r/grandorder • u/AquaticMeteor • Jun 16 '25
JP Discussion Which locked ascensions are the most and least deserved? Spoiler
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u/jlh28532 Jun 16 '25
Charlie's is plot locked?
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u/XF10 Jun 16 '25
Yeah "Karl" ascension was Traum-locked but eventually they took down requirements because iirc Traum isn't even obligatory to progress. Idem for Kali
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u/Athanasoulas Mecha Knight Jun 16 '25
"Karl" ascension didn't even show up in Traum.
Besides I would like a gimmick like mash's where he becomes a ruler in third ascension or smth.
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u/XF10 Jun 16 '25
Iirc they said the Paladins and Young Moriarty were late additions to the story
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u/Asafesseidon13 Jun 16 '25
So the OG story was Reinstatement vs Revenge?
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u/XF10 Jun 16 '25
I mean, Don is still there
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u/YanFan123 Yandere Connoisseur and Phantom Kohai Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25
Don isn't a name
Downvoting doesn't make this not true. Don means mister
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u/GoldenWhite2408 Jun 17 '25
No the original story was apperently somehow about the fcking french revolution Idek how the fck That was suppose to go but yea
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u/OchoMuerte-XL Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25
Draco, Oberon, and Sen no Rikyu because their 3rd Ascensions have story relevance. Oberon is his true identity as Vortigern which would tip off anyone familiar with Arthurian lore and Draco's 3rd Ascension is tied to her character development in Lilim Harlot. Sen no Rikyu sharing a body/Saint Graph with Komahime is one of the plot twists for their GudaGuda event.
It feels like most Locked 3rd Ascensions feel like an excuse to push players into completing events and story chapters when players already had plenty incentive to do that already. If anything the devs could lock certain spoiler voice lines and ascensions before the appropriate flag is triggered.
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u/EducationalNarwhal6 HIS name is Caeneus btw Jun 16 '25
Most Oberon and Draco. Least everyone else
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u/KN041203 Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 17 '25
Charlesmagne is the least since at least the other ascension actually show up in the climax of their story. BB is next since the few info that are actually spoilery aren't enough to keep that ascension hidden, same with Douman. The rest are either character's true identity or the end of their arc in the story debut.
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u/GreatAres271 Jun 16 '25
To this day, I don't understand what's so spoilery about 3rd Asc. Douman. You know who is as much, if not a bigger spoiler? KoyaDark and Kirei, and they don't have locks (I know they're NY Servants, and Koyan released after her event, but you get my point).
You know someone who I think should've had an Ascension lock? Van Gogh during Imaginary Scramble
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u/Jakobstj Jun 17 '25
Yeah Douman's 3rd Asc has no actual spoiler to it, it's not like his evil-ness is hidden before then.
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u/Silvercenturion_aa Jun 16 '25
Oberon and Draco, since said ascensions are related to major parts of the plot.
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u/AccountantOk8373 Jun 16 '25
I feel like Oberon is the only one really deserved having the Ascension locked. Some others are fine too, but Oberon felt truly justifiable
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u/Kazumari Tenochtitlan's number 1 priest Jun 16 '25
Fun fact : Tenochi is both the only SR and permanent servant with a locked ascension.
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u/Kronos457 Jun 17 '25
Nasu: There are special Servants... and then there is Tenochi, a much more special Servant compared to the special Servants.
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u/AiReine “‘sup piglets?” Jun 16 '25
Was just thinking about this with Durga’s temporary lock. Was at least interesting compared to some of the past ones (as in, Charlie)
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u/matterburner Jun 16 '25
Most: Oberon ,kali and Draco with how heavy involved these ascensions are with the story they were presented in.
