r/hockey • u/homicidal_penguin OTT - NHL • 19h ago
If your favourite team could have a re-do on one transaction over the past 10 years, what would it be?
Could be a trade, draft pick, signing etc.
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u/MattNHLBlues STL - NHL 19h ago
Give Alex Pietrangelo his NTC
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u/NotTheRocketman STL - NHL 13h ago
That's the obvious one yes, but I don't know how much it REALLY helps them in the end.
That Blues core had one, maybe two more shots at it before it need to be torn down as it was. Career ending injuries to Gunnersson and Bouwmeester just devastated that blueline too.
What really sucked for the Blues was Covid. They never got a real shot to defend their title. When the stoppage hit in 2020, the Blues were second in the entire league. In the Bubble, they were a shadow of themselves, they had several players who had contracted Covid during the summer and were still feeling the effects and could never get going.
Ultimately, they're in a great spot now, and that's a really fast turnaround all things considered.
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u/NRS1991 STL - NHL 12h ago
I hate to get hung up on semantics but this exercise is tricky because if it’s technically one move you’re undoing/redoing, I don’t think we would’ve been cap compliant with Petro coming, Krug still signing (?), and Faulk/Parayko already locked up.
But ok if I move beyond that, I think the best flow of transactions for that period - without hindsight - would be re-signing Petro, still signing Krug, and trading Faulk for anything of value. I know everyone always thinks of those moves as Petro out, Krug in, because the news broke within hours of each other, but I think if they would’ve extended Petro, they would’ve known that right side wouldn’t be sustainable, especially after the recent outgoings to the left side you mentioned. I’d then argue that the piece where it DOES help in the end is their last dance in 21-22. I could see Petro being part of the equation that pushes the Avs to 7 and who the hell knows what happens in game 7. I mean, I think the Binner injury was the biggest catalyst in not going 7 but I can’t undo that part for this exercise. If they advance there, they could’ve won another Cup. It’s a bummer because I loved that team, especially the stat where our top 9 were all 20+ goal scorers.
And then obviously the wheels fall off in 22-23 anyway.
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u/DifferentDebate3642 11h ago
One thing to note on this scenario, is that if we signed Pieterangelo, we likely don’t sign Krug and possibly even Faulk. I’d have traded a few more years of Pietrangelo for either or both of those two.
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u/NotTheRocketman STL - NHL 11h ago
Ideally, you re-sign Petro BEFORE trading for Faulk.
That stops the train from leaving the station altogether.
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u/AcanthocephalaGreen5 MTL - NHL 19h ago
Sergachev for Drouin in an attempt to make Drouin a centre for them.
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u/SuzukiSwift17 MTL - NHL 17h ago
If taking Kotkaniemi over Tkachuk counts Im going with that.
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u/BB-Lala MTL - NHL 15h ago
F Tkachuk. Missing on Quinn Hughes was the real drama with the KK draft. We could've had a Hughes/Sergachev 1st pair for the last 6 years or so.
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u/SuzukiSwift17 MTL - NHL 14h ago
They play the same side. Hughes as a Weber partner for a couple years is a big miss though, true.
If we had Hughes we probably dont take a swing on Hutson though. Who isn't as good now but is similar. Tkachuk is something we just dont have right now. Maybe Slaf can grow into it but Brady is just a rare player (not that Hughes isn't. Just we ended up with Guhle, Hutson, Matheson, Struble, Xhekaj there with Engstrom coming quick. Its our best position. ).
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u/discofrislanders NYI - NHL 19h ago
Toews, hands down.
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u/askmagoo NYI - NHL 18h ago
Or trade Tavares rather be played by him.
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u/discofrislanders NYI - NHL 18h ago
Yeah, we would've gotten an astronomical haul for him that easily could've extended our window of contention. There's an alternate timeline where Garth sees the writing on the wall in 2018 and sells off Tavares, Bailey, Nelson, Lee, and Eberle (all of whom were UFAs in 2018 or 2019). Although I guess this would've led to the team sucking when we opened UBS.
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u/maxwellbevan DET - NHL 18h ago
This is an interesting one because you guys came very close to winning the cup on two occasions without him. If you guys get through the lightning in 2021 you would have won the cup. It's completely possible the assets you get in return would throw off your course to back to back Eastern Conference finals
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u/supe_snow_man 17h ago
If you guys get through the lightning in 2021 you would have won the cup.
