r/grandorder • u/Radiant-Hope-469 We will never reach 2018 • 15d ago
JP Discussion Updated Appmedia Poll of Grand Extra Candidates
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u/Radiant-Hope-469 We will never reach 2018 15d ago edited 15d ago
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u/Revolutionary_Pie541 14d ago edited 14d ago
Well i'm planning on getting Melt in regardless, though I'm debating on whether Ku or Jalter.
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u/facbok195 15d ago
Damn, Santa Quetz tied for last fucking place.
Feelsbadman for Quetz fans.
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u/ZatTrye 15d ago
To be fair, Quetzalcoatl is one of my favourite Servants in the game but I don't vibe with Santa Quetz at all, it's a very garish design that isn't at all what I was hoping for when I picture 'Queztlcoatal at Christmas.' Quetz sadly isn't particularly popular in the first place over in Japan for a few reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if JP fans of hers had a similar reaction as me and therefore skipped past her.Ā
Also, I don't think any of the welfare servants have scored particularly well in these Grand roundups. Gameplay wise they're not strong enough for the 'meta' side of the fanbase to consider.
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u/todo-senpai 14d ago
Dude iori was like Top 5 in grand saber.
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u/ZatTrye 14d ago
Tbh I wasn't aware he was welfare, so fair enough. Overall though, I think he's more an exception to the rule based on my memory, though its been a while since I looked at the lists
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u/XF10 14d ago
Iori has massive hype of being the one MC that is also a historical figure and a pretty peculiar MC at that and usual Japan wanking their own historical figures. Also significance of Musashi being Saber Grand Duel Boss. Iori also ranked very high on official grailed/bond 15 lists shown during streams
Welfares being low on these lists IS usually true because they have only 1 ascension and most of them are seasonal alts of a SSR
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u/Roliq 14d ago
To be fair, Quetzalcoatl is one of my favourite Servants in the game but I don't vibe with Santa Quetz at all, it's a very garish design that isn't at all what I was hoping for when I picture 'Queztlcoatal at Christmas.' Quetz sadly isn't particularly popular in the first place over in Japan for a few reasons, but I wouldn't be surprised if JP fans of hers had a similar reaction as me and therefore skipped past her.
Quetz is so unpopular that it even rubbed off to Kukulkan who as of right now has half of the fanart Quetz has
Their lack of popularity becomes even more notable when compared to Tenochi and Tezcatlipoca who each have more art than both combined
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u/Bricecubed 14d ago
but I don't vibe with Santa Quetz at all, it's a very garish design that isn't at all what I was hoping for when I picture 'Queztlcoatal at Christmas.
I agree, it kinda felt like they ruined her with Santa Quetz and annoyingly this is the version they always seem to use now when they do use her in a story.
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u/ZeothTheHedgehog I have found my Queen 14d ago
God I hope she gets a Summer Alt at some point, maybe alongside Kuku.
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u/RestinPsalm 14d ago
I feel like there's a general consensus that, unless they're a diehard fav, most players prefer to have just one version per grand, and trend to their original version. It helps that Riders are generally easier competition than Extras, and Santa Quetz wasn't exactly a standout servant.
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u/MN_Yogi1988 15d ago
I like Quetz but I dislike her Rider and hate her Ruler art designs
Her Anime version is by far better IMO
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u/ghostgabe81 10d ago
At least she has a standard variant.
My all time favorite Servant wasnāt even on the last poll. Now Gorgon is the lowest ranked that isnāt an Event variant
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u/LOTRfreak101 Don't lewd the cups 15d ago
Wow, gorgon is the only one of the last 10 to not be a welfare.
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u/Niveau_a_Bulle Snek is love, Snek is Life 14d ago
Few have achieved true wisdom by becoming Gorgon Pilled
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u/Divinum_Fulmen 14d ago
If I could. All of my grand slots would be Medusa.
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u/Ha_Tannin :Ishtar: Defenseless Wallet 14d ago
If you include her sisters, you can fit every slot except Berserker and a 2nd Extra. Berserker could just be Asterios, connected through Eurayle, and the 2nd Extra could be Violet once she actually releases (assuming we dont get another Extra Class Medusa) since Medusa is a component of hers
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u/Divinum_Fulmen 14d ago
Now that I finally got lancer up to 120 with the last grail I got, it's about time I got Asterios to 100.
