r/eurovision • u/xoxoamazingrace • 1d ago
💬 Discussion What’s next for Sweden in Eurovision? 🇸🇪
This may be a bit of a "weird" post considering Sweden’s been doing amazingly well this decade, but hear me out.
Eurovision has become much more competitive lately, and I’m personally in the opinion that Loreen (Tattoo), Cornelia and Kaj were much stronger entries than the (still very good) entries they sent in between 2016 and 2019 after Mans won. I think their entries in the latter half the last decade would’ve struggled to get the same placements in this decade of Eurovision.
Tusse, and dare I even say by extension Marcus and Martinus, have proven that also Sweden is "vulnerable" at this point and not necessarily guaranteed to do amazingly well with such entries.
I think they’ve pulled some incredible entries out of the bag so far with Loreen, Cornelia and Kaj, but I question if they’re gonna be able to keep it up this decade, or if the "male pop formula" is gonna continue and leave them at risk of not doing well (outside the top 10).
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u/Playful-Rope1590 Espresso macchiato 1d ago
Honestly why change? If it's not broken, don't fix it. Sweden usually gets crap for everything we send but let's not forget that a majority of voters do like what we send. Even if we just include televotes Sweden still does well and more often than not hits top 10. Even the year we did not qualify it reached top 10 with votes.
Only 5 times since jury introduction has Sweden not reached top 10 with votes which is more than most countries get. So why change? For a fandom that does not even decide the outcome?
I hope we just continue send what we like regardless of language or genre and hope for the best
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u/xShinePvP 1d ago
Is 9th place in one of the strongest years, as the host country, a bad result? Youre just grasping at things to complain at
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u/Cahootie 1d ago
This is a strange post. You're asking if Sweden can continue doing what it stopped doing in 2020, or if it has to change to what it has changed to.
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u/xoxoamazingrace 1d ago
What I’m alluding to is if they can keep up the standards of their entries such as KAJ and Cornelia and Loreen, or if they’ll keep sending those male pop songs in a current state of a more competitive Eurovision and miss out on the top 10s
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u/Playful-Rope1590 Espresso macchiato 1d ago
But you are assuming every male pop song will do bad with audience based on one song. That song was never a winning candidate. And seeing how everybody thought it would end up somewhere mid table it did better than expected. ESC sucees is not tied to specific genres. Male pop songs can do well if they have appeal.
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u/sqrrlbot 1d ago
Up until this year all people talked about was how Sweden was the unstoppable juggernaut of Eurovision who knew how to play the game and always got results, so this is a bit of a weird way to come at it. I think the question is more: now that Sweden tried something different and still got similar results, will we keep trying out new things or will we default back to the basic English pop formula we've run with since 2011? I hope we keep trying new things - you don't stay top of the game by stagnating, and the contest is always better when countries dare to experiement against formula.
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u/LonelyTreat3725 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lol, Sweden got top 10 in a year (2024) when they did anything they could to do bad at a point of self sabotaging..
Thats' not really a sign of "sweden is at risk of not doing well"
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u/Playful-Rope1590 Espresso macchiato 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't believe this sabotage talk. Why would any country voluntarily sabotage themselves? Let alone SVT? They always go for gold, even when hosting. The winner's mentality from SVT is well known in the fandom And even if fhey set out to sabotage they did not do a good job then. It still was a very slick professional performance as usual from Sweden. And for once it actually looked better on the ESC stage than in Mello since they used the stage more.
There was no need to sabotage. The song was not a winner candidate eitherway so kinda pointless to sabotage it
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u/Prestigious-Arm-1619 1d ago
i cant lie unforgettable is so forgettable i forgot it even got top 10
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u/Ok-Machine-2259 1d ago
Besides the running order, in what other ways were they making bad decisions/self-sabotaging?
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u/Playful-Rope1590 Espresso macchiato 1d ago
And they did not even choose the running order themselves! If anything the producers would be the saboteurs but seeing the professionalism of the entry it's hard to say anything was sabotaged
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u/xoxoamazingrace 1d ago edited 1d ago
I was just using 2024 as a reference. 9th is obviously a good result, but at the same time not that far away from missing out on the top 10
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u/LonelyTreat3725 1d ago
but at the same time not that far away from missing out of the top 10
Frankly, 9th while self sabotaging with the choice of being first in the running order is more impressive than getting a top 5 in normal conditions.