I mean, the Leafs, Jets and Golden Knight were all supposed to beat the Habs that year.
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u/moutardebaseball MTL - NHL 19h ago
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u/maxwellbevan DET - NHL 18h ago
Monkey paw curls. You draft Zadina instead
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u/Xperr7 Barrie Colts - OHL 15h ago
Eh, hindsight's 20/20
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u/maxwellbevan DET - NHL 15h ago
It's why I'm okay with the Zadina pick. We made the right selection at the time. Obviously if we could do it again we'd pick Hughes but there's not a fan out there that wasn't ecstatic that we landed Zadina
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u/BodaciousBadongadonk 12h ago
dont look in the wings sub tho, theres a jabroni or two that likes to go off like they knew better at the time
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u/betweenthecastles CAR - NHL 14h ago
I still love and believe in him but with hindsight same. If we just didn’t offersheet him and re-sign trocheck, we’d be better off the last couple years. Although probably still not good enough to beat the Panthers so whatever
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u/greg19735 CAR - NHL 16h ago
I think this thread needs to be separated into drafts and anything else. Because honestly 99% of the draft stuff is pretty boring as it's all hindsight with perfect info. Speculating on future of trades (or lack of) is more fun
Like, the correct answer currently is "we didn't pick Krill Kaprizov in the 3rd round" for like 90% of teams.
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u/Affectionate_Top2157 TOR - NHL 10h ago
Honestly by "transactions" I thought OP meant trades or contract signings and I thought we were going to get some cool answers but most of this thread is just not drafting some superstar. Forget Kaprizov, even the Quinn Hughes one is boring. This is what redrafts are for lol.
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u/Baboshinu DET - NHL 19h ago
Draft Quinn Hughes instead of Zadina
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u/sableknight13 DET - NHL 18h ago
Hughes - Seider
Edvinsson - Sandin-Pelikka
Might have been the best top 4 D core in the league.
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u/bongrips19 DET - NHL 17h ago edited 17h ago
Who’s to say we draft Ed mo of ASP
I think our core might look different at least on the defensive side
It helps actually hitting on another 1st round pick like if Zadina Theoretically hit. Imagine if we had a top 6 or top line scorer. Or if we drafted Cozens instead of Mo because we had Hughes maybe we keep Hronek.
The rabbit hole is very interesting to think about but much every other team Hindsight is always 20/20
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u/sableknight13 DET - NHL 15h ago
Who’s to say we draft Ed mo of ASP
Oh for sure, but you can't really account for all those possibilities and the ripple effect of it when going back with hindsight, I agree most likely we would have kept Hughes - Hronek and wouldn't have drafted as many top end D men, but you never know.
In either case, was just conjecturing based off the one change.
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u/TheCarrier89 TOR - NHL 18h ago
Either kadri for Barrie/Kerfoot or having to pay Carolina a first to take Marleau off our hands which ended up turning in to Seth Jarvis.
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u/boredguy13 18h ago
No way they draft Jarvis though, they would've turned that 1st rounder into a 2nd and 4 3rds.
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u/spaceporter TOR - NHL 14h ago
I feel like the Marleau signing was the mistake? It made us better when we still should have wanted higher picks. Once we had him, we had little choice but to dump the contract like that given the space we needed.
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u/mastocker BOS - NHL 19h ago
Since this is the last year it applies, the Boston Bruins 2015 draft.
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u/kenfury BUF - NHL 18h ago
Given that I'm no fan of Boston, I was screaming at the TV with those picks. I only assume they had a move up plan that didn't happen
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u/UncleBen94 UMass Lowell - NCAA 18h ago
Yup. Rumor was we tried to move up to 2 to pick Eichel but Buffalo wouldn't budge. Then we tried to go to 3 for either Hanifin or Strome. That didn't happen either.
The belief was that Zboril, DeBrusk, and Senyshyn were on our board as our top 3 prospects given what picks we had before all the trades for the other two 1sts happened and when we couldn't move up, they decided to pick those three.
Zboril was pick right where he was projected (something that's often forgotten), DeBrusk was considered a slight reach, and Senyshyn was the biggest reach.