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u/Ha_Tannin :Ishtar: Defenseless Wallet 14d ago
My one major regret for taking such long breaks is jot having enough exp to 120 more than just 1 of my favorites on hand without going back to grinding midway through
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u/Rit91 14d ago
I thought about her, but when we get to pick just 2 out of so many extra class servants it's rough. My JP has so many extra class servants I would have loved to grand, but Olga and Mashu were pretty much autopicks for me. I have a 120 NP5 Arcueid too and may be grailing Phantasmoon to 120 at some point too.
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u/Revenant047 15d ago
Ciel beating Arcueid.
Im getting a dangerous sense of dĆØjĆ vu...
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u/Xylaph :Mordred: 14d ago
Ciel is simply one of the most busted units they've ever released. It's rather telling that until her recent demotion she was the only non-Berserker to make it into Appmedia's S+ tier. And the only reason for her demotion was that U-Olga is a near strict upgrade to her.
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u/-_Seth_- 14d ago
I would disagree on Olga being an upgrade to Ciel. At best Olga is a sidegrade in their niche because of her inferior crits but better np access. She does of course also have additional usage ways open but for the stuff Ciel does best, Ciel tends to be still the optimal choice.
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u/-_Seth_- 14d ago
Ciel deserves it. Her route in TsukiRe catapulted Ciel into my top 5 TM characters.
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u/KingofGrapes7 15d ago
I am still so fucking salty about not rolling Olga. I mean its also my fault for not catching up in time but damn.
Glad to see Melt stuck it out in the Top 10 at least. Seraph did crazy work for her on top of general gameplay.
It took another white haired 'evil' girlfailure to finally unseat Jalter.
Ciel over Arc is hilarious. Though admittedly I sometimes forget how good Arcueid is since Morgan does alot of clearing for me.
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u/Desperate_Golf7634 15d ago
She might come back during the second free pod extra duels.
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u/SuperSpiritShady Bonin' mah Sword 15d ago
iirc it was explicitly stated that she wouldn't come back
Basically, all the banners they released will come back, but only those banners.
So no additional one for Olga, basically.
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u/necroneechan Lalter Update or Summer alt whenever 14d ago
Beast banners are the rarest in the game so if they drop one you better get atleast a copy.
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u/MN_Yogi1988 14d ago
I have an NP2 and she always surprises me with her damage on neutral targets; like you I mostly use Morgan
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u/niqniqniq 15d ago
Damn OG count got replaced
He used to be near the top
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u/WaifuHunterRed Rider of Beasts 14d ago
I think your confusing this poll because I remember being surprised OG ranked lower than the new dante
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u/daishukanami 14d ago
I granded OG dantes š«” I have the count too but I gotta show some respect to the original husbando who's been with me all those years
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u/RudeusGreyrat228 Cute and Funny Draco UOOOGH ššš 15d ago
I'm gonna make Johanna and Rasputin my Extra Grands once this drops on NA š£ āļø
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u/daishukanami 14d ago
I know people are (with exceptions) extremely biased towards the most recent units, but it's insane how low some popular waifus are, units like hokusai who had a very strong fanbase are being very disregarded here, I suppose it's a lot due to gameplay but still...
Anyway I granded my goat OG dantes because i'm loyal until the end doesn't matter how many cute new men they release or how he aint meta anymore š¤£
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u/rentenzen 14d ago edited 14d ago
I chose Amakusa Shirou (Rank 28) and Voyager (Rank 25) to Grand.
Feels good to use Amakusa to farm again.
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u/KamiiPlus saving for pseudo patxi 15d ago edited 14d ago
LETS GOOOOOOO LOBO, i've been getting a lot of friend points purely from support via extra fights, my goat being the highest sr extra servant is entirely deserved
santa abby is my second one but its not surprising shes so far down with how much she sucks, atleast i can double up on bond gain CEs for her
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u/1lluusio I love the kind of girl that will just poison me 14d ago
Seeing Lobo so high up totally caught me off guard. Glad to see the doggo get some love! Though I have to admit that I'm a little confused how he got so high, since I didnt think he'd have that many fans. Maybe most Lobo fans just have natural Presence Concealment or something lol
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u/Desperate_Golf7634 15d ago
Why is summer kama so low? She is great i swear!
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u/Radiant-Hope-469 We will never reach 2018 15d ago
As someone who has used Kama, I wish her Flames of Love applied before any attack.
