r/facepalm • u/IrishStarUS • 7d ago
đ˛âđŽâđ¸âđ¨â JD Vance mocked for claiming WW2 ended with 'negotiation' in major blunder
https://www.irishstar.com/news/politics/jd-vance-mocked-claiming-ww2-357854202.6k
u/jwr1111 7d ago
It's just embarrassing to be an American, with morals, these days.
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u/LordTinglewood 7d ago
It really is a burden these days to have enough awareness to feel embarrassment. People like us have to feel embarrassed for those who lack the same awareness.
I don't know about you, but I'm pulling overtime to feel enough embarrassment to cover for maga and the other unembarrasables.
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u/nomadicsoul79 7d ago edited 7d ago
Your time will come.
Edit: To those confused, let me say, OUR time will come. Tyranny, bigotry and a general disdain for humanity doesn't and cannot persevere. That's what makes us human.
The need to feel good about ourselves, the need to be better than yesterday, the need to be there for our fellow human.
Fuck Fascism. Hopefully this is explicit enough.
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u/M3RV-89 7d ago
I can't tell if this is a threat or a promise of hope lol
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u/shiny_glitter_demon 7d ago
It's both. Depending on the side you're on.
History will judge MAGA harshly.
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u/ansaonapostcard 7d ago
The one thing about MAGA is that if the facts don't match their reality, they'll make up their own. I think history will be split between those able to follow actual events and those only able to follow a narrative that is supported by their own bias.
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u/shiny_glitter_demon 7d ago
The rest of the world is keeping records
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u/Crazy_System8248 7d ago
Please do. Hopefully these fucks will start phasing out permanently and we can return to sanity. It's so depressing over here.
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u/hurricaneRoo1 7d ago
Great! Help us by electing politicians who arenât spineless morons who will kowtow to Trump.
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u/72camaroguy 7d ago
That, and with todays media, social and otherwise, it will be impossible to rewrite the narrative. Everybody will have receipts.
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u/mercasio391 7d ago
Thatâs exactly what happened with a bunch of the axis powerâs populations after WW2, but the vast majority of the world, outside of extremist circles all agree now on the majority of how it was and how it went.
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u/smegsicle 7d ago
Naaah. Once MAGA's done with America, y'all won't be able to spell history.
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u/shiny_glitter_demon 7d ago
Don't "y'all" me. The rest of the world exists. We are keeping records.
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u/James_099 7d ago
Itâs embarrassing to be an American right now, period. Iâm so ashamed of my country.
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u/LoudNoises89 7d ago
Itâs embarrassing bc they our making us look more dumb that everyone thinks we are. Other countries already didnât like the US but now they probably think they can get away with anything bc we donât know how to do anything anymore.
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u/Laura9624 7d ago
He's thinking of what led to ww2. Agreeing to let Germany have part of Czechoslovakia. Germany of course invaded the rest anyway.
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u/texachusetts 7d ago
Donât tell me immigrants are ALIENS, when youâre spouting weirdly wrong stuff like this. It is hard to think of a more skin bag take on American history. Saying âhamburgers are made from porkâ wouldnât be as culturally clueless.
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u/LingonberryPrior6896 7d ago
I am beginning to think an Ivy League education isn't worth all that much
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u/journeymanSF 7d ago
I have an Ivy League education. It was a weird mix of the most brilliant people Iâve ever met who worked their asses off to get there, many whom Iâm still lifelong friends with, and some of the dumbest people Iâve ever met.
Not all bad people, but I remember some kids at Penn, and just thinking, Ive met this guy before, but he works in my hometown at the gas station and sold me weed. Same person, just different circumstances.
Really put into perspective how some people can just coast their entire lives. No real worries, always unlimited family money to fall back on. Money buys everything, degrees, presidencies, more money.
Ivanka was in my class. Trump also went there. Btw, neither of them âwent to Wharton.â That specifically means you have a graduate degree from the Wharton business school. They both have undergrad degrees from UPenn, just like me, and none of us âwent to Whartonâ.
Iâm in my 40s, still paying off my loans, and I operate arcade and pinball games for a livingâŚ. So yeah, super worth it. Jokes aside, Iâm doing exactly what I want to be doing.