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u/kenfury BUF - NHL 16h ago
IMHO Debrusk was a safe 3/4 grinder which is very Boston. Senyshyn wan a pick that had me going WTF are you doing Boston.
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u/UncleBen94 UMass Lowell - NCAA 13h ago
And he was considered a late 1st/early 2nd rounder by many. Before we traded Lucic and Hamilton for the other two 1sts, we had our original 1st and 2nd, and an early 2nd we got for trading Boychuk earlier.
So when we couldn't swing that trade to move up, Sweeney and Neely panicked and picked the top 3 names on their board, to much pain and anguish.
It was bad then as it was now, but given the context, it fits.
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u/bladeovcain EDM - NHL 19h ago
Where to begin...
The Griffon Reinhart trade for starters.
The Taylor Hall trade (wasnt that bad in hindsight, but I would've tried to get more for it)
The Milan Lucic contract
The Darnell Nurse extention
The Jack Campbell contract
The offer sheet shitshow
The entire summer of Jeff
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u/eddiewachowski EDM - NHL 16h ago
I still like the "what if Tkachuk instead of Pool Party?" I think we'd have been a top heavy team, got to the final sooner but collapsed due to lack of D and Goalie anyways
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u/Embarrassed_Bath5148 EDM - NHL 14h ago
We’d trade Tkachuk to get it, that’s what you do if you are top heavy and need other pieces.
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u/bladeovcain EDM - NHL 14h ago
I firmly believe that had we drafted Tkachuk instead of Puljujärvi and drafted either Barzal or Ericksson-Ek instead of trading the pick for Griffon Reinhart that we probably couldve at least made it to the cup finals that year.
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u/gotridofsubs WPG - NHL 16h ago
The Nurse extension is the only one thats really killing you right now, thats my pick for the oilers
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u/tc0n4 18h ago
2015 draft. Don Sweeney had 3 consecutive first round picks and came away with next to nothing.
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u/lemieuxisgod NM Ice Wolves - NAHL 18h ago
Any time I feel like I suck at my job I go to the staff bathroom bring up that draft report and laugh until I feel better.
If they just picked the next three players selected you would be looking at +1000 points.
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u/tkecanuck341 LAK - NHL 19h ago
For the Kings, I think most people would probably say the Dubois trade, but to me the Cal Petersen cap dump to Philadelphia was significantly worse.
LA gave up Sean Walker, Helge Grans, and a 2nd round Pick to dump Cal Petersen's contract, while eating $2M per year on the last two years of Provorov's deal for Columbus. It amounted to $1.85M in annual cap savings, as Petersen would have only cost the Kings $3.85M if they had stashed him in the AHL.
Less than a year later, Philadelphia would get a 1st round pick in exchange for Sean Walker who is now playing in a top four role in Carolina on a long-term, team-friendly contract, while the Kings just gave Cody Ceci that god awful deal. They went from probably the single-best RHD pipeline in the NHL to having absolutely no one behind Brandt Clarke in only 2 years.
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u/Desert_Pyrate8 LAK - NHL 18h ago
Like holy shit man
Durzi, Walker, Faber, Roy, Spence, Grans.
Like fuck man 31 GM’s would literally fucking shoot someone dead for that kinda depth on the right side……and for ALL OF THOSE we ONLY have Fiala to show for it.
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u/ShoppingNo3927 15h ago
And to think Holland only just got there. Hold onto your cheeks bc it will only get worse
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u/-kashmir- PIT - NHL 18h ago
Hiring hextal as gm
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u/UnpopularOpinionJake 16h ago
I’m going to say giving up Fleury instead of giving Vegas Murray.
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u/-kashmir- PIT - NHL 16h ago
That was a big one. I also think trading away matheson sent us down a disasterous route on d that they are still trying to fix.
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u/Ineverwashere93 19h ago
For the Ducks:
Letting Montour or Wild Bill go :(
Bonus because it hurts - letting Perry and Gibson go
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u/Kashmiggins ANA - NHL 13h ago
Tbh the ducks were doomed to have a rough rebuild after all the contending years. There’s not one single transaction that would’ve put the ducks any more in contention than they were and likely would’ve just delayed the rebuild.
I would go with not buying out Perry just to remove that sour taste about how his time in Anaheim ended.
