Croatian singer Maja Šuput sampled Golden boy in her new song Nisam ja za male stvari

[u/Pokestoppp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGYQV6JISQ

After Eleni Foureira's Sto Theo Me Paei, we got another sample of Israeli 2015 entry

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[u/fenksta]

Disclaimer: A lot of Balkan Pop and Folk use other songs like this. I really wanted to find out how this case to be, and it says that they've worked with Doron Medalie, who made the songs for Israel in 2015, 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2023

Not sure what the thinking is when you take the same melody and instrumental off of an already popular song, but I guess as long as the royalties end up where they are supposed to - it's all good

[u/Maester_Bates → u/fenksta]

Folk music tradition is a lot older than copyright laws. Refusing old melodies with new lyrics is part of the folk tradition in just about every culture in the world.

It's not unheard of in Pop music either. Rihanna's first hit, SOS, used the instrumental for Tainted Love by Soft Cell.

[u/Notpoligenova → u/Maester_Bates]

That’s a bit different. Folk music typically doesn’t have a copyright holder or an entity that owns a melody. Rihanna had to get permission from Soft Cell’s record label/producers to use the melody in her song. That’s just sampling.

[u/Maester_Bates → u/Notpoligenova]

It's only different because copyright law exists. The only reason folk music doesn't have a copywrite holder is because it is older than copyright law.

[u/Notpoligenova → u/Maester_Bates]

Yeah, but you were equating using a non-copy written folk song to using a copy written sample. It’s different.

[u/fenksta → u/Maester_Bates]

I mean, I make Hip Hop music. Sampling is a crucial part of it. In Rihanna's case, it's clearly a sample, but her production team didn't use the identical singing melody of Tainted Love - that's all I'm saying

[u/ChuckyLeeRay01 → u/fenksta]

It’s like when Ksenia (from Hurricane - Serbia 2021) took Dhurata Dora’s and Elvana Gjata’s song

Ksenia - Hir | Dhurata & Elvana - Gajde

Or Tea Tairovic doing multiple Serbian versions from Albanian songs like this one from Ronela Hajati [Albania 2022] (which was already a sample), but the instrumental Tea took is straight up the same

Tea - Dubai | Ronela - Leje

It reminds me of one time when Maya Berovic did a serbian version of Xhensila’s (original Albanian) song, and Xhensila was NOT having it. She said she didn’t agree on it, but her record company sold the song to Maya behind her back

Maya - Ale Ale | Xhensila - Ale Ale

There are MANY more examples. I dunno how they can get away with these things lol

[u/Pokestoppp → u/ChuckyLeeRay01]

Another example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvchbkh4jQY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZdxVhT4LL8&list=RDeZdxVhT4LL8&start_radio=1

There are MANY more examples. I dunno how they can get away with these things lol

They bought rights to the original song, just like David Guetta did with I'm blue for I'm good for example

[u/ChuckyLeeRay01 → u/Pokestoppp]

It’s just a bit weird to me how it works, especially in that case when Xhensila was against it and called them out for making the Serbian version. I wonder what’s going on behind the scenes and how many record labels fucks over the artists 😅

[u/mxrajxvii → u/ChuckyLeeRay01]

Basically the singers (as they don't have any writing credits, like most other Balkan popstars) do not have any sort of share in the licensing rights. That is to say, the authors are free to sell the song to whoever they want, with or without the consent of the artist. In general it isn't good practice obviously but in our music scene it happens a lot

[u/Savings_Ad_2532 → u/mxrajxvii]

I know that Željko Joksimović’s “7 Godina” sounds like Germany 1999, and Philipp Kirkorov (Russia 1995) often copies other songs.

[u/ESC-song-bot → u/Savings_Ad_2532]

Germany 1999 | Sürpriz - Reise nach Jerusalem – Kudüs'e Seyahat
Russia 1995 | Philipp Kirkorov - Kolybelnaya dlya vulkana

[u/fenksta → u/Pokestoppp]

just like David Guetta did with I'm blue

See that pisses me off. Yes, David Guetta is surely paying the guys from Eiffel 65 a ton of royalties, but that's just "let me take an old hit and put my name on it". It's not even a remix or sampled. I guess also the bigger the original song, the more it bothers me hahah

[u/Pokestoppp → u/fenksta]

I don't mind the song, in fact I actually like it more than the original, but I hate the fact that it started a trend of sampling in EDM. Literally 60% of post-2022 EDM hits are samples of older songs.

[u/toryn0 → u/fenksta]

somewhat OT but who is the guy in the vid? 👀 i see hes called sima and seems to be known from the (translated) replies under the vid

[u/Tip_Illustrious → u/toryn0]

It's Šime Elez (https://www.instagram.com/simeelez/). He was in the show Gospodin savršeni (transl. Mr. Perfect - Croatian version of The Bachelor).

[u/ESC-song-bot → u/fenksta]

Israel 2015 | Nadav Guedj - Golden Boy
Israel 2016 | Hovi Star - Made of Stars
Israel 2018 | Netta - Toy
Israel 2020 | Eden Alene - Feker Libi
Israel 2023 | Noa Kirel - Unicorn

[u/breadho]

sample? this is a cover lol

[u/Pet_Velvet → u/breadho]

Officially speaking this is still sampling because it has a different name and lyrics, but yeah this is de facto just a glorified cover

[u/kaunuu]

Koji ti je datum rođenja 😁