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u/Desperate_Golf7634 15d ago
I dunno if 10% power mod would make much difference tbh. The best buff would be to her s2.
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u/_unspecified 15d ago
I'm planning to make the OG one my Grand Assassin and despite her being one of my favs, I don't want the same character in two spots, and I think that's the case for a lot of people.
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u/MN_Yogi1988 14d ago
Like S. Ishtar sheās good, but the AOE options have gotten absurd over the years.
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u/KN041203 15d ago
Does both Hakuno count as the same on the poll? Would make sense since they only have different voice. Although it's funny that Mark II has slightly more vote than Mark I.
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u/Decoy-User 15d ago
The Director got everyone's heart there and Mash is losing her position as the End Route, this is not good for the latter.
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u/KN041203 15d ago
7th isn't bad for someone who only has one actual good chapter in Part 2. Beside her being a tank make her value less after grail in some people's view.
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u/LOTRfreak101 Don't lewd the cups 15d ago
I'd say the thing that ruins her value is the nerf they did by making her 16 costs.
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u/RazexKappa 15d ago
If her Paladinversion was 0 cost it would be even more broken than Castoria tbh
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u/LOTRfreak101 Don't lewd the cups 15d ago
Are base and ortinax still 0 cost?
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u/RazexKappa 15d ago
Yes if you use these Ascensions you will get to use her at 0 cost still. I granded her and got her to 120 and itās a thing if beauty :)
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u/LOTRfreak101 Don't lewd the cups 14d ago
That makes a lot of sense. I thought it made all her forms 16 cost. I'm glad I can more easily farm her bond points then.
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u/DIOSITO012 15d ago
But Paladin Mash It's a top tier ssr one of the best in this game, a free NP3 ssr, being 0 cost would be absurd
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jalter/Castoria/Musashi Enjoyer 15d ago
She had her chance for a full on decade, she has herself to blame... but hey, at least her Paladin version is rather damn good, so there's that.
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u/KN041203 14d ago edited 14d ago
Tbf OC4 is her only great chapter in Part 2 since every other writer don't bother with writing her. I surprise they actually let her get upgraded now instead of waiting until Antarctica along side Galahad.
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u/-_Seth_- 14d ago
Mashu was fantastic in LB6
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u/KN041203 14d ago
Not really. It's slightly better than straight up nothing but that's it.
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u/-_Seth_- 14d ago
The only characters that performed even better in LB6 imo were Castoria, Melusine and Oberon. I love what Nasu did with Mashu in that chapter.
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u/KN041203 14d ago
Yeah as for me, I'm not a fan of what he did. If it wasn't for Habertrot and Mash vs Barghest, I would actually say it's worse than nothing. Then again I have a lot of bone to pick for LB6.
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u/Hero_tact_Miles :Sigurd: :Brynhildr: Best couple 15d ago
I already did Monte Cristo and Ciel. Monte Cristo burns (lol) Flame Marie to a crisp easily
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u/1lluusio I love the kind of girl that will just poison me 14d ago
Man, I wonder how some of these characters would react to being picked to be the Grand Extra Servant lol.
I can already see Oberon being disgusted at the idea, Douman being flabberghasted that his ploy to get the position somehow worked, and Goghie making Gogh jokes to distract herself from everything she's feeling.
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u/Deathstar699 14d ago
Goghie is higher than expected but only 108? WHERE IS YOUR DEVOTION MY SUNFLOWER BREATHEREN!!!
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u/Far-Psychology1131 14d ago
Sad to see Spishtar go from the Meta to barely used tier
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u/SpaceRodan 14d ago
They gave buffs to Eresh and Ishtar so Spishtar may yet get something, probably a way to guarantee her rainbow buff plus something extra
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u/FDP_Boota 14d ago
They'd better give her some actual numbers on her skills. Practically 90% of her power is in her NP + battery. Some of her powerbudget is allocated into spots that contradict her actual functionality. Why does her S1 buff allies more than herself, a selfish looper. Why does het NP provide an Extra Attack buff, on a AoE looper. Why does her S3 have randomness for only a 20% color buff, it's not like she will actually make use of the 2 colors she's not using, since she's mostly a looper that barely uses face cards.
I recently saw a video where somebody pointed out that all her (self) buffs are 20%, and nowadays I feel like most farmers get at least 30% in all 3 buff categories at a minimum.
