportional response required"
This is not that
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u/Sea-Bend-5914 6h ago
This is how it started in Russia. Everyone has the right to protest. But the police also had the power to order the people to disperse. Everyone who didn't like it had the right to complain to the courts. Now we know how this story ended.
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 7h ago
As per Germanys own laws force must be “moderate and proportionate”. Is repeatedly punching a woman in the face for shoving you proportionate ?
I agree she laid hands on a police officer so if she got cuffed and removed I’d have to no sympathy but getting concussed is excessive.
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u/the_Dachshund 7h ago
Well it seems like you haven’t seen the video…
And it’s part of the job to control yourself. If all it needs for you to get that violent because of a little push, then you are wrong in your job.
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u/UNOvven Germany 7h ago
The protest was legal, the police had no right to attempt to remove anyone, he was using quartz sand gloves which are banned, and the use of force was excessive. This is probably one of the easiest lawsuits to win in a while. The police is already getting into trouble for constantly trying to illegally stop protests.
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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 6h ago
A little push back to get a shield out of your face is not violence. Are you suggesting a protester should move as if they are on wheels? It's not pushing forward into a defended place. It's just standing your ground on the public street, making a protest. The public street belongs to the public. The police are not the owners of the street. They are there to help secure the street for people. This protest was being attended by some other the people they are there to protect.
It's supposed to be noisy. It can sometimes not be applied for in advance. There is a genocide on. We have to show authority that if they dont act we are capable of causing disturbance.
None of that allows authority to punch you in the face, twice.
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u/An22x 8h ago
peaceful Palestine protesters
despite repeated orders” to leave the area, O’Brien “refused to comply and insulted verbally and offended physically, several police officers. There is clear evidence for verbal insults shouted by this individual, ranging from calling officers ‘genocide supporters’, ‘f**king Nazis’ and ‘you should be ashamed of yourselves – there are babies starving’ among many more statements made.
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u/Blueskyways 7h ago
Mean words are a green light for police to beat the hell out of someone apparently.
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u/2beHero 7h ago
Again: if you, as a police officer, feel threatened by someone's shouting and respond with escalation, then you are a baby with a weak nervous system and should not be in a position of authority lol.
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u/An22x 7h ago
Yes. And if you can't protest without seeking fights with the police officers, you should stay the fuck at home or deal with the consequences.
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u/Sexul_constructivist 6h ago
Of you assault somebody, because he called you names, you will go to jail for battery. Why do we hold police to a lower standard than regular civilians?
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u/polypolip 6h ago
Yes, protest by going to cemetery and lying yourself in the grave, quietly.
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u/bigdoinkloverperson 7h ago
Police are in function and should never resort to physical violence based on verbal abuse. If you can't do that don't become a cop lmao and you'd be chirping differently if the protestor was doing son for a cause you agree with typical hypocrisy
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u/An22x 6h ago
I literally agreed. Jesus Christ. Y'all are reading whatever the fuck you want.
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u/bigdoinkloverperson 6h ago
You didn't, saying if you're looking for fights (i.e. In this context protesting I mean that's already says a lot using the word fight) with police you should stay home that implied you think the consequences are justified or at least normal.
Maybe learn to write before accusing others of not being able to read
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u/ValeteAria 7h ago
The police is getting paid to do their job. If they cant do it they shouldnt be at the job.
If some words make you assault someone, then you are not fit to be a cop. It is that simple. Protesters are there to protest. In their free time. They aint getting paid.
The police officer is there because he is getting paid. So do your fucking job.
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u/An22x 7h ago
Exactly, they're doing their job. And their job was to clear the area. The protesters had Platzverweis, so the police had to make them move to a different location. If you can't understand that the cops were just doing their job, but instead go out of your way to insult them and seek physical confrontation while ignoring their order, I have zero sympathy for you. It's literally called fck around and find out.
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u/ValeteAria 6h ago
Exactly, they're doing their job. And their job was to clear the area.
You can also clear the area by shooting at everyone. Do you think thats a smart idea?
The protesters had Platzverweis, so the police had to make them move to a different location.
Right and you can do that in ways that dont require punching someone until their nose starts bleeding. What happend to using a baton against their thigh or other body parts?
If you can't understand that the cops were just doing their job, but instead go out of your way to insult them and seek physical confrontation while ignoring their order, I have zero sympathy for you. It's literally called fck around and find out.
Their job is to clear out the area. Not to beat up citizens. You can tell someone to leave your house without beating them up. I understand that it might be difficult to understand for people who arent civilized.
The police is supposed to clear out the area. Not turn it into fight club. They are taught how to clear an area. They have batons. You can use those batons or push people. You use them on non-lethal areas. You dont start punching people in the face. How is that supposed to make them leave the area? You punch someone in the face to hurt them.
I dont care for your sympathy. I highly doubt you got space for sympathy in that brain of yours. But sure, just dont complain when life hits you with the find out phase.
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u/lifeandtimes89 Ireland 7h ago
And if you can't protest without seeking fights with the police officers
Bruh what?
Seeking fights? Where in the video is she or anyone "seeking" fights?
Its a protest, a legally given right
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u/An22x 7h ago
If a cop tells you to move because you have freaking Platzverweis, but you repeatedly decide to move towards them while repeatedly insulting them, that is seeking fights in my books.