But also I would argue hiring Cronin set this team back and did irreparable damage to the development of some of our top prospects. That would be a good reversal
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u/BeeCee139 18h ago
IIRC wasn't the goal of trading Montour to balance how many LD and RD we had on the roster, or am I making that up? What a wild reason for a trade.
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u/SavageRengar MTL - NHL 19h ago
Probably the Drouin for Sergachev trade
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u/Burgergold MTL - NHL 18h ago
If draft can be reviewed, it might also be pick someone else than KK
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u/tehsdragon MTL - NHL 18h ago
Quinn Hughes over KK, can you imagine what it would've been like for a Hughes/Weber pairing on the latter and Price's Final World Tour?
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u/PassZestyclose7572 18h ago
KK scored the game 6 game winner vs the leafs.
if we draft Brady we probably don't bottom out enough to get Demidov, Slaf and Rein either.
Zadina is a bum
Hughes...would just be deeply tragic cause we would have only got 2 years of Hughes Weber (which i assume would just easily be the best pairing in the league)
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u/maxwellbevan DET - NHL 18h ago
Depends if you get to pick with hindsight. Zadina was the one expected to go at 3 so it's completely possible you end up with him if not KK. Granted none of us knew the Habs draft board so maybe it's Tkachuk instead
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u/RyanWalts MTL - NHL 17h ago
Tkachuk is very much a Bergevin type of player, if they’re not chasing the centre then I think he would have been the guy.
Funny enough I bet there’s almost as much complaining about Tkachuk over Zadina as we saw with Kotkaniemi. Brady was consistently ranked in the top-five but I remember the public sphere wasn’t as high on him, lots of Habs fans thought he was going to be the pick and weren’t excited about it lol
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u/maxwellbevan DET - NHL 14h ago
Yeah Zadina was the consensus 3rd best player so every team was expecting to draft him. KK, Brady, and Hayton were not the players that fans wanted their team to pick. However every one of them has worked out better than Zadina. The Tkachuk draft thread is funny to look back on because sens fans were not happy
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u/GaryBettmansRightNut 19h ago
Man I hope it’s not the Blues’ Bolduc trade this year. Painful.
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u/PassZestyclose7572 18h ago
i just don't see Mailloux having the IQ to really become a top 4 D.
incredible skater, amazing shot, big, strong, mean, RD, physical. i think he checks almost every box you could imagine. but he just got clowned on in his zone all season in the AHL.
and Bolduc has the juice.
new meta is just only draft RD over 6'2 and just ship them out for roster players.
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u/SuzukiSwift17 MTL - NHL 17h ago
If he cant figure it out with the Blues D-core around to teach and Montgomery coaching hes not gonna. If he does he could be a hell of a player though.
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u/ae_89 STL - NHL 18h ago
Lotta downers on that trade but I thought it made a lot of sense when it was made and think the Blues will ultimately be happy they made it.
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u/Just4nsfwpics MTL - NHL 17h ago
The concept is completely sound, and it’s a risk thats probably worth taking, but I do think the chance Mallioux becomes a 2nd pairing RHD is below 50%, while Bolduc is already a middle 6 winger.
So essentially its a good player with certainty versus a maybe good player with higher upside but a much bigger downside too.
Still, you need to fill your D cupboards and take those risks sometimes, it’s worth the gamble even if it doesn’t work out.
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u/ae_89 STL - NHL 17h ago
I agree. And to add: Mailloux’s position being among the most scarce for finding/acquiring quality players vs Bolduc’s position being the opposite and the Blues already flush at wing makes the trade value pretty even, even considering the risks imo. After getting Dobson, the Habs were one of the few teams in the league with expendable RHD youth, and provided the Blues a rare opportunity to acquire such a player they had the need for. And I also think the Blues recognized that as much potential and actual production Bolduc showed last season, they’d be selling high and that helped them pull the trigger.
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u/RyanWalts MTL - NHL 17h ago
Yup, what makes the value more equal is that a middle-six winger is so much easier to find than a good top-four RD with size. Totally understand why the Blues would take that bet.
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u/IrateWeasel89 STL - NHL 16h ago
We’ve got a fair amount of middle six wingers + young rookies who could be on the team next year.
Defense? Not so much. It’s a gamble at the end of the day for sure.