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u/Rit91 14d ago
Yeah she was literally only sweet because of the rampup and refund numbers honestly. Her kit is awful these days besides 50% battery and the tiny multicore utility of 30% atk up for the other DPS. What's rough with that though is she has no trait bonuses so clearing waves for her is rough in a 90++ setting. Then yeah RNG on her rainbow buff is just bad in 2025, it has been bad for years honestly.
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u/MN_Yogi1988 14d ago
Spishtar (NP2) was my go to option until I got Morgan (also NP2). There are just so many busted Extra Classes.
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u/GhostHostess appreciate arjuna or else 14d ago
I have to assume that the ability to clear the battle easily is a factor bc some of these spots are legit surprising. Douman not breaking top 10 or Tenochitlan barely making top 50 is really odd feeling
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u/ZeothTheHedgehog I have found my Queen 15d ago
I see that my Grand Extra Picks are placed first and second XD
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u/OloivoFRUIT 15d ago
Kuku on the 19th spot
The extea classes are very crowded so Iāll take it
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u/MN_Yogi1988 14d ago
I love Kukuās character and gameplay but Iām not a fan of her art design (I generally donāt like the Aztec theme)
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Jalter/Castoria/Musashi Enjoyer 15d ago
I'm so glad my queen Jalter is #2. Makes perfect sense why Olga is #1 but regardless, I'm glad Jalter is still in such a top even if there are more servants with more mechanics and interesting ways to fights.
Goes to show nothing can beat pure raw power and well built character development over the years.
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u/Mitiono Obsessed with the Fiery Frenchwoman in my head 14d ago
This.
Complete honesty losing top spot to OLGA of all people is something to be proud of. Basically means that if Olga wasn't there Jeanne D'Arc Alter would be the single most granded extra class.
Which honestly has got to make her feel really happy to know she's so well loved by everyone.
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u/WaifuHunterRed Rider of Beasts 14d ago
I love Olga so i wouldn't mind if she kept it but honestly wouldn't be surprised if she lost the tip spot by next year. Since she's also the new hotness at the time and a heavily asked for servant. But I feel like after a while when all that dust settles that's when a servants true popularity shows which really makes Jalter being 2nd just that more um grand.
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u/-Naver- 15d ago
Surprised to see Tiamat being so low on the list.
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u/Anvenjade insert flair text here 14d ago
Truly a sacrilege. Mother deserves more.
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u/MrStalfos 14d ago
Man Tiamom not even on the top 15 is trully heresy. She has her grand spot ready in my Chaldea along with madam President. She deserves it.
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u/lostiming 14d ago
Didn't realise grand extras could be any 2 instead of 1 from extra I and 1 from extra II. Does that mean it's more efficient to have both from same extra so you can develop other class scores first?
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u/StrangeMagic92 13d ago
I have mixed feelings. In one hand, although I know why, seeing Arc in 4th warms my heart. In the other hand, VOYAGER DESERVES BETTER THAN THAT!!!
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u/spartenx IWAE! THE BEAST EMPEROR WHO PRESIDES OVER HUMANITY'S ENDS 14d ago edited 14d ago
Damn, neither of my faves made the top 10 (12 and 17 arenāt bad though)
EDIT: Am I the only one who just noticed that the class card for extra 2 looks exactly like the hen shin pose for Kamen Rider Zi-O
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u/Leoughen Evil waifu enthusiast & hitozuma enjoyer. 14d ago
I chose Tiamat (28th) and Marie Alter(47th) for my JP account, and for NA I will grand Summer BB(37th) and Abby(16th). I tried to focus on hitozumas in JP and evil waifus in NA but somehow they all ended up being evil aligned.
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u/UnderstandingMuch688 14d ago
if only I can beat Grand Marie and Stellar Marie, I would've Granded my Olga Marie too, it's just so hard to beat those kind of Quests ahhhhhhhh
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u/Yimx 15d ago
I am surprised that Mash is only in 7th place. Also did not anticipate that Ciel and Count would be higher than her.