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u/unkyduck 7d ago
My mate spends his retirement days restoring and upgrading his extensive collection of vintage pinball machines to LEDs. A nice mix of kluging mechanics and electro-tinkering
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u/whatproblems 7d ago
or marines either apparently
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u/raimichick 7d ago
Hey leave us out of it đ
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u/usaf5 7d ago
Show me a marine didnt eat crayons and ill show you JD Vance
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u/UnholyAbductor 7d ago
Homie got the instructions wrong and shoved them up his nose instead of chowing down on them.
Hence all these brain damaged takes.
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u/UnionizedTrouble 7d ago
He would have learned this in Middleton, Ohio. Theyâre not teaching WWII in law school.
My grandma lived there. She was a teacher elsewhere and retired there on her pension because the cost of living was low. The schools⌠were not good.
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u/OkWolverine69420 7d ago
It is still valuable to people who have morals, ethics, and use their degrees to better themselves and their communities.
The problem is that itâs just as valuable to grift, lie, steal, and commit crimes daily like MAGA does.
The only way for them to protect their standards of education is to revoke degrees when people like JD spew this filth. Same with people like Ted Cruz, and the entire Republican Party who lies as easily as they breathe.
Thatâs just another problem that some of these schools are bending the knee to Trump. So theyâre devaluing themselves as an institution just as much as people like Vance are.
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u/Chaz_Cheeto 6d ago
Nah, heâs just corrupt. His job when he enlisted was to be a propagandist to spin the Iraq war. He told journalists what they thought they should hear. If you remember that little snafu they hit with those text message leaks, his role wasnât to manage the situation, his role was figuring out how to spin the decisions (âthis is about freedom of navigation.â).
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u/Justgototheeffinmoon 7d ago
This has nothing to do with education. Itâs ideology and propaganda and nothing else
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u/NamelessResearcher 7d ago
Someone must not have paid much attention in history class.
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u/No-Appearance1145 7d ago
Hes poorly educated. That's why Trump wanted him as VP!
Proof law degree, even from Yale, doesn't make you smart.
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u/Other_Log_1996 7d ago
They paid plenty of attention to the Holocaust part. The war...not so much.
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u/Drudgework 7d ago
All the people that forgot that the allies still had to negotiate amongst themselves and with Russia to determine who got what land and where the war trials were going to be held at the end of the war before all the treaties were signed? Like at the Yalta Conference for example? Or the negotiations that took place with countries allied to the Axis, like the Paris peace conference? Iâll grant you that Vance is more technically correct and not contextually correct, but he is still correct even if it isnât for the right reasons.
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u/CustomerSupportDeer 7d ago
TO BE FAIR (and I really don't like to say this), but technically, WW2 ended with Japan's surrender after negotiations. The US did have to forebomb the entire islands and drop two suns on them, but the end result were negotiations, not forced through complete destruction of the japanese state and cities.
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u/Smintjes 7d ago
I wouldnât have expected more from a couch fucker.
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u/RupertHermano 7d ago
I would be asking that couch to swallow me after a gaff like this... Oh, no, wait, that's not what I meant.
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u/Duanedoberman 7d ago
If your enemies leader blows his brains out because he has been utterly defeated, that is not a negotiation. it's trying to surrender in the best way to stop further slaughter once the mad men have gone.
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u/Brilliant-Ad6137 7d ago
Neither Germany nor Japan negotiated a peace deal. They only stopped because they were utterly defeated. So if we are now going by WW2 outcome. Then we should give Ukraine everything they need and more to utterly defeat Russia.
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u/Mcboatface3sghost 7d ago
He knows that, heâs a liar but has no charisma. Shit I could show a 3rd grader a 45 minute YouTube video on what happened and they would understand, and I spent years studying it.
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u/spavolka 7d ago
Anyone in the United States, who has taken an history test from middle school on, has read the term âunconditional surrenderâ. These fuckers that surround Trump are an unconditional embarrassment.
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u/Mcboatface3sghost 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yup, ya see Japan didnât want to surrender and we knew a land battle would cost close to a million American lives, so we nuked âem. Germany on the other hand had to deal with a fuck ton of really pissed off Russians that wanted pure vengeance, and oh boy⌠they got it and not in a good or fun kinda way. When the Allyâs were like âdude? Wtf!?â Stalins response was more or less, âboys will be boysâ.