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u/NRS1991 STL - NHL 12h ago
What an extremely reasonable take! I didn’t like it immediately (because I love Boldy) but the more time has gone by the more I understood it and actually like the swing. Bolduc’s floor is 3rd line, ceiling is probably 2nd line; Mailloux’s (unlikely) ceiling is like 1RD, the floor is terrifying, and the hope given the context of the trade is he’s a RD2/PP1. A lot of variables in both situations but I could easily see this trade being a win-win; even though it’ll sting a little bit that MTL is definitely the day/season one winner of the trade. I’m also leaning into the fact that our scouting in the teens, twenties, and beyond is bananas so I’ll continue to trust Army and Co.
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u/AcanthocephalaGreen5 MTL - NHL 19h ago
It really depends if he makes the Habs' top 6: if so, he's got Demidov to set him up.
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u/snugglelove WSH - NHL 19h ago
Does hiring Reirden or Laviolette count?
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u/brady_t12 WSH - NHL 18h ago
I’m convinced if we could’ve retained Trotz they could’ve at least made some sort of a run in 2019. Holtby didn’t look the same and I believe Mitch Korn left with Trotz. Also Reirden was a dogshit coach that completely fumbled a cup winning core’s final years.
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u/CitizenStrife MIN - NHL 18h ago
The Wild were doing really well one season, only to trade for Martin Hanzal.
Actually, hoping Fletcher wouldn't sell off any 1st or 2nd pick for "depth" would have been helpful.
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u/Coma_Toast14 MIN - NHL 16h ago
Nino Niederreiter for Victor Rask i think tops that. Pretty much any move Fenton made does.
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u/WayneBrody 14h ago
The day they hired Fletcher I knew the Flyers were in trouble. I had no idea how much trouble. Terrible GM.
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u/Desert_Pyrate8 LAK - NHL 19h ago
Recently there’s been a few, drafting Jack Hughes (not that one) in the second round like 9 or something picks before hutson was bad.
Us skipping on Wolf DESPITE him growing up in our systems and being a huge quick fan…like holy shit just pick him up in a late round and it’s a slam dunk for feels good move. But no skip him because he’s too small……
Losing potentially one of the leagues best RHD in the future in Faber will definitely hurt despite how much I like Fifi.
That PLD trade set us back a lot and we kinda just now fixed some of the problems by it
And not going after Marner more and letting him go to the knights will be a horrible decision for a while to come.
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u/ShadowChair LAK - NHL 13h ago
I don't think we had a choice with Marner. We seemed pretty clearly interested but he wanted to go to Vegas.
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u/Desert_Pyrate8 LAK - NHL 13h ago
He said he was open to coming here.
Vegas traded for him. We didn’t
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u/ShadowChair LAK - NHL 13h ago
And we don't know if he would've agreed to a trade or even if we DID try. He might've been open to coming here but only if Vegas wasn't willing to sign him.
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u/piddlesthethug LAK - NHL 13h ago
Yeah as much as I wish it was almost anywhere but Vegas, I think he wants a cup, and I think Vegas is probably his best bet, unless he went to the panthers or some ridiculous shit like that.
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u/CurlOfTheBurl11 LAK - NHL 15h ago
I agree with most of this, I'm less sure it would have been a good idea to throw a huge wad of cash at Marner though, knowing no one succeeds offensively in this system the way that he has in his career thus far. I'd have rather Holland taken a swing at either Peterka or Knies, but he didn't do any of that either.
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u/Embarrassed_Bath5148 EDM - NHL 14h ago
I mean, you traded PLD for a goalie that got Vézina votes with nothing retained so I’d say you “fixed” it.
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u/Eretan 18h ago
Curious what SJS fans think, but I'd say the Kane signing was pretty bad as it essentially cost us Pavelski (although Karlsson played into that as well).
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u/No_Obligation_7819 16h ago
Kane is as a decent player during his time in SJ, he was just a head case.
Karlsson was easily worth his contract. It was the horrific Jones and Labanc contracts that costed us Pavs.
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u/Spursfan107 CHI - NHL 18h ago
Besides the obvious choice of Panarin, the Jones trade, though it did turn into Knight so we'll see. Definitely don't give him 9.5.
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u/JAT_Cbus1080 15h ago
People forget how good Jones was in Columbus. He was fantastic here. I wonder how we'd talk about him if he got sent somewhere else. But Bowman gonna Bowman.