And no, there is no right to protest wherever the fuck you want. Protests need to be angemeldet und you have certain routes that you need to stick to, in order not to obstruct businesses, traffic etc, which these protesters willingly violated, so the cops Had to make them move.
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u/lifeandtimes89 Ireland 6h ago
Lol I'm all for protesting as long as it doesn't bother me or anyone else, sure they may as well go protest in a field then.
If it wasn't for protesting then there would be no change. But sure enjoy being genocide enablers. Nothing in this video gives that man the right to punch this woman repeatedly in the face
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u/elPerroAsalariado 7h ago
If a protest doesn't inconvenience anyone... Who would ever listen to it?
Have you seen the video? She was repeatedly hit in the face without a violent response from her side
Mean words
Ah yeah, that poor cop
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u/An22x 7h ago
I've seen the video, yes. The cops told them to leaves the area because they have Platzverweis. She didn't move. Cops continued to tell them they need to move in that direction. She didn't move. Cops tried to push the protestors in that direction. She literally moved towards the cops seeking confrontation. Obviously she then said some of the various insults that you can find in the press statement, so a cop punched her. And she continued to move towards them. Like bruh.
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u/elPerroAsalariado 7h ago
Have you seen any protest ever?
Are you implying what she was doing was either violent or that she had it coming?
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u/SwolePalmer Vatican City 5h ago
You should arch your back a little more if you’re going to do all this boot licking, boy. Come on, you can do it!
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u/TheManlyManperor 7h ago
"Oh no, this woman is calling me out for defending genocide and acting like the Nazis we pretend we've outgrown! I have to punch her to prove her right!" Isn't really the argument you think it is.
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u/Honest-Cantaloupe230 8h ago
where is video?
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u/Urzuck Italy 8h ago
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u/koi88 7h ago
I see tons of unlawful behaviour from the police. At 1:30, police are pushing the protesters though it's obvious they can't move faster.
This may cause a panic and must be avoided, especially as minors can be seen in the crowd (e.g. at 0:40, gets violently pushed as well).
Here we can see the policeman acts without reason: https://youtu.be/8SUln5weESQ?feature=shared&t=92
This guy is clearly unfit for his job and needs to be removed.
Though the real problem is Berlin's mayor.
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u/FrogOnABus Ireland 7h ago
We need to do something about Germany: Part 3.
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u/Mitrakov 5h ago
Ireland's prime minster sent his condolences to the German Embassy when Hitler died
whatcha gonna do, lol
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u/iLoveCoachQ 6h ago
If we’ve learned anything from history the side the German government is on is always wrong
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u/soalone34 5h ago
Germany’s position is that what israel is doing is wrong but so is protesting it.
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u/Toums95 8h ago edited 8h ago
Maybe she lives in Germany. I am Italian, I live in Hamburg and have participated to protests
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u/ignore_my_name 8h ago
What the hell is an Argentinian doing in a European subreddit
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u/Artistic-Bass3477 7h ago
What the fuck are irish protestors doing in germany lmao
This seems weirdly organized
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u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 7h ago
EU citizen
Freedom of movement to work/live travel....
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u/EcstaticYesterday605 Ireland 7h ago
Irish living in Germany, Germans live in Ireland. Is it really difficult to get in a time where EU citizens have freedom of movement?
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u/_Hiugans_ 7h ago
As an EU citizen I can move, work, and yes, protest in any EU country of my choosing so long as I follow any applicable laws.
Many EU citizens live and work in countries other than the one where they were born hence it is also true that those citizens can protest in other countries.
It’s not weird or out of place, it’s perfectly natural and requires no actual organization other than the protest’s organization to comply with local laws.
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u/_Druss_ Ireland 6h ago
Why are polish people living in other European countries?? 🫏
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u/BlackBaron44 7h ago
Standing for their rights with the occasional left thrown in for good measure.
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u/GlobalFriendship5855 7h ago
The comments here are incredibly disgusting. There's this one police officer who may or may not have acted correctly (which is for a judge to decide, not for randompeople on the internet who know nothing about the case other than the headline) and all of a sudden Germany is a "Nazi country" which "endangers all of Europe" and "shouldn't be allowed to rearm".
Please name me one country on earth without police violence. So by that logic every country is now a Nazi country, right?
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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 6h ago
This is not a one off, this is part of a pattern of official discrimination. The Berlin authorities have a problem with people who protest for justice for Palestine.
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u/ikarusproject Germany 6h ago
Not just Palestine. Berlin Police is has a tough response to all forms of protest against the government. Democratic Protest? Not when it bothers the politicians in Berlin. How dare you to criticize a democratically elected government? This is part of an increasing authoritarianism since the 90ies.
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u/Fluffy-Republic8610 6h ago
Thank you for the insight. I was losing hope that I would find a voice from germany on here that wasn't just defending the Berlin police in this case.
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u/Wonderful-Plastic-44 7h ago
Nazi Germans mad
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u/GlobalFriendship5855 6h ago
Everyone who is not extrem leftist is a Nazi and everyone who is not extremeright wing js a communist. At least according to strangers on the Internet.
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u/truthertz2 4h ago
You seem like a well informed individual, unfortunately your well informed on how German jackboots taste
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u/FinnMcKoolio 7h ago
What is an Irish Woman doing in Germany duurrrr? We're in the European Union you morons! Cant you think for a second before typing?