They scared Patton so bad he begged Eisenhower and Truman to go in to USSR while there was some weakness so we wouldnât have to deal with them laterâŚ
Scaring Patton? Thatâs pretty wild. Stalins greatest quote IMO⌠â1 death is a tragedy, 1 million is a statisticâ.
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u/Lifesucksgod 7d ago
Except trump is pro Russia
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u/perseidot 7d ago
Trump is pro- getting mineral rights out of Ukraine (and profiting off that personally.)
He was also compromised by Putin and the KGB back in the 1980âs, and heâs been digging himself in deeper ever since then.
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u/lostsailorlivefree 7d ago
I just saw their documentary on captured German generals that British intelligence eavesdropped on during their captivity. These fucking monsters NEVER admit shit, always claimed they were right, they will hold on to their bullshit in the face of ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. When we defeat this round of Facism I want these fucks OUT OF OUR REPUBLIC. Camp Venezuela can house the entire Administration
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u/AwTomorrow 7d ago
 When we defeat this round of Facism I want these fucks OUT OF OUR REPUBLIC. Camp Venezuela can house the entire Administration
Deal with your own garbage, donât export it
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u/robinsw26 7d ago
What a maroonâŚ
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u/Mcboatface3sghost 7d ago
That oddly made me think of JD thinking about Trump death in the next 6 months.
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u/therealtiddlydump 7d ago
Negotiation, unconditional surrender. Same difference if you're a dipshit idiot.
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u/stripmallbars 7d ago
A-bomb negotiations
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u/Euphoric_Shopping_37 7d ago
Hydrogen bomb (Plutonium) vs Coughing baby was a real matchup circa 1945
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u/Broad-Language-8869 7d ago
This is the best the Right could do, huh - a pedophile and a fucking moron.
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u/yosoylentgreen 7d ago
Heâs not a moron. He is aware he can talk nonsense and have zero repercussions. See: Raphael Cruz.
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u/rdldr1 7d ago
The Nazis played the long game and eventually took over America.
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u/perseidot 7d ago
I think the South finally won the Civil War with this administration.
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u/Im_tracer_bullet 7d ago
This iteration won't even last as long as their previous one.
They've convinced a lot of ignorant and gullible people that were desperate for help that their lies were going to come true.
The economy has only gone the other direction since January and inflation is back with downward pressure on employment.
This is all going to blow up in Republican's faces in the not too distant future.
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u/idonotknowwhototrust palming face for 30 years now 7d ago
The negotiation was between Hitler's gun and his head.
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u/Skrabalas 7d ago
Frankly, there was a negotiation at the end if WW2. Between FDR, Churchill and Stalin. A negotiation of pie (or planet) carving. In Yalta. And then, half a year later, between Truman, Churchill and Stalin in Potsdam.
Much like trump and putin are negotiating carving up of Ukraine currently, disregarding interests of Ukraine or Europe.
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u/Rocketparty12 7d ago
A negotiation among victors for a post-war world. There was no negotiations between the Allies and Axis powers. Very much unlike ânegotiationsâ between Trump and Putin where the aggressor nation is imposing terms on a nation that they invaded.
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u/MashJDW 7d ago
I was thinking the same thing. The war DID end with negotiations. But not BECAUSE of negotiations. I don't want to play devil's advocate for this guy, but technically what he said isn't wrong. What he meant is another story.
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u/skriveralltid77 7d ago
One would think the guy who knew Tr%mp was "worse than H*tler" would know that the Second World War ended with unconditional surrenders by Germany and Japan..
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u/Soaring_Gull655 7d ago
JD "Just Dance" Vance.
Isn't there a song called "shutup and dance", he should try that.
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u/perseidot 7d ago
Yeah, but thatâs a cool song. Far too cool for a guy that canât even order doughnuts on his own.
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u/CaptainZeroDark30 7d ago
Our negotiating strategy was the complete destruction of Germany and nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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u/IvetRockbottom 7d ago
Who needs knowledge when the truth is whatever shit that comes out of the face hole?
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u/ResponsibleBank1387 7d ago
It fits his history, innocent Americans were imprisoned for their skin tone, property confiscated. He also believes the War Between the States was about something not slavery.Â
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u/Realistic_Let3239 7d ago
He's just upset his side lost WW2, shame they rose to power in another country nearly 100 years later.
