Regardless of any “empathy” you wanna moralize about, it’s simple triage. You wanna maximize the quality of life in a situation? Don’t make the child birth the product of their rape, you low-tier trolling dumbfuck
preteen burdened with the physical labor of pregnancy
extraordinary risk to the child’s life during birth
higher chance for birth defects in fetus
extraordinarily higher risk to fetus’ life during birth
mental trauma associated with giving birth as a child
would likely require a wet nurse/pure formula diet due to the being physically undeveloped
pervasive “social pariah” status due to having a fucking kid while in middle school
would likely have to drop out and may never complete an education
would be entirely reliant on family members’ charity to raise the baby
would potentially be reliant on family member’s charity for the rest of her life, having had several years of her life taken from her flatlining her early development and ability to support herself
impossible relationship with her baby as the age gap between them is less than the age gap between some siblings
overall personhood status crippled as her most notable accomplishment in life is being a glorified incubation chamber for her rapist
baby, even if born healthy, is saddled with the emotional trauma that their mother will never be able to traditionally care for them and that they are a product of rape, also alienating them from their peers
Yeah man, you’ve put a lot of thought into this I can tell. Even the Bible says there is a time to kill (Ecclesiastes 3:3). You can think of it as a form of self defense killing if that appeals to your American 2A mindset better
So you do everything you can to save both. That's all there is to it. The Bible never says there's a time to kill innocents. And a baby having trouble in life is never an excuse to kill him or her--if it were, we'd euthanize orphans.
I gave you the book and chapter and you didn’t even crack it open lmao. “A time for all everything and a season for all activities under the heavens”. You don’t know your own faith
Dude, I know the verse. It's not saying there's a time to kill children--don't be ridiculous. Under your weird interpretation, there would also be a time for rape. Can we move on to a more relevant argument?
Maybe there is, I don’t know. There are astounding contradictions in the Bible. There’s an extensive list of baby killings endorsed, some committed by man and some ordained by God. David slew 200 philistines for shits and giggles. Jesus who practiced incredible pacifism whipped moneylenders out of a temple. The Holy Spirit was killing people as late as Peter’s time just for not being charitable enough.
I moved on to the religious argument because that’s clearly where you draw your logic from. I gave a pretty extensive (and still not entirely comprehensive) rundown of how much giving birth would fuck a child up and you just ignored it to say “erm actually we should just take incredible risks for them to both live”. It’s less like euthanizing orphans and more like aborting a harlequin baby or euthanizing someone in an iron lung. It is a borderline life-ending situation they will never be free from. You are arguing for a ten year old to give birth. That’s like one step away from “oh the rapist was just fulfilling the natural reproductive cycle”
War is tough. There are extenuating circumstances. That doesn't mean killing any baby in the womb is okay. And you know what hurts a child more than being born under less than ideal circumstances? Being killed. I'm not arguing for a ten-year-old to give birth. I'm arguing that everything possible should be done for both the mother and the child in that instance. This has nothing to do with any sort of supposed "natural reproductive cycle."
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u/yoboom21 3d ago
Y'all need to respect his beliefs. His belief is that empathy doesn't deserve respect. And he died on that hill.