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u/HemaG33 :Ereshkigal:. 15d ago
I'm not surprised bc appmedia is very gameplay-focused and while Mash is an excelent gameplay grand candidate in the long run she's unable to 1-turn the grand fights which means a lot of ppl will grand someone else for the duration of the raids and then switch over to her later
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u/Psykoli094 15d ago
Oberon is a surprise for me
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u/DIOSITO012 15d ago
He is extremly popular despise having a AOE np that can It can harm you more than help you he is like the most beloved original boy in this game
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u/Quiet_Description_70 14d ago
Why? His role in Lb6 is perfectly hinted and written. His bond CE and Valentine are really good lore-wise. Chica Umino his artist is popular in Japan for her two beloved series (Honey&Clover and March Comes In like a Lion) and Nasu doesn't hide his extreme fanboying in the interviews and his blog posts at all.
It's as if Nasu gets into his youthful otaku suit whenever he talks about Oberon and Umino.
For me, āHoney and Cloverā is a very important work.
I canāt simply categorize it as an interesting work.
It's one of the mental pillars of support that lets me work hard when Iām struggling with my creativity.
(I get a little choked up at the episodes where Hagu is making things on all her lonesome)And with that, before I knew what was happening, I'd managed to meet with Umino Chika, as blessed by fate as I was.
I talked⦠a lot.
I splurted out 20 years of all my thoughts onto her.
āI've been a fan since CUTiEcomic. I created this game called Tsukihime and then when we have the fandisk for it one of our staff-members called OKSG introduced me to this one manga, saying it would totally be up my alley and so I fell in love at first sight (volume). And with that, I looked around the bookstores for the previous magazines and managed to enjoy myself up to volume 2 but then the magazine it was published in was suspended... I mean what the heckā¦! As I despaired, it restarted serialization in YOUNG YOU and so out of sheer happiness, the three of us - me, OKSG and Takeuchi - went drinking while talking through how beautiful the world was. Humanity was alright after all. Yamada is so beautiful. Seeing as I am a wordsmith, I poured my attention over the line delivery and the monologues, like man Chikaās monologues are just so... keen... and heart-wrenching⦠yet so sincere and vulnerable, you write it so beautifully Iām afraid my heart as a creator is gonna break, itās like your words as sharp as a knife powered up into words as sharp as a katana with āMarch comes like a lionā, I mean really take care of yourself... Still⦠I wanna see how it continues, I want Shizuku to become happier than ever before! (snip) Perhaps one day we could work together on something... even if it gets me killed..."
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u/ic0n67 éåććć¦ćæćļ¼ 14d ago
I know she is new, but where is Shiki?
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u/Radiant-Hope-469 We will never reach 2018 14d ago
Not included. She was released after the Grand Duel.
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u/1lluusio I love the kind of girl that will just poison me 14d ago
Very surprised to see Tenochtitlan so low, I was under the impression that she was beloved on JP. Or is it simply a matter of everyone else before her being just that more useful/more liked?
Also pleasantly surprised to see Voyager and Hessian Lobo so high. Dont get me wrong, I'm glad to see the doggo and the golden boy so high, but I was under the impression that they arent that busted, nor as beloved as some of the Servants below them.
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u/Kazumari Tenochtitlan's number 1 priest 14d ago
Gameplay is an important part of this and Tenochi is a 4 stars Quick AOE sub-dps, she was never going to rank that great. If you look at the poll Appmedia did for the anni CEs for example with no gameplay influence, she ranked pretty high.
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u/SuicuneSol 14d ago
Oh man, this list makes me kind of upset. I'm not realy into Jeanne Alter. And I feel Ciel and Arc being so high up there is due to them being crossover characters from Tsukihime. I'm kind of shocked that Ms. President is number 1 despite vanishing from the game for so many years, Lostbelt 7 did a lot for her, but still.
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u/WaifuHunterRed Rider of Beasts 14d ago
I'm just gonna cope Draco isn't as high as I would like because she's possibly the worse servant fighting wise for the grand extra dual. Especially since beast eresh out ranked her and even took the minimum I wanted Draco to rank...
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u/DIOSITO012 15d ago
There is a lot of surprises like Nobunaga being higher than Kukulkan or Tiamat being kinda low, maybe the AOE np It is a stronger limitation than I thought, I think her summer version would be high in the archer poll but Kagekiyo It's a bigger surprise now that I see
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u/Aerohed 15d ago
Even if this is probably partially dictated by ease of farming, I'm not surprised to see JAlter in second. If anything, the fact that she got that high with even the U Olga hype train is a testament to her overwhelming popularity.
I would have liked to see a split between Extra 1 and 2 on the poll, though I understand that it's the way it is since you can choose two of one or the other.