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u/lincolnlogtermite 7d ago
Holly Jesus on banana peels. Does anyone in the Trump administration have a grasp of history past the 1st grade?
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u/DavidJonnsJewellery 7d ago
I guess. If you call two atomic bombs and two 9mm bullets a negotiation
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u/ClaireDiviner 7d ago
Did every current Republican in a position of power fail history class? Probably asking a redundant question.
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u/TyhmensAndSaperstein 7d ago
"JD Vance made an embarrassing blunder..."
JD Vance is an embarrassing blunder
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u/omnibossk 7d ago
The only negotiation at the end was in the summer of 1945 in Potsdam when the winners was splitting up Germany and rearranging borders. And the war had already ended
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u/Fubeman 7d ago
JFC, can we have just ONE reporter, just ONE clap back during an interview like this and say âActually no. WW2 did NOT end with a negotiation sir. That is false.â Instead they just move on to the next question. How freaking hard is that? Itâs your damn job to correct liars on crap like this. All they do is give a one way podium for liars people like this and do nothing but act like a megaphone for them. Do your god damn job!
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u/freedraw 7d ago
Look, when they're done with the Smithsonian, the wars can end however they say they ended.
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u/314Piepurr 7d ago
for those with an interest in comedy, history and brevity please watch eddie izzards brealdown of the end of WW2
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u/katet_of_19 7d ago
The end of WW2 was negotiated, in much the same way that Korben Dallas negotiated with the Mangalores at Fhloston Paradise in The Fifth Element (1997).
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u/Mcboatface3sghost 7d ago
Heâs not dumb, heâs just full of shit, knows heâs full of shit and is way too comfortable being full of shit. Maybe he could pull that shit on some Fox News show, but âface the nationâ or âmeet the pressâ Sunday circuits wonât work. These programs are for the politically astute. He has the charisma of the venomous sea slug they just found.
If people buy his bullshit, the people that watch Sunday political programs? Then we are even more fucked than I thought, and I think we are pretty fucked.
Am I the only one oddly fascinated with these people that so easily lie and deny reality?
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u/xXDreamlessXx 7d ago
They did erase every article that had the name of the plane that dropped one of the nukes, so it ain't surprising he doesn't know how it ended
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u/Belaerim 7d ago
Iâll be charitable to Vance⌠it isnât like the US has won a war in his lifetime
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u/Whatever-That-Memes 7d ago
WWII started with negotiations, got spread further with negotiations but it ended with unconditional surrender of the aggressors. What a shame to even fucking read this.
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u/straylight_2022 7d ago
Hey, Hitler agreed to commit suicide to help end the war in Europe and Japan agreed to have two civilian populations nuked.
Art of the deal folks.
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u/Iyellkhan 7d ago
I cant tell if he was just spinning, grasping for something, or if this was pre planned and intentional gaslighting. given, you know, the allies demanded and got unconditional surrenders and all.
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u/Lady_Johanna21 7d ago
I mean... Japan and Germany did "negotiate"... their unconditional and immediate surrender
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Yeah, negotiations like Bruce Willisâs character did in Fifth Element, âAnyone else want to negotiate?!â https://media1.tenor.com/m/7xnkHIxEE_EAAAAd/negotiate-5th.gif
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u/mynamejulian 7d ago
The real facepalm is not understanding that he knows heâs lying. Re-writing history is authoritarianism 101
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u/Vast-Combination4046 7d ago
The winners negotiated who had control of occupied territory. Mostly because Russia needed some of Germany and the rest of the world didn't want them to do anything like perpetuate the secret police disappearing people.
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u/sebrebc 7d ago
With all the false bullshit these idiots say, I really wonder if these "mistakes" aren't actually mistakes and they are trying to change the narrative with their base. Or at least seeing what they can convince their base of.
It's easy to think it was a mistake because he's stupid. But I really wonder if it isn't just them trying to re-write history.
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u/Eagle_Fang135 7d ago
I have an autographed photo of the Japanese UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER aboard a United States Warship sitting in Tokyo Harbor. Where the Japanese Emperor was purposely not given any of the honors normally done for a head of state.
That was after dropping not one, but two atomic bombs.
Wasnât this guy supposedly a Marine Officer?!?