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u/LogieThePerogie VGK - NHL 18h ago
Trading nick suzuki i know we got paccioretty but suzuki is a much better player
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u/Inocain VGK - NHL 16h ago
If memory serves, it was Suzuki after saying no to trading Cody Glass.
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u/Willyq25 WPG - NHL 17h ago
To kinda add to that I wish the Jets never traded vegas that draft pick to protect Enstrom which became Suzuki
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u/wossquee NYR - NHL 18h ago
Pavel Buchnevich for Sammy Blais.
This would be fixing more than one transaction because Drury wouldn't have done like 10 more trades trying to fix the 1RW problem he created in the first place.
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u/juliusceasarsalads MTL - NHL 18h ago
Draft Quinn Hughes over Kotkaniemi
Draft Logan Stankoven over Logan Mailloux
Trade our 2014 and 2015 1st round picks for immediate help to try and give Carey Price a better team in front of him (no idea who or if it would have worked but we could have tried damn it)
Sign Andrei Markov to another 1 year deal so he could get to 1000 games played with the Habs
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u/thebriss22 13h ago
We got Bolduc out of Mailloux who could.end up better than Stankoven so that move I'm ok with lol
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u/lemieuxisgod NM Ice Wolves - NAHL 18h ago
Hiring Ron Hextall for any position except urinal cake taste tester.
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u/ShhImTheRealDeadpool COL - NHL 19h ago
Probably Mikko going.
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u/DrOddcat COL - NHL 17h ago
I’m gonna dig deep and think past that obvious one and say the next one is manson’s first extension.
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u/marblebluevinyl COL - NHL 12h ago
I understand the why (not wanting to pay him, Mac and Cale) AND woof the fact he wound up with Dallas for most of the next decade turned out to be a wish on a cursed monkey's paw
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u/Partially-Functional 18h ago
Jim Rutherford trading a 1st for Ryan Reaves. This move is where the downfall all started for the Pens.
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u/Joe_Shabbadoo PIT - NHL 15h ago
Tom Wilson broke multiple teams' brains and the solution for both was Ryan Reaves. But it was funny when it was the Rangers.
Since I haven't seen it mentioned, six fucking years for Ryan Graves, what the fuck.
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u/Mithrandir_25 BUF - NHL 17h ago
Terry Pegula buying the Sabres. Had to go back 14 years, because nothing else in the last 10 years matters.
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u/pauerplay PHI - NHL 17h ago
I mean, to be fair, letting Eichel get his surgery does…
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u/Mithrandir_25 BUF - NHL 17h ago
He wanted out regardless. There are so many terrible occurrences that I just chalk up to Pegula taking over. Botterill and Murray making bad trades and picks, the Eichel divorce, coaching carousel, and other drought highlights are too many to compete for 'worst'. The Sabres' problems go back further than any other NHL club.
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u/Gbeez22 NYR - NHL 18h ago
Easy. Trading away Pavel Buchnevich (or Sammy Blais and a 2nd. Broke up one of the best top lines they had in awhile (with Kreider and Zibanedjad), and then tried and failed to replace that production and chemistry for years after with a plethora of right wingers.
Dishonorable mention:
Going off the board to draft Lias Andersson 7th overall in 2017
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u/ShadowXJ EDM - NHL 17h ago
Drafting Poolparty instead of Tkachuk
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u/Only-Tennis4298 EDM - NHL 17h ago
I know Pool Party was a bust, and Tkachuk would've been better for the organization as a whole, but Pooly would never become the Bison King if he was never on our team, since it was his visit to Elk Island that sparked that. maybe he joins us later down the line and still gets that legacy. but something feels fundamentally wrong about a world in which Jesse Puljujärvi is not known as The Bison King.
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u/Stinky_Toes12 VAN - NHL 18h ago
I know it's was 11 years ago but I dont give a damn, hiring benning set us back generations
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u/czar_kazem CHI - NHL 17h ago
Probably the Panarin trade. Even if he ultimately wasn't going to fit the team there was no need to trade him so quickly for such a small return.
