r/europe • u/Dazzling_Lobster3656 • 1d ago

Irish protester ‘repeatedly punched in the face by police’ during Gaza protest in Berlin

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-protester-repeatedly-punched-in-the-face-by-police-during-gaza-protest-in-berlin/a249856773.html
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u/Toums95 1d ago

Look at any polls. People tend to be quite fed up about Israel and their government stance about it. I think you are the one in a bubble buddy

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u/MiloticM2 1d ago

Look at any poll about Muslim terrorist governments and you’ll see people are pretty fed up. I don’t think you’re capable of critical thought.

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u/11160704 Germany 1d ago

When an Irish person is upset about the Irish government, they should protest in Dublin and not in Berlin.

The German government is not the Irish people's government.

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u/Toums95 1d ago

If the Irish person in question lives in Germany, they could protest the Irish government from Berlin. I see no issue with that.

Also if you live in Germany you are immersed in German society, possibly even contributing to it with your taxes. So you have all the right to be upset about what the German government does.

Last point, the European Union is an attempt to unify countries based on geography, history, society, beliefs, born from the ashes of a devastating war stemming from hate and division. As such, we are pushing for a European mindset and allow free movement of people and goods. I myself feel more European than Italian for example. Protesting (not necessarily about the genocide our politicians are enabling, I talk more in general) is something any European citizen should do regardless of the country in the union they live in. If to this you add that Germany is the beating heart of the European Union, it becomes even more important.

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u/11160704 Germany 1d ago

Might all be true but then the assumption of the comment I replied to is wrong.

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u/Toums95 1d ago

Sure, you can defnitely focus on the use of "their" instead of the idea conveyed which I think is quite straightforward. It's a choice

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u/11160704 Germany 1d ago

The idea conveyed is just wrong

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u/Toums95 1d ago

Why?

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u/SuggestionMedical736 The Netherlands 1d ago

Today, I learned that you can only stand up for basic human rights in the country for which you hold a passport. Thanks.

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u/11160704 Germany 1d ago

Read the previous comment again. It said people are upset about "their government"

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u/SuggestionMedical736 The Netherlands 1d ago

It's ironic how, when we protest against our government, they say we can't do anything, as the EU decides on the sanctions and our policy. But when we try to protest against one of the biggest hurdles of the EU not taking action, they say, Why are you not protesting your own country.

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u/11160704 Germany 1d ago

No that's not what I said. Better read it again

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u/SuggestionMedical736 The Netherlands 1d ago

Stop trying to pretend you're that deep. You made a judgment that she is upset with the Irish government, which you made up or got from one of your Facebook groups.

I am Dutch, and I am also angry at the German government. Because you consistently block any action we can take to make progress on this issue.

I never want to hear a German brag about how they learn about genocide and war crimes from birth, because it's clear, you didn't learn shit.

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u/11160704 Germany 1d ago

I did not get that from a Facebook group, I got it directly from the comment I replied to. You can read it up.

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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 1d ago edited 1d ago

Who is interest in polls? If you get asked something on the street and have to give one of four or five answers doesn't mean you care. It means you answered the question and go on about your day. Nobody cares. Israel understands that the whole political theater and virtue signaling is nothing worth giving any attention.

Israel literally is better than ever. Most enemy groups have lost support and Hamas is a shadow of it former self. The only thing that happens is that some states now say they will (maybe) recognize Palestine. Aka they do nothing at all.

But please.. think whatever makes you happy. The real world goes on.

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u/The-Nihilist-Marmot Portugal 1d ago

If no one cared you wouldn’t be here.

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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 1d ago

Yeah because an individual arguing with you kids is the same as the world caring about your little gatherings. Sure

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u/The-Nihilist-Marmot Portugal 1d ago edited 1d ago

I’m not saying that I’m one of those who’s pro-little gatherings or whatever. But what I’m seeing here is that you’re getting abnormally worked up about something that supposedly doesn’t matter, according to yourself.

The real world does indeed go on, and that goes for the fools that somehow think what is going down in Gaza will go well for Germany, Europe and the West as a whole.

Best case scenario, you antagonize half of the world and land on Russia’s trap, paving the way for the Mother of all Whatabouts with regards to the genocide that will go down in Ukraine within 5 to 10 years if the US terminally shits its pants.

Worst case scenario, you’ll be getting the above but also trigger another refugee crisis in the Middle East (on top of the one you’ll probably get from Ukraine / Eastern Europe) and you’ll have the Syrian Civil War mk2. That went well for everyone, as I’m sure you’ll recall.

It would be better if everyone just didn’t care over having some of you who supposedly “don’t care” ruining our position and rendering us more fragile over what really matters, and that we can do something about, and that is within a 2 hours flight of where you live.

If you really don’t care, then shut up, leave the little kids brandish their Palestinian flags, they’re nothing, but at least don’t spoil your / our position by defending the indefensible and then wonder in a few decades from now about “how our leadership was so short sighted for missing the obvious foreseeable aftershocks of the Gaza Crisis”.

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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 1d ago

"You're getting abnormally worked up about something..." while you write literally six paragraphs trying to make a point is quite funny.

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u/The-Nihilist-Marmot Portugal 1d ago edited 1d ago

But, unlike you, I never said the whole thing didn’t matter.

And, crucially, I wrote all of that sitting on my toilet and even managed not to disparage anyone as being “kids”. Now that’s funny.

If this is getting worked up, boy, do you have some reading to do! Sorry for all the fancy words.

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u/IdiAmini 1d ago

Germans trying not be a fan of genocide, impossible

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u/Toums95 1d ago

Whatever you say. Also notice how you quickly went from "Palestinian supporters are in a bubble" to "Maybe that's not true but nevertheless whatever they do doesn't matter". Keep moving the goalpost.

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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 1d ago

Palestinian supporters are not on a Bubble.

The „everybody with another opinion than me has to be a bot”-crowd is in a bubble. But nice try.

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u/Warm_Pool8092 1d ago

Israel is literally so better than ever that is now isolated worldwide, killed all its neighbours.. congratulations! Enjoy another 100 years of ruined reputation for your actions

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u/vomicyclin Berlin (Germany) 1d ago

It literally has better relations with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan than ever before. The Oct. 11 attack was literally trying to sabotage the ties between the states..

And what exactly do you mean by isolated?

Israel has to this day de facto no real consequences at all. The only thing that happened was Portugal and Ireland saying that wouldn’t but things they didn’t buy in the first place…

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u/EcstaticYesterday605 Ireland 1d ago

Israel literally is better than ever.

I suppose they did a good job a perfecting the art of ethnic cleansing using more sophisticated technology.

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u/SuggestionMedical736 The Netherlands 1d ago

Yeah, go Israel. We invaded Iraq because of your recommendation, found no weapons, got another couple of million civilians killed, and had to accept millions of refugees, which to this day costs money.

But hey, we served daddy Israel and their agenda, so it was worth it.

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u/TheIrishBread 1d ago

Can't wait to see your stance on the inevitable exodus from Syria and Lebanon when Israel gets done with Gaza and needs another manufactured existential crisis to stop Bibi going to court. Me thinks you will not be too receptive.