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u/BitOBear 7d ago
The main forum for the discussion of Europe's fate in World War II took place in a town called nuremberg.
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u/Evening_Rock5850 7d ago
The European side of the war ended with Hitler taking his own life in a bunker with enemy troops a short distance away.
Iâm fully prepared to concede that Zelenskyy should come to the negotiating table when Putin is in a similar position.
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u/Double_Distribution8 7d ago
Were there not negotiations? Like, weren't there talks and deals? Like, didn't Japan get to keep their emperor? And the Nazis got to work on the American space programs?
To be fair, I didn't read the article, as is the way. Maybe he made a worse blunder.
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u/CustomerSupportDeer 7d ago
TO BE FAIR (and I absolutely hate that I have to defend this pos)
Technically, the last major combat of WW2 was between Japan and the US, which technically did end via negotiated surrender.
Yes, it was after the US dropped two nukes on Japan. But those were also the only nukes the US had, and bluffed to be dropping "a nuke every day" to demoralize the Japanese. Luckily, they believed it.
The alternative would have been further firebombings of japanese cities, and US troops having to set boots on the japanese mainland, fighting in the streets. And if anyone knows anything about the japanese during WW2, they would absolutely fight to the last man, who would then commit suicide.
All in all, the US was quite lucky, and technically managed to end the war with diplomacy.
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u/McStonkBorger 7d ago
This guy, dawg. He reminds me of me at my age, anytime this fool opens his gimp-ass mouth, just utterly incomprehensible shite just spews out.
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u/Narrow_Ad2264 7d ago
OMG A VP who doesnât know recent history. âJFK? JDâ-Isnât that a fried chicken franchise?â
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u/AllGrey_2000 7d ago
What is the point of the owners having these yachts? What do they use them for? Seems pointless.
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u/maewemeetagain 7d ago
I have not listened to Americans gloat about the nukes the entire time I've been on the internet just for them to pussyfoot around the topic and pretend it was peaceful negotiation that ended the war.
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u/dwellerinthedark 7d ago
Yes, JD vance is correct. . The red army did some kinetic negotiations in Berlin and then hoisted the red flag from the Reichstag.
Then a few months later good ole' uncle Sam did some fissile negotiations in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Very diplomatic, most successful negotiations end in extreme levels of violence and unconditional surrender.
Is he suggesting that either of these two options should be tried in Kyiv?
Idiot.
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u/johnniehammersticks 7d ago
We do realize that both theatres of WW2 ended with surrender NEGOTIATIONS right?
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u/Complex_Command_6237 7d ago
What a complete ass clown we have as number 2 in our American Government.
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u/evilpercy 7d ago
MAGA are not students of history. We are repeating 1900 to 1945. Frump is Prime minister Chamberlain with Putin. Keep appeasing the aggressor, eventually the stop invading other countries. /s
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u/Incognonimous 7d ago
Someone should have a conversation with him then.
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u/rainyhawk 7d ago
Also point out that Germany didnât keep the land it had taken either. They were forced to give that back since they were the aggressor.
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u/Shadyshade84 7d ago
To be fair, unconditional surrender" is what his boss is trying to negotiate...
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u/NoIndependent9192 7d ago
I have a feeling that Trump will end up negotiating in the same way Hitler did in his bunker
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u/AandM4ever 7d ago
Everyone is excited to hear Trump is probably not going to live until the end of his termâŚ
But then they forget that means THIS MOTHERFUCKER will take over!
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u/Polackjoe 7d ago
I cannot believe this article quotes Grok's response to a user on Twitter as if it's a source the author interviewed. Dear God.
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u/Beginning_Ad_6616 7d ago
This is why itâs important to be smart, educated, and have a broad education that covers historical events. Leaders like Trump and Vance make shit decisions and have shit views because they donât truthfully know about the world they live in.
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u/keloidoscope 7d ago
Such negotiations as, how much to care what happened to the corpses of a sick old dictator and his retinue after they offed themselves rather than face consequences?
Or where the war crimes trials should be held? I'm all for such negotiations.
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u/bluejumpingdog 7d ago
I think people in positions of power realize they can say whatever and Americans are just there to listen and pay their tarifs and taxes. Nothing has to be real or even makes sense. Americans will gobble everything up
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