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u/gelc10 OTT - NHL 18h ago
Signing Korpisalo to that contract of 5 yrs/$20m ($4m AAV)
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u/bthompson04 PHI - NHL 18h ago
Literally pick any of the three dudes that went from 3-5 in the 2017 draft instead of Nolan Patrick at #2.
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u/CurlOfTheBurl11 LAK - NHL 15h ago
Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, and a 1st for Dubois. Easy choice.
A close second though would be trading the 1st round pick in 2015 to Boston for one year of Lucic. We could've had one of Connor, Barzal, Boeser, Chabot, etc.
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u/Shiny_Mew76 NYR - NHL 18h ago
Already did this on the Rangers sub so I’ll do it for the Jets and Avs here.
Jets: Re-Sign Ehlers
Avalanche: Re-Sign Rantanen
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u/Upbeat_Hat_8350 18h ago
I think the big question with Rantanen was cap space to extend Makar. I wish they had a clause on the trade that Carolina would give up a 1st if they traded Rantanen to a Western Conference team.
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u/greg19735 CAR - NHL 16h ago
Carolina may not make that trade, or they give significantly less in picks. Because Carolina made the trade with the intention of signing him. and if the Avs thought he wouldn't sign in Carolina then it maybe gives Tulsky pause.
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u/passive_fist WPG - NHL 16h ago
You can't make a player sign who doesn't want to. By all indications they really tried to keep Ehlers.
A more realistic do over would be any of our First round draft whiffs over the last few years. Chaz Lucious wasnt our fault, but Heinola and Stanley are basically busts, not to mention everyone we've lost to waivers just to stubbornly keep insisting on Stanley. Our cupboards aren't bare but they'd be looking a lot better had any of these gone differently.
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u/HVCanuck WPG - NHL 14h ago
Compared to other teams Jets haven’t made many mistakes. But Logan Stanley as a first round draft pick was a big one.
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u/homicidal_penguin OTT - NHL 19h ago
For the Sens:
Trade: Mark Stone for peanuts. Dorion has been quoted as saying he didn't want to stick around for a rebuild, but has also said that he wanted to stay for 8 years but Melnyk wouldn't approve the deal, so who knows. But to get so little for him sucks
Draft pick: Tyler Boucher at 10th overall in 2021. Wyatt Johnston wasn't on most teams radars, but pretty much any player could've been better than him.
Signing: There haven't been a ton of terrible signings by ottawa that appear off the top of my head. Maybe Hamonic to a 2 year deal with an NMC unless I'm forgetting something. The Dadonov signing also spiraled into losing a 1st rounder, so that sucked
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u/Ab501ut3_Z3r0 CGY - NHL 18h ago
I “love” how many options there are for Calgary but I mean, you just gotta go with Tkachuk huberdeau like what else is on that level
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u/backchecklund CGY - NHL 18h ago edited 17h ago
Considering that was reportedly the best offer, I don't think this is the worst since Chucky was goner anyway. Monahan + 1st takes the cake for this one for me
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u/AcanthocephalaGreen5 MTL - NHL 18h ago
Given Monahan's bounce-back, I'm surprised this isn't higher.
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u/CaptainPeppa CGY - NHL 18h ago
The trade was fantastic.
Treliving completely misreading the situation and trying to go all again was the problem. Retain half of Huberdeau and flip him. Don't give Monahan away for a first.
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u/AcanthocephalaGreen5 MTL - NHL 18h ago
Don't give Monahan away for a first.
He did worse than that; he gave Monahan away with a first, which the Habs traded in the package for Dobson.
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u/Vinny331 CGY - NHL 17h ago
But another way to think about it though is that it freed up the cap space up to immediately sign Kadri. That was the stated purpose of moving out Monahan.
From the Flames PoV, it's Monahan and a 1st for Kadri, which is a bit more tolerable (although it always sucks to lose a first).
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u/lancemeszaros CGY - NHL 18h ago
Most Flames options are the result of compounding problems that wouldn't be saved by taking back just one trade. Kidd for Brodeur wouldn't change the boneheaded scouting department or the team bleeding talent. Tkachuk for Huberdeau/Weegar wouldn't change Tkachuk forcing his way out for what would inevitably be worse than Huberdeau and Weegar. If you had to pick one that was the likeliest cause, I'd have to say the Hamilton for Lindholm/Hanifin trade. While Lindholm added top 6 presence, moving him to centre pