Looking for some feedback for faster lap times

[u/IamdWalru5]

I've been a long time Gran Turismo player but never really delved into higher level of play especially in Sport mode. I'm looking to change that and hopefully raise my DR alongside that. I have achieved Gold in all license tests, but I seem to lose these lessons when it comes to races themselves. Here is my gameplay for this week's Daily Race A qualifying time. Hoping for some feedback on what I am doing wrong (or right), what I should be improving on, and possible practice routines. Thanks

[u/Sparrowhawk996]

It’s good that you’re driving without the racing line or braking zone, that’s the first step. The way to get faster now is by racing a ghost, and figuring out where you’re gaining/losing time

[u/Individual_Koala_925 → u/Sparrowhawk996]

I stopped using the lines but left the brake zones and indicators, just wanted to know do they also make you lose time on turns?

[u/janky_koala]

Both hair pins probably cost you a second each. Use all of the track and carry as much speed as you can through them. On the first come in a lot fast and use the whole road to exit. On the second start wider and carry more speed to the apex, then be flat through the following right to the straight.

They both have long straights afterwards, so every extra kph you lose through the turns is amplified by the end of the straight.

[u/IamdWalru5 → u/janky_koala]

Thanks for this in-depth analysis. Really makes it easier to apply on track

[u/janky_koala → u/IamdWalru5]

Load up a ghost of the top times and take note of their braking and turn in points, lines, and gear choice.

[u/cody1428]

Try downshifting more in your turns. Gear shifting is integral. Speed up right before turns then downshift to second gear as you’re breaking (hard turns). Half way through the turn give it gas. Wait for the rpms meter to go 4/5ths of the way before upshifting.

[u/IamdWalru5 → u/[deleted]]

by extending braking points, do you mean braking a little bit later or braking a little bit longer

[u/YeHaLyDnAr]

Put the racing lines on for a while, it will help you judge speed and trajectory better so that you maintain traction through the corners.

[u/Ok-Transportation260]

All I could think of is to avoid sudden steer and sliding in couple of high speed corners and instead start steering sooner but smoother.

[u/IamdWalru5 → u/Ok-Transportation260]

I have a lot of understeer unless I make the car slide. How do I counter this?

[u/Ok-Transportation260 → u/IamdWalru5]

Start steering earlier as I said. from very outside of the corner go inside early like you want to go off-track. You actually did well. You just missed it at the first corner and another one.

[u/mk87rd]

You are not smooth. And you have to change gear faster.

[u/HereForTheMaymays → u/[deleted]]

Not true, I’m on a controller more often than not and change gears with x and square

[u/HereForTheMaymays → u/[deleted]]

What? I choose when to change gears on a shifter, and I choose when to change gears on a controller??

[u/Bitter-Stage6346 → u/[deleted]]

How is this not immediately apparent? Map your preferred shifting buttons to the controller and push them.

[u/Heathen_Inc → u/[deleted]]

[u/paramonium → u/[deleted]]

He is obviously talking about shifting earlier as opposed to staying redlined for as long as he OP is. This isn't ideal in every car or situation though, you need to know the car and be familiar with the gear ratios.

You got down voted for not making sense and for clearly not understanding what everyone else is talking about, "mysteriousdownvotes" is laughable.

"Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong and or a bot"

[u/Boobytalk]

Watch your speed, braking,maybe? It appears you scrubbed ample time in sliding into a few corners. Imo I can't say much cause I do the same. I guess i should practice what I preach huh? 😆 but yeah, no markers, braking zones, etc. is definitely great. Just go with till you get it brother.

[u/crabwalktechnic]

If you already know the track, try using the lap timer instead of the map. It shows section times and helps you analyze your own driving. Combined with the ghost, you can see what you're taking faster and slower.

Also you should carry more speed in the hairpin.

[u/Amalo]

Corner 1 - you should try to prevent the slide there; also 4th gear is too slow coming out, downshift to 3 on the way out

Corner 3 & 4 - you seem to be attacking each one independently instead of chaining the two together

The hairpin - use your speed and the candor of the road to quickly go around instead of slowing down so much

The last 3 corners - you can cut more of the apexes to keep more pace of speed

Working on the weight transfer, proper gear shifting, and being more fluid around corners. These will help improve your lap time

[u/Amalo → u/Amalo]

SammySnake gave a good video on this. https://youtu.be/RCXQyXn4_W0?si=iy2c1VFBHzgvdDmy

[u/Pinkcadillac90]

If you’re losing traction you’re losing time.

[u/Zee69_]

Work better on your weight transfer you skid too much when you enter

[u/benniebeeker]

Smooth out your steering. You're very jerky.

[u/ResearchInitial]

you should avoid breaking traction and sliding, its eating your speed far too much to be worth it

also stop hitting the dirt on the corners, itd be more fine if you werent also jumping curbs but doing that is killing your speed and you also temporarily lose grip while you have dirt on your wheels

[u/P3t3R_Parker]

First corner, drop to 3rd and hold it up the hill, shift to 4th at the crest.

Need to wind that car out and feather throttle. Its a bloody Audi!

Keep revs up and flog the thing, stay off the kerbs.

Hope this helps.

[u/GinLenon0311]

In reality the guide is also clean, what I can tell you is for example: 1 Not being an endurance/race car, I would use all the engine rpm (plus more uphill)

2 in the fast corners after the hairpin, try to modulate at the entrance and not in the middle of the corner, otherwise I'd say you're already in a good place

[u/paramonium]

You don't trail brake very much from what I have seen. You kinda seem to have full gas or full brakes and not a lot of balancing or fine control balancing the two at the same time

[u/IamdWalru5 → u/paramonium]

I'm aware of trailbraking. Just not sure if I'm doing it well or not doing any of it at all. Just to get it out there as well this is done on controller and I've heard it's a lot harder to do on controller. How do I know if I have trailbreaked successfully

[u/paramonium → u/IamdWalru5]

So you're aware of it, yet know nothing about it and downvote the comment in regards to it, and then ask for advice about the very topic you down voted? I'm not even gonna bother answering

[u/IamdWalru5 → u/paramonium]

mate, that's the last thing I would do when asking for help as every sensible person should. Not sure who downvoted you, but it sure as hell ain't me

[u/paramonium → u/IamdWalru5]

My bad. You basically wanna brake while still being on the throttle in some corners as you slowly let off the gas, and you also wanna accelerate and/or maintain RPMs while braking to maintain traction and momentum/forward momentum. There's a couple in game lessons that go over it, but I don't really like a lot of the in game lessons so I would recommend finding a video that explains it better, but those missions are decent for practice.

A lot of it has to do with balance of the car. It might be a weird analogy, but maybe think of it like balancing a grind on the Tony Hawk games, but you're using the triggers/pedals instead of a stick and visual balance meter. You wanna use the brakes and gas to balance out an idea sweet spot for grip, but this is dynamic as the corner evolves, and totally depends on the corner, the car, entry speed, etc.

If you have good car feel or intuition you'll understand how much more or less of one you need than the other.

On certain cars, especially older Porsche and other RR/RWD, it is an essential skill to balance the throttle and braking while cornering, as you can't just let off the gas especially from 100-0 without completely losing control of the car. Practice on some of those if you want a bit of a challenge. They don't handle like most cars but if you can master driving one of them, you'll intuitively get good understanding of trail braking and car balance, especially in terms of easing on and off the gas, as those cars are light and fast as hell, with a weird balance to begin with. They called the 930 "the Widowmaker" for a reason.

As a test or experiment, you could set a car with maximum shock/spring settings with very high compression and expansion ratios, so the car will handle like a chuck wagon, or look like an old school Baja truck with the ridiculously springy suspension, You'll notice how much your nose dips when you brake and how much it lifts when you accelerate in extreme circumstances, and you'll notice the body roll a lot more in corners. This helps give an extreme visual scenario for how to load cars into corners, and how balancing the car is crucial but just played out at a smaller scale, and with less room for error in a normal circumstance. If you want it to be extra challenging, turn off traction control and this will also help you understand a bit of the nuance and finesse you should be using with the gas and brakes.

It is probably natural to want to not brake and gas at the same time, and it is also probably instinctive to want to accelerate from 0-100% as quickly as possible, but you obviously don't just gun it flat out around every corner, especially some of the longer and weirder shaped ones.

In real life/normal driving circumstances, there isn't really much need to trail brake so it will probably be unnatural and not intuitive until you get into race mode where it becomes essential.

As a side note, the car you are driving doesn't exactly handle great, relatively speaking. It could just be me, but I don't really like most of the Audi's as they all feel heavy, slow, and usually have bad understeering.