r/europe • u/Budget_Company1432 • 1d ago
News Macron vows to serve out presidential mandate despite budget crisis
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20250829-macron-vows-to-serve-out-mandate-to-its-end-despite-budget-crisis85
u/TrueRignak France 1d ago edited 1d ago
What would be the end game of him resigning anyway ? Who would be the front-runners ? Bardella, Mélenchon, Retailleau ? A far-right pro-Russian, a left-wing pro-Russian or a Christo-fascist. Good, we would be wrecked in any case.
If only he could stop being so stubborn and finally admit that his economic policy has failed and that he needs to compromise with the other republican parties of the Assembly.
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u/Beyllionaire 1d ago
Because every month without a government is a waste of time. France hasn't been productive since at least 2020. The more you wait, the worse the situation becomes.
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u/NoSemikolon24 1d ago
At least they managed to get rid of Le Pen....
It's something, I guess...
Also why the fuck are all leftists pro-Russian? Doesn't the left-spectrum have more than enough shit they could campaign with?!
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u/Kowlz1 1d ago
Not all of them are but Russians have been pandering to them in their external propaganda for literally 100 years. There’s a built in Soviet-era affinity for a lot of socialists. And understandably, a lot of left-leaning Westerners are appalled by the horrific things many Western countries have done over the last century and use that as an excuse to either overlook or refuse to learn about the horrible things the Soviets and Communist Chinese did during the Cold War.
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u/TrueRignak France 1d ago
Also why the fuck are all leftists pro-Russian?
Not all of them. The pro-russian is a minority within the left (it is only France Unbowed). The Green and the Socialists are pro-european, but they don't perform well at the presidential election. (for various reason having to do with the difficulty of winning with 4 different left-wing candidates and 2 others from the far-left)
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u/lieding 1d ago edited 1d ago
A fellow French citizen who lets the cat out of the bag. You forget to mention that the "Socialists" (the left that has compromised itself with economic liberalism; compatible with Macronism since the ranks of Macronists are full of them) saved the government at the beginning of the year, gave birth to Macron, and betrayed its electoral base during Hollande's presidential term which completely destroyed the party. They are a minority, contrary to what you say about the "France Unbowed" whom you easily summarize as good, bad, or not very good beyond the actual discourse because it's simpler that way, isn't it?
Appreciate reality for what it is, and stop making our European colleagues believe that the Greens have a chance too: it is a union party that is content to spout left-wing platitudes without ever proposing a program or measures. If Tondelier didn't know how to flood the media with her constant jokes, the Greens wouldn't even be heard.
All left-wing parties with any influence in France are pro-European. Except that some do not support its only real project for now: a liberal market economy in Europe (and that's about it).
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u/TrueRignak France 1d ago
They [the Socialists] are a minority, contrary to what you say about the "France Unbowed"
I didn't say that the Socialist were the majority, I said that the pro-russian stance from France Unbowed was the minority. And indeed, they have only 37% of the NFP seats in the Assembly.
Appreciate reality for what it is, and stop making our European colleagues believe that the Greens have a chance
I litteraly explained the contrary when I stated that they "don't perform well at the presidential election"
All left-wing parties with any influence in France are pro-European.
I would say that France Unbowed has some influence unfortunately, but except for that, yes, that's what I said.
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u/Soral_Justice_Warrio 20h ago
It comes from some partisans. I was present in LFI (Radical left) sympathizers during two years. Partly from the anti-atlantism inherited from the Cold War, partly because they today advocate for multipolar world so naturally they will see Russia and China as potential ally rather than enemies.
Then there’s this idea partly true that the world is dominated by western countries and culture , therefore they tend to oppress non-western countries which in return react a justified manner.
It’s not only them because cannot count the number of friends or even colleagues (I’m living in the region of Paris Paris) who say that Russia and China were partly defending themselves for the last 20 years. Even if they actually did something evil, Western countries don’t have the moral high ground because of colonialism.
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u/LittleSchwein1234 Slovakia 1d ago
Leftists are often pro-Russian because they love the USSR. Case in point, Robert Fico.
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u/Sircamembert 2h ago
The leftist have been exiled into the political wilderness for a while, and the Russians love to exploit that hatred of the establishment.
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u/Deucalion111 1d ago
But you forget the state of mine of this glorious president : « it is not a failure, it is just that it didn’t work » and his goonies : « I didn’t lie, the reality didn’t make me right »
They will never accept to admit their failure.
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u/dr_tardyhands 1d ago
But Putin is a victim of his own history. And he thinks the formative years of his life are how the world should be. If he admits defeat, it means his whole life was based on lies. ..he's never going to do that.
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u/Equivalent-Pound9512 1d ago
he is held hostage by the two big far left parties (LFI and RN)
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u/LordHandQyburn 1d ago
Resigning wont change the majority in the Parliament but idiots dont get that
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u/Neveed France 1d ago edited 1d ago
The problem isn't only with the lack of majority in the parliament, it's also caused by the president being unwilling to compromise, and instead appointing governments single mindedly focused on his party's political line and that won't form a coalition, reusing the same people again and again.
Yes I know he's not the only one who's playing stubborn in this situation, everyone has a part of blame, but he's the one who is supposed to fairly mediate the situation and he is not doing it. If he can't or doesn't want to do it, resigning can leave the seat for someone who will.
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u/LordHandQyburn 1d ago
The president unwilling to compromise? How is the president will to compromise will change the majority in the assembly
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u/PureCaramel5800 1d ago
Like Macron, don't like Macron - it really does not matter. France has be running a pro-cyclical deficit for a long time, France's budget deficit was 5.8% of its GDP in 2024, and GDP growth has been anemic like the most of western Europe and now the interest expense on the debt is skyrocketing.
France can either implement reforms or it might very well end up having to beg the IMF for money.
You can't have your cake and eat it!
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u/Greenelypse France 1d ago
Yes but when we try to reform then the average French person riots because ”tax the rich instead“. So we’re screwed.
Also I think we should both reform AND tax the rich.
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u/PureCaramel5800 1d ago edited 1d ago
I know, it's a really bad place France is in right now politically and financially. And I think that there is reason to blame all parties for the mess and I very much agree with the notion of the broadest shoulders carrying the heaviest load(progressive taxes). But I think that a lot of french people just don't seem to get how scary the bond market and increasing budget deficit really are looking. Either you find a way to pass reforms or this will get really bad, really fast.
I really hope that you find a way to pass needed reforms for the future of young french people and Europe!
Edit: Typo
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 1d ago
What would his resignation accomplish? He has 18 months left and he won’t be president anymore.
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u/Beyllionaire 1d ago
Every month that passes Without a functional government is wasted time for France. He needs to leave ASAP to save the country.
Him leaving is the only way to repair the parliament. 18 months is way too long.
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u/BuddyNo5007 2h ago
We can at least hope that the RN is in charge when the bond market crisis hits. They will lose millions of votes overnight.
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u/RDOmega 1d ago
My hunch here is that the fascists are leveraging conservative talking points to make him seem illegitimate.
This is why conservatism needs to die. It's fucking up everyone's political compass and tricking them into discarding the exact leaders the world needs right now.
Don't fall for conservatism and don't be a single issue thinker.
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u/Viguier France 1d ago
Even as a macronist I don't know if it's a good idea, the problem is I have no idea how to resolve the current situation. The National Assembly dissolution was clearly not a good idea. I clearly have a bad feeling for 2027.