USA under Trump no longer supports Serbia financially. Actually, we got hit with one of the higgest tarrifs, 35%. Democrats did fund our regime, hardcore, mosty via USAID, and mostly for woke shit, which ofc got stolen/laundered.
Russia gives us jackshit. We actually export arms to Ukraine. They do use us to avoid some sanctions, tho, afaik mostly small electronics. We do have a lot of Russians that fled Putin's regime that have settled here, mostly temporary until they can go to the richer West Europe.
China has a free trade agreement with us, they sell to us 4x than we to them. They're also mining and exploiting the shit otta East Serbia. They provided a fuckton of commie AI tyranical camera surveliance shit as well.
The EU is BY FAR the biggest financial supporter of Vucic's regime, giving BILIONS OF EUROS since he came to power. He received 300 million just in the last couple of weeks. If you dislike this, please write to your EU representative.
Well that’s just part of the cancellation of all foreign aid he could control as executive, which obviously isn’t everything. Miss the bit where he asked to make a trade deal at the same time he implemented the tariffs? He openly intends to continue, just on ostensibly better footing for the US.
Democrats did fund our regime…mostly for woke shit
The US has been sending aid to serbia for just about 30 years now, this isn’t a partisan effort. Though it’s funny to frame it as aid for the regime…but then say it was only to do dumb “woke stuff” anyway (specifically clean energy under Biden being the only obvious example) that is obviously for pointless, ineffectual and impractical purposes. Dodged a bullet I guess!
Not to say that Biden wasn’t criticized for his soft stance, rightly. But no need to exaggerate or try to push it as liberal weakness, while very strong and moral Trump would never do such a thing.
this isn’t a partisan effort. Though it’s funny to frame it as aid for the regime…but then say it was only to do dumb “woke stuff” anyway (specifically clean energy under Biden being the only obvious example) that is obviously for pointless, ineffectual and impractical purposes. Dodged a bullet I guess!
Serbia is a deeply homophobic country with zero gay rights - and Democrats were funding freak'n 780 genders thing. It's like paying to add a top floor on a building with a non-existent foundation.
To put it bluntly, ZERO of that money went for that purpose, it was simply stolen by our fascist regime, with the full knowledge of the people that diverted American tax payers mkney their way.
Oh, by the way, Democrats were the party that bombed the shit out of my country. Phillip Morris literally ordered an airstrike against our tobaco industry in Nis, that they later bought for jackshit. Even Bernie Sanders passionetly spoke and voted in favor of bombing the shit out of us, for defending ourselves against literal fucking drug dealer muslim terrorists that sold human freak'n organs, oh - and would latter fucking flock to fucking ISIS.
Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, the Democratic party members can devour feculence, and the people that support them are idiots.
But no need to exaggerate or try to push it as liberal weakness, while very strong and moral Trump would never do such a thing.
Trump is increasingly hostile to Vucic regime, pulling out of deals and stopping cashflow. If that evil stupid bitch won, she'd shower our dictator with fucking gold, and you know it.
But you’re doing the whole “they funded bad things but also the money was stolen so nothing was funded anyway” thing again. Gotta make up your mind on what scenario you’re criticizing. Though if you think groups that provide support to lgbtq people are something bad and “woke”…well I certainly won’t try to change your mind.
And sure, I won’t try to claim that US imperialism is a great thing. But your bizarre fixation on Democrats and as well as your apparent familiarity with US social issues in general is a bit strange.
Ultimately when it comes to fucking over other countries for no good reason, it’s a bipartisan tradition for the US. Republicans took us into Korea, then Democrat politicians kicked Vietnam into a full-scale conflict from the low-intensity issue it was prior. Republicans then took us into the middle east. Then Democrat administrations decided Serbia needed attention. And then Republicans took us into the middle east yet again. It’s a systemic problem with the country. Republicans certainly made it clear they were not opposed to taking action in Serbia, they just had political disagreements and enough still agreed outright to approve the campaign at first chance. The 90s were a very conservative time for everything.
In any case, you’re willfully deluding yourself if you have decided that Trump is somehow taking action against the regime. He called for a new trade agreement with serbia just like he’s done with every other country tariffs have been thrown at. That’s just simple, easily-verifiable fact that one can only ignore by pretending it isn’t happening. And his ceasing of executive foreign aid was total, not in any way specific to serbia. But feel free to live in fantasy as so many already feel they must do to convince themselves that he is in some way competent.