Least: Even though I love him, Charlemagne, if you played Extella link you would already know about the whole King Charles situation. Also this ascension doesn’t show up in traum and Charlemagne showing up was supposed to be like a surprise even though he was the first Traum banner character
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u/Crowe-Chronos Haku is Here! Jun 16 '25
Most: Oberon, Rikyu, Draco and Douman
Least: Charlemagne (doesn't show up at all), Typhoon(its in her fuckin NP for God's sake) and Biscione
Everyone else falls under what I call "I don't think it was necessary but I understand why they did it."
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u/aethersentinel Jun 16 '25
Maybe you can explain this to me. What is a spoiler about Douman's different outfit? I expected to understand this after finishing Heian-Kyo and I just ended up puzzled.
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u/Crowe-Chronos Haku is Here! Jun 16 '25
Its mostly just the attack animations and lines. Plus the design itself is basically him fully unleashing the other components of his saint graph. It isn't THAT spoilery but it is still just enough for me to include it.
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u/ArchusKanzaki Jun 16 '25
Biscione's sorta does not make any sense if you did not take her event so its spoilery in that way.
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u/SockParticular4936 Jun 16 '25
Most deserving is definitely Oberon.
Least deserved I would say is Charlie.
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u/ArchusKanzaki Jun 16 '25
Typhon's proooobably does not need to be locked.... But maybe its because they wanted to switchup the armored form with this one?
Charlie is probably the only weird decision since its like.... Not that used at all in the end? Its like locking 3rd ascension because there is an Extella Link thing going on.
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u/XF10 Jun 16 '25
Image missing:Kali,Tezcatlipoca,Tenochtitlan,Kukulkan,Sirius(HibiChika) and Montecristo
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u/BruhSoundE Jun 16 '25
Tez feels less deserved than it looks, I have no idea what the plot relevance for hiding his final ascension is but I highly doubt it's worth having new players be locked away from seeing it till they reach the LB's, Just give me the NP animation Lasengle his first one sucks
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u/atropicalpenguin Jun 16 '25
And Kali/Durga's is silly, you don't need to play Paper Moon to unlock Durga's Kali.
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u/SuperSpiritShady Bonin' mah Sword Jun 16 '25
You had to for the first two weeks iirc, afterwards, the lock was completely lifted. (For JP at least, idk about NA) It was the same case as well for Monte Cristo.
It’s unique since unlike all these other locked ascensions, you’re incapable of ascending these servants and getting their third skill until you actually reached the point behind the spoiler (within the first two weeks). After the two weeks were done, the lock was completely lifted, so ascending them is no different from a normal servant.
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u/XF10 Jun 16 '25
Procrastinating doing Paper Moon and can confirm i still could get Kali ascension. It's same deal as Charlie's Karl ascension
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u/SuperSpiritShady Bonin' mah Sword Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25
Charlie's Ascension is locked behind a Saint Graph Unlock Quest + Traum clear.
Durga/Kali does not have a Saint Graph Unlock Quest, and as said, the lock was temporary (only 2 weeks) blocking you from going to Ascension 3 and getting the third skill until you cleared OC1.
Again, only really referring to what happened on JP. Didn't get Durga on NA, so idk if the same case happened, but if it didn't, I'd like to know.
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u/XF10 Jun 16 '25
I just told you. Kali is already unlocked on NA even without Paper Moon clear and Charlie's quest is also available even without Traum clear
Even wiki says it: "Before June 15th 2022, you had to clear Traum to unlock this quest."
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u/SuperSpiritShady Bonin' mah Sword Jun 16 '25
Yeah, the Durga/Kali part is expected. Two weeks have already passed and her banner is gone, should be no different from ascending a non-locked servant.
For Charlie tho, probably an oversight on my part. Apolovies if it seemed I was aggressive, I didn't mean to be so.
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u/MokonaModokiES Insert text here Jun 16 '25
Kuku and Sirius are the most justified because it ties in with character developments and the plot.
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u/lepe-lepe Jun 16 '25
Tezca, I don't understand why the 3rd ascension is locked. Neither the NP nor his appearance spoil much of anything.
