r/hardware • u/diabetic_debate • Jan 20 '25

Video Review [der8auer] - RTX 5090 - Not Even Here and People are Already Disappointed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAceREYg-Qc
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u/jhoosi Jan 20 '25

And 25% higher price.

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u/Darksider123 Jan 20 '25

Soooo... No progress?

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u/80avtechfan Jan 20 '25

Yep, and no competition - apparently at any price point even though GPUs are already with retailers...

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u/Darksider123 Jan 20 '25

Yeah that's so fucking hilarious. Oh well, people have to wait till March ig

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u/Etroarl55 Jan 21 '25

I fr get that this was a skip generation for AMD(they are cited to having a halo tier competitor against nvidia like they did with the 6950xt) but this I feels like is killing support or the brand in the eyes of many people for Radeon GPUs lol

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u/80avtechfan Jan 21 '25

Yeah their refusal to release their product earlier at a good price will kill them this gen. They obviously think they need to wait to see what the street prices are for 5070 & 5070Ti and also to release some half-baked frame gen competitor, not realising the people who buy them do so for excellent value raster performance (which this gen should also be accompanied by much better RT performance also).

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u/Noreng Jan 21 '25

There's one constant among all AMD GPU releases for the past 15+ years: they always find some way to fail their launch.

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u/xfvh Jan 21 '25

If I remember right, it's on the same node and they're just using a bigger die. This should surprise no one.

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u/Strazdas1 Jan 21 '25

Yes, but somehow they managed to make the same size core do more work now, so theres uarch improvements.

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u/Stahlreck Jan 21 '25

4090 Ti basically.

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u/Strazdas1 Jan 21 '25

Given that 4090 was twice the progress in that comparison, its lasting twice as long.

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u/elessarjd Jan 21 '25

Ooof I was considering a 5090 but I really don’t want to reward Nvidia for this kind of bullshit.

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u/jhoosi Jan 21 '25

Then don’t.

Nvidia knows it can ask for high prices if people pay for it, and with AI being the prima source of their income they probably don’t even care if you don’t buy it.

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u/elessarjd Jan 21 '25

Doesn’t change the fact that I want to run games on 4K and don’t want to upgrade in 2 years by getting a weaker card. They have leverage and they know it.

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u/NamerNotLiteral Jan 21 '25

absolutely nothing is stopping you from turning the graphics settings down slightly in 2 years. You can get tens of frames back for invisible changes

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u/firagabird Jan 21 '25

No, if I go from Ultra to Very High, I literally turn into pixels

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u/jhoosi Jan 21 '25

Alas, that’s the state of the PC gaming market, unfortunately. Gotta pay to play… right into the hands of Nvidia, that is.

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u/a-mighty-stranger Jan 21 '25

I’m in the same boat and don’t know what to do. I’m mostly concerned about the 16gb of vram on the 5080 for AAA games in the next few years.

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u/RyzenSavior Feb 04 '25

I wouldn't worry unless your playing 4k native or doing ai. This sudden marketing scheme to suggest that anyone with less than 40gb of vram is screwed. Lol I guess they are called influencers for a reason. I do play 4k native on a custom looped 4090. I also use extra vram do having 6 displays active and some tensor apps in play. I also have a dedicated stat screen so I regularly see my realtime vram usage. Even the most demanding aaa title run about 14gb. Most run 10-12. At 4k native or with rendering at 8k and running at 4k. If you run 1440 or use upscaling your vram usage will be much less. Simply because texture size (resolution) will be one of the largest variables that affect vram usage and then raytracing stuff. Your probably gonna be fine until we goto 8k resolutions. In which case we would both need new gpus. Even the 4090 or 5090 will run like crap in 8k native with raytracing. On the other hand... they definitely want to convince you it will never work and you better buy more. "The more you buy the more you save"!! Lol

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u/detectiveDollar Jan 21 '25

Unfortunately I can't blame them, the 4090 was difficult to find in stock for MSRP for a LONG time and it's availability tracked with the AI boom.

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u/JudgeCheezels Jan 21 '25

Nvidia’s gaming revenue is 3.3b last quarter, ~10% of their data center revenue.

They don’t care if you don’t buy the 5090 lol.

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u/elessarjd Jan 21 '25

Yep they’re spending millions on R&D, marketing and manufacturing to not sell video cards. Don’t be naive.