But you’re doing the whole “they funded bad things but also the money was stolen so nothing was funded anyway” thing again.
Oh dear. Ok, let me put it this way, its a metaphore: they sent us funds to build a seaside resort. Serbia is landlocked. They KNOW its landlocked, ergo, they KNOW the money will just get stolen.
Same shit happens with EU funds, btw, it all just ends up as real estate and in Cyprys bank accounts.
But feel free to live in fantasy as so many already feel they must do to convince themselves that he is in some way competent.
Trump is a guy with a great sense of humor that almost got shot in the head last year. He seems to be motivated mainly by a desire to make as much money as possible, and to be seen as a deal maker.
Whatever corporate cabal runs Democrats in the background was plunging us into single-party world tyrany at best, and WW3 at worst, so I don't give a flying fuck he's making your woke shit die, its irrelevant in the face of global anihilation.
And, again - Trump is mainly guided by pure interest - the second he thinks Vucic is going to be toppled and there's something to be gained (like pushung EU out), is one where our opposition gets financial and political support. With Democrats, there would be 0 chance of that.
But your bizarre fixation on Democrats
You know, when you're the party that voted to bomb the shit about my country, I'm not ginna have any good oppinion of you then.
your apparent familiarity with US social issues in general is a bit strange.
Oh, sorry, in Serbia we live in huts and use 56kb modems.
lol, now that’s an old classic worthy of my mother. Liberals hate borders and countries and distinct cultures! They dearly want a one-world government! You’ve very enthusiastically embraced the fantastical outrage bait I see. But that was clear from the unhinged gender bit.
Oh, I'm in favor of a world government, just not one that's gonna stick a camera up my ass.
But that was clear from the unhinged gender bit.
Ok, let me explain again: Serbia has zero gay rights. No adoption, no marrige, nothing. Zilch. If Dems wanted to actually help the gay population here, they would fund - critically and fn obviosly - safehouses for LGBT people. Its public fn knowledge we need those things, parents here disown their kids when they come out. And they would make sure the money goes where its supposed to go, versus being stolen.
Instead, they funded ideological language stuff that is predicated on actual gay stuff being there in the freakn law - like gay adoption and marriage, and general population being at least 50% okay with that. This money did not go for that purpose - instead, it was stolen by the ruling party.
(Oh, and Serbian language is gendered, so this is like trying to change English to use noun cases lol)
The way they steal is via govt contracts for stuff (e.g. a website) to (often) temporary companies owned by the regime. The contracts are always unreasonable, like 10m for a small foubtain, 1m for a clock, or 1.5m euros for a single page website done in Wordpress.
The natural conclusion here is that the Democratic party directly funded our fascist government, as they had full knowledge of where the money will go.
The actual cause is irrelevant, it could've been to fund a bridge or a software being built - its just lainfully obvious with the woke stuff, as we're in the 60s/70s when it comes to gay rights.
Personally, I'm all in favor of gay peeps being able to adopt and marry, which is somewhat rare in my country. Its also one of the things I dislike about the Trump admin, others being stuff like women rights, pushing of religion, and military help to Israel.
The cognitive problem you have - and that's shared by vast.majority in the West, due to extremey polarization and focus on identity politics - is inability to understand that its possible to like some people while disliking some of their actions, and to have values that are not boxed in - e.g. its possible to like Bernie Sanders and disagree on his stance in gun ownership, or to be in favor of abortion and anti-gay rights at the same time, or to be anti-immigration and in favor of communism-lvls social state.
If the EU stops giving money and market access then the people which are protesting will suffer first and get in a state of running for food rather than freedom.
Also, the government will start befriending Russia and China even more since their money would run dry.
So the EU pays for moderate stability and opportunity for the people. Even if this comes, ironically, with the means of the current ruling class to pay for remaining in power.
In the end, making sure people see the light at the end of the tunnel was probably worth it.
Don't give us that bullshit "But if we don't, then someone else will".
We have no armed forces capable of waging a war, we are surrounded by NATO states, there is no air, water, or land link to Russia possible, and MAJORITY of our population is anti-regime and anti-war.
The student-led movement is well on its way to sucesfully redefine 'Serbian' as a citisenship definition, not an ethnic and religious one; econimicaly, its on the left, and the only EU parties that support us are social democrat opposition parties.
The EU center right thats in power in most of Europe is in the same pan-European political organization as our fascist ruling party!!!
The EU is not paying for stability - they are paying for lithium, educated immigrants, and other natural and human resources.
If the EU stops giving money and market access then the people which are protesting will suffer first and get in a state of running for food rather than freedom.
If the EU stops its Vucic's supporters that go broke, as EU funds are what sustains them. The rest of us are honest working people, not parasites.
These are exactly the counter points your current government enjoys most.
The EU is not paying for stability - they are paying for lithium, educated immigrants, and other natural and human resources.
That's also what's paying the social class that's protesting. Unlike the poorer population that's ultranationalistic and supports your current regime.
That money is stability.
The alternative are more chinese and russian borrowings, more chinese companies (sometimes with chinese workers) and more poverty for your population. Exactly the kind of environment your fascist leaders loved and still love.
We have no armed forces capable of waging a war, we are surrounded by NATO states, there is no air, water, or land link to Russia possible, and MAJORITY of our population is anti-regime and anti-war.
Yes, you do. No one fears you'll wage war outside of the balkans, but in the balkans you are still the most powerful force.
And there are a lot of outside incentives to keep the area destabilized and keep Europe busy. The silent deal is that Serbia doesn't go on that road. And luckily even a mad man like Vucic accepted that deal.
That's also what's paying the social class that's protesting. Unlike the poorer population that's ultranationalistic and supports your current regime.
Lol, nope. The EU funds are laundered and given to SNS party members. I think I know my country better than you do. The social class that's anti-Vucic ranges from poor to upper middle class to wealthy entrepreneurs.
in the balkans you are still the most powerful force.
Dude... Srrbia had 6m people. Most of them are old af. Bulgaria alone has 3x the army we have. Again, we are literally surounded by NATO. There's one of the biggest NATO bases in Europe, in occupied south of our country. Wtf are we gonna do, send 5 tanks lol 😂
EU funds a fascist government due to economic interest. Deal with it, stop making bullshit excuses.
Are you Serbian? Who said anything about Bulgaria? Or attacking NATO? That's not on anyone's mind... it's Kosovo, Albania, Montenegro and let's not forget Bosnia... you can influence and powergrab all of them.
Lol, nope. The EU funds are laundered and given to SNS party members. I think I know my country better than you do. The social class that's anti-Vucic ranges from poor to upper middle class to wealthy entrepreneurs.
The EU funds are way harder to steal than any other funds. There are ways and the direct beneficiaries were surely members with political connections. But they were value added producers.
Furthermore, the greatest help isn't direct money, but market access and trade.
The social class that's now in the streets have their minimums met and the time to think for a better future. Something the poorest class doesn't. And to get here you needed money, working places and a minimum set of laws that allowed florishing out of outright poverty. The middle and wealthy that are on Vucic's side are just tapped at the system. The majority of his support doesn't come from those classes however.
Like I said in the beginning.. it's a catch 22 situation. If the EU cuts off access then the people that are now protesting will be the first to suffer (and wouldn't even get to today's situation).
On the other hand, the ruling class would remain the same people, just different objectives, and most likely be even harder to topple. Objectives that would probably be worse for everyone. Including the EU.
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u/Professional_Ant4133 Serbia 16d ago
Hate to break it to you, but:
USA under Trump no longer supports Serbia financially. Actually, we got hit with one of the higgest tarrifs, 35%. Democrats did fund our regime, hardcore, mosty via USAID, and mostly for woke shit, which ofc got stolen/laundered.
Russia gives us jackshit. We actually export arms to Ukraine. They do use us to avoid some sanctions, tho, afaik mostly small electronics. We do have a lot of Russians that fled Putin's regime that have settled here, mostly temporary until they can go to the richer West Europe.
China has a free trade agreement with us, they sell to us 4x than we to them. They're also mining and exploiting the shit otta East Serbia. They provided a fuckton of commie AI tyranical camera surveliance shit as well.
The EU is BY FAR the biggest financial supporter of Vucic's regime, giving BILIONS OF EUROS since he came to power. He received 300 million just in the last couple of weeks. If you dislike this, please write to your EU representative.