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u/Unhappy_Comparison59 Jun 16 '25
I dont know if that is a hot take but recently locked ascensions feel a little over used maybe so because for most there is no reason besides keeping the hype for a little longer one of my biggest let down was BB actually thinking to see something very outstanding with how the Event itself was time locked just to get golden bunny girl
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u/MKW69 Jun 16 '25
Best- Oberon. Like he is seminal to LB 6 plot. Least- Biscione and Douman. They're kinda spoilery, but i don't think they have that much weight sadly.
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u/StandardN02b Do it for them Jun 16 '25
No event servant should have their FA locked, by the very nature of events that are temporary.
The only one justified is Oberon.
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u/RestinPsalm Jun 16 '25
Event locks are simply removed after the event, to be fair.
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u/StandardN02b Do it for them Jun 16 '25
Then they shouldn't exist in the first place.
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u/Taedirk Grail-kun flair when? Jun 16 '25
Makes more money putting the event star on the day 1 banner and locking FA than waiting a week to avoid the spoilers.
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u/StandardN02b Do it for them Jun 16 '25
What spoilers? Biscone is a dragon? Karl der Große is Charlemagne? Douman is extra evil? Tutankhamun is egyptian? Nero is Draco? I guess you could make a case for Sen no Rikyu, tho.
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u/Radiant-Hope-469 We will never reach 2018 Jun 16 '25
We already knew Biscione was a dragon. Her name already gives that away. It's just that she's also has the concept of Ouroboros and all the other nameless dragons found in stories.
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u/Taedirk Grail-kun flair when? Jun 17 '25
Draco spends most of her event being a tiny evil one way ticket to the FBI watch list. Douman's final form is all about him being more than just the Limbo we've seen up until Heyan-kyo. Charlemagne's FA is proof that Lasagna knows Fate/Extella Link exists but won't give us Altera Larva, Archimedes, or Saber Venus Nero.
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u/soulesssapphire Jun 16 '25
I really wish there was a way to use the servant with the unlocked ascension if you have the content that is required cleared if you are using the servant as support. The requirement to have the character AND do a quest to even benefit from the support character in its full ascension is annoying, for me at least.
You know what they are, you are not getting spoiled by any means if you have cleared the content in which that ascension was shown. Let me use my friends edgy and sleep deprived Oberon.
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u/Ieriz Eternally simping for Ruler Moriarty Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25
Biscione is by far the least relevant, 0 relevance to her story. Also in general she's such a stretch of a character, she barely exists. And Vitch's "I am the Tunguska Event" was a horse in the stretch race.
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u/rainazuma77 Jun 16 '25
She isn't even the Tunguska event. She is the incarnation of the anger and grief of the animals that died during the event and mistakenly thought they were murdered by humans lol
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u/Nanashi14 Jun 16 '25
her true identity is what helps us saves the residents of the singularity and ultimately bring down the creator by opening up a weakness for him. Agreed on Vitch however I still think they red herring'd that for too long.
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u/ArchusKanzaki Jun 16 '25
Yeah, she's such a stretch of character, but I guess its kinda thematic for that particular event.
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u/KamiiPlus saving for pseudo patxi Jun 16 '25
Almost every 3rd ascension thats locked is actually important to the character and/or their development through the event and are all fine, more often then not it is made to tie into what the character is/isnt able to do in the event
The only one who ACTUALLY doesnt fit is 100% charlie though
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u/KamiiPlus saving for pseudo patxi Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25
My take on locked ascensions has always been "this is the star of the event who develops as they go through it, locking a part of it not to spoil is perfectly fine" because we see the servant develop over like, a week and even then for event servants we still get their skills, not a big deal imo
But also BBs links to like, her character arcs conclusion and also dubais story as a whole, up there with most deserved
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u/konodiowry Jun 17 '25
Ik there’s a reason for Draco ascension but its just look so weak and boring compare to Mother Harlot form that Arcade have
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u/Leyrran Jun 17 '25
Oberon, Draco obviously. Then i would say Rikyu, Komachi (her ascension was the plot twist of her event), Tut and Biscione.