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u/JudgeCheezels Jan 21 '25 edited Jan 21 '25

No shit, they’re selling video cards. But it’s no longer the primary focus and more a novelty legacy. Jensen will keep it going for as long as he lives but the rest of the company doesn’t care if you don’t buy the 5090 lol.

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u/Strazdas1 Jan 21 '25

Jensen said he wants gaming to remain an important market for Nvidia. It makes sense, its a stable revenue source with loyal customer base that they have a practical monopoly on.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '25

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u/Strazdas1 Jan 22 '25

I think you are underestimating how much entrenchment and knowledge accumulation exists in these markets. Look at Intels struggles with drivers, where they constantly run into issues that yes, existed for Nvidia and AMD, and got solved a decade ago and now they got a decade of driver engineering to fall back onto that Intel has to build from scratch. It isnt only about making good hardware architecture.

And as for going into another market, well, Nvidia was building CUDA support since 2006. Takes a while.

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u/JudgeCheezels Jan 21 '25

That’s right.

I’m not saying that gaming will cease from Nvidia. I’m simply stating the fact that gaming is now no longer Nvidia’s main focus. It’s still their second largest business.

All I’m saying is if some guy doesn’t want to buy a 5090, Nvidia doesn’t care because that’s not where the bulk of their operating profit is made anyway.

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u/Emotional_Inside4804 Jan 21 '25

To bad it's not up to Jensen, his job as CEO (legaly required) is to make shareholders happy. So if nVidia can increase their DC business by 10%, no one would bet an eye for the GPU market as it is becoming irrelevant.

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u/ResponsibleJudge3172 Jan 21 '25

He is the biggest shareholder and 1/3 original founders that started the company

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u/Emotional_Inside4804 Jan 21 '25

No he isn't the biggest shareholder. He is the fifth biggest with 3.5% of shares.

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u/ResponsibleJudge3172 Jan 21 '25

My apologies, biggest single shareholder. With orgs like Vanguard outstripping him

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u/bob- Jan 22 '25

Yeah Nvidia will just let 3-4 billion on the table because of.. Reasons 🤡

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u/Emotional_Inside4804 Jan 22 '25

If they can make 6-8 bill they won't give a fuck.

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u/detectiveDollar Jan 21 '25

They're not going to throw away their biggest market unless they see themselves legitimately never being able to have enough supply to satisfy the demands of workstation/serverland.

If their dGPU business was the size of Intel's then maybe, but they're the biggest fish by far right now.

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u/churrbroo Jan 22 '25

While you might think shareholders are as naive as to go “money me money now”, the board of directors are actually whom the CEO answers.

They also understand basic concepts such as not giving up virtual monopolies and reputational impact that the gaming industry brings alongside stable income despite it being paltry vs data centre income.

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u/Strazdas1 Jan 22 '25

It is up to Jensen. Jensen has a very firm grasp of Nvidia and where it is going. Always had. He is also the largest shareholder.

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u/Emotional_Inside4804 Jan 22 '25

Lol that's not how publicly traded companies work in he is not the largest shareholder, he has to bend to the will of whatever the majority votes for.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '25

It's definitely still a focus. Stop being stupid.

They're a big multi-biilion dollar company. They want more money, not less money, and gaming is still a big part of their portfolio. (15+%)

Also, if/when the AI bubble crashes, gaming will always be there for them. So they need to keep innovating in that field.

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u/JudgeCheezels Jan 21 '25

Which part of it’s no longer the primary focus do you not understand?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '25

15+% of their revenue stream isn't a "novelty legacy," which is what you stated.

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u/JudgeCheezels Jan 21 '25

Wow. Ok let's spell it out for you.

GOING-FORWARD-IN-THE-FUTURE. The product we're talking about which is the 5090 and it has not been launched yet, it's a FUTURE product - as of this post.

It is very clear that Nvidia is no longer aligning its gaming business as its primary focus, but neither are they eradicating it. Will gaming GPUs continue to be a part of Nvidia's future? Absolutely. But to what extent? We don't know, that's speculative. What I think will happen is that it'll be a novelty legacy.

We cool now?

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u/PembyVillageIdiot Jan 21 '25 edited Jan 21 '25

(2000-1600)/(1600) =0.25 x100% = 25%

The msrp was $1599 for the FE