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u/xoxoamazingrace 1d ago
Forgive me, but wasn’t them going first in the running order by draw?
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u/LonelyTreat3725 1d ago edited 1d ago
No, not by draw.
They chose to go first by themselves
And the draw doesn't even set the running order position, only first half, second half or "producers choice"
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u/jb108822 1d ago
Not true. They drew a random number out of a bag, and it just so happened that they drew number 1 in the running order.
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u/Persona_NG (nendest) narkootikumidest ei tea me (küll) midagi 1d ago
The host of the contest draws their position separately from everyone so it's random e.g. to avoid any bias from the organizers who might give themselves a favorable spot. Also, it happens months before the contest - meanwhile other participants draw when they'll perform right after each semi-finals end.
Here's an article from last year talking about Sweden being 1st in the RO and you can see that it was posted mid-March (I assume right after the NF season ended).
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u/SimoSanto 1d ago
That's wrong on many levels, they draw a random number from a bag (in their case 1), they didn't choose anything, and also the draw with the halfs and prod. choice is a separate draw that happens months later for all the countreis aside from the host, you are mixing things.
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u/xoxoamazingrace 1d ago
Didn’t know that.
But Ukraine got over 300 points from slot #2. And no, their great televote score definitely didn’t boil down to only diaspora/war
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u/SimoSanto 1d ago
They didn't choose the start 1st, the number is random, LonelyTreat confused the 2 draws.
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u/LonelyTreat3725 1d ago
And that makes a top10, running 1st in the order just before a televote favourite, even more impressive...
The point is, Svt did everything they could not to win and still arrived top 10...
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u/Persona_NG (nendest) narkootikumidest ei tea me (küll) midagi 1d ago
Svt did everything they could not to win
But did they really? It's not like the production was cheap. They put actual effort/money into the staging, so it didn't look any cheaper than in other years. And I feel like Marcus and Martinus were promoted just as much as other participants. I'm not even a huge fan of that song, but I wouldn't say it was sabotaged to look bad.
Also, I don't feel like they even needed to sabotage anything. It's not like "Unforgettable" was ever in danger of winning and even people who love that entry would probably admit that.
(And, like I've mentioned in other comment, the RO slot was random. They didn't put themselves 1st on purpose. It was just a weird coincidence.)
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u/eurovisionfanGA 1d ago
If Eurofans had their way, Sweden would never send another English pop song to Eurovision ever again.
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u/PraetorIt 1d ago
«Never» I think not, since there are those who complain about understanding the song "while listening", but certainly less frequently.
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u/Vivid_Guide7467 Kiss Kiss Goodbye 1d ago
What’s next? Another win probably.
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u/Playful-Rope1590 Espresso macchiato 1d ago
Sweden is probably more closer to a 8th win than Ireland...
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u/euro_song_love_r 1d ago
I think that at some point, other countries will dominate Eurovision more and Sweden could slip below the top 15. Sweden had a positive slip-up this year. Unfortunately, all the Melodifestivalen shows are always structured according to a certain pattern, and artists often win simply because of hype, popularity or a large social media community. The Swedish concept of finding an entry is constrained by this framework. Other countries are simply much freer and can select internal artists, then hold national selections again and see what suits them best. Examples here would be Austria, France, Belgium or Poland. And I don't know about anyone else, but I can't listen to all these smooth, English-language songs anymore. The era of entries like ‘I Can't Go On’ or ‘Million Voices’ is somehow over. People want more entries in national language, more originality, just something different, partly more genuine cultural influences and no songs that sound like they're from BBC Radio 1. KAJ was a one-off phenomenon and next year some well-known Mello artist will come along and put on a crazy light show with an English-language pop song.
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u/PraetorIt 1d ago
I don't know. If MelFest continues to follow the pattern you write about, then it will continue to have the support, and the votes, of the fans who appreciate those style of songs, ESC stereotypical or very commercial, create with this idea in mind.
A fairly concentrated votes, I think, unlike that of those who prefer something different, which understandably gets dispersed.
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u/Rare_Fishing_7948 Hard Rock Hallelujah 1d ago
Ghost is the only thing that can make me vote for Sweden
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