The others feels underserved, no tie to the story for Karl, BB was quite disappointing (locking the final ascension was enough since the background is a bit spoilery), for Douman and Typhon it didn't seem necessary.
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u/ReadySource3242 Broke but not hopeless Jun 16 '25
Most is everyone who’s third ascension is important to plot, least is everyone else
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u/Whole-Signature4130 :Caren: the saint of useless knowledge Jun 16 '25
Morgan deserves more. Her og profile has a set of outfits barely have more variety than kagetora. And kagetora has her default and her costume that simply has a scarf added.
Her summer skin, aesc. Has only 1 morgan ascension.
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u/SockParticular4936 Jun 17 '25
Couldn't agree more. I blame this on Takeuchi for being a lazy artist. I wish someone else would draw Morgan. The only ascension I like are her 3rd and Winter Queen attire. First and second ascensions look so similar. And yeah she absolutely was done dirty for her summer form. I'm still going to roll for her but it's disappointing that she only has 1 summer outfit while her knights have multiple outfits. I hope when Morgan gets another alt she wont be stuck with Tonelico again.
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u/1lluusio I love the kind of girl that will just poison me Jun 16 '25
Most deserved ones are Rikyu/Komahime, Oberon, and Draco
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u/Saltlessguy :Castoria: Jun 16 '25
BB Dubai is the worst.
For one single thing. Forced supports with BB Cosmos without her 3rd skills for most of OC3.
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u/Nanashi14 Jun 16 '25
Least is Karl cause it wasn't even used
I don't like Typhon and Tut's being locked (and they more or less spoil Typhon's anyway) but it's related to the event story conclusion so it makes some sense
Most is Oberon and Draco
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u/Cool-Ad-8706 Jun 16 '25
From the ones that I've seen as an NA player I would say the teo most important ones are Oberon and Kuku since their 3rd ascension is very relevant in story, especially Oberons imo.
As for least is Charlie's, bro didnt even flex that
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u/VishnuBhanum HokusaiMyBeloved Jun 16 '25
I had a personal gripe with Draco ascension lock.
I spent like 240SQ on her JP banner specifically because I have waited for playable Beast for so long, and I expected her 3rd/FA to be the Beast VI from Arcade(I don't think it's entirely my fault for expecting that since that form was literally on the back of her class card)
And then when the Final Ascension was revealed, She ended up being the least Beast-like out of everyone(Hell, Larva Tiamat felt more like a beast than her)
And like it's not bad or anything, just not what I wanted from the Beast servant(Especially for the first playable one) If I had knew from the start, I wouldn't have spent so much SQ on that banner.
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u/Taedirk Grail-kun flair when? Jun 16 '25
The Tamamo 9+ threatened a C&D order after seeing those fluffy ears in the arcade portrait. Koyan's way too entrenched now for anyone to make waves.
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u/PerfectMuratti Jun 16 '25
Same i am not a fan of that design. Of course it shouldnt be as evil looking as Arcade one but just something different than this.
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u/PhantasosX Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25
To add into ou and u/PerfectMuratti conversation.
My problem with Beast Draco is that the whole reason of her taking that form is that she is saved of her path of been Beast VI...so why bother to make 3rd Asc been on that class?
Not to pretend to be a dev or anything like that, but it seems to be better if the event started with Gudao been forced to be a master of a Beast, but the end of the event had Draco as Rider , while a debuffed Mother Harlot is an Alter-Ego or vice-versa , with a passive skill to let them been "Beast VI" Class Affinity if you tag team with them.
EDIT: heck, if they want to still hold the Beast-Class as a distinct class in the gacha pull , they could add the Angra Mainyuu on top of it , so that either Draco or Mother Harlot ends up with Beast VI by default , without the needing of the tag team of the other.
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u/MokonaModokiES Insert text here Jun 16 '25
she is saved of her path of been Beast VI...so why bother to make 3rd Asc been on that class?
No she remains a beast by the end of the story. She was saved from her own suicidal desire not from the class.
It was about embracing what she truly felt like and reflecting on why she truly loved humanity. She didnt throw away her love like all the other beast(Like Tiamat accepting humanity doesnt need her anymore). She fully embraced her status as a beast but it was changed to a much healthier mindset of being the companion of humanity until their end.
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u/PhantasosX Jun 16 '25
The whole reason a Beast is a Beast is that they have a warped sense of love for humanity, enveloping into a "Sin" that represents an "Evil of Humanity", if their love ended up in a healthier mindset , there is no reason to mantain the beasthood itself.
We already have non-beast Neros that loves humanity , and a non-beast Merlin. And technically, Fou is the Beast that we "defeated" peacefully. Even the case of Tiamat still makes her act motherly to us and to others.
The hold on of her beasthood is more like a way to avoid making Draco and Mother Harlot into distinct Servants in the gacha roll.
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u/MokonaModokiES Insert text here Jun 16 '25
The healthier mindset is for herself not for humanity. And Draco fully recognices it as the incarnadines call her out on the potential of her destroying humanity and that she wont have a happy ending.
yet she will still go through that path because she finds it beautifull.
They are very straight forward about explaining it.
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u/One_Wrong_Thymine Jun 16 '25
Nahhh Tiamat did NOT give up being a mom. She's just not in a state where her Beast form can mature. Like Fou. Fou can still Beast out if he has the magical energy, but humanity isn't thriving so Primate Killer can't activate. I don't know what's the prerequisite for Tiamat's activation though.
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u/MokonaModokiES Insert text here Jun 16 '25
Tiamat acting like a mom doesnt change the fact she decided to let humanity go. She still feels like a mother but she has recogniced that she shouldnt force them to stay with her forever.
Its the case of "leaving the nest" Tiamat as a beast was against humanity leaving the nest. but after her defeat she accepted that humanity can leave the nest on their own and keep going.
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u/One_Wrong_Thymine Jun 16 '25
Until she doesn't accept them leaving anymore that is. Beast turns on and off all the time.
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u/Hiromagi Jun 16 '25
Oberon’s is a massive spoiler. For many of the event related characters, that’s pretty unnecessary after the event. Draco’s is pretty much a spoiler only in that event which is fine.
But again, Oberon is MSQ. Which is what most people will experience. Not everyone will play the event story, where most people will tackle an MSQ.
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u/Picmanreborn Jun 17 '25
The thing that pisses me off about Charlie is that since I had him maxed but didn't beat traum before they lifted the restriction.... I literally just can't even get the 3rd and 4th ascension dialogue in my chaldea to even figure out what it is
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u/Xatu44 Mysterious Shitposter X Jun 16 '25
Worth it: Oberon, Biscione, Draco, Tut
Eh I guess: BBDubai, Komachi, Rikyu
Fraud: Charlie, Ephemeros, DOMAN
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u/Shin-Bufuman SWIMSUIT LIPPY! Jun 16 '25
Least deserved: BBD, who should never have been a thing at all, that summer SSR slot should've gone to Lip
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u/SickAnto Jun 16 '25
Draco only because the design is probably one of the worst and most disappointing I've ever seen in FGO.
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u/RestinPsalm Jun 16 '25
Not considering that some of their third ascensions might have voice lines which are spoilers, just going by design...
Totally Deserved: Oberon (Spoils his entire twist in LB6), Draco (Her not becoming Mother Harlot is a major switchup), Rikyu (Komahime being in there isn't revealed for a while)
Not Deserved But It Was Cooler To See It In The Event First: Douman, Tut, Bibi.
Not Really Deserved At All: Typhon, Biscoine, Komachi
Not Even Used In The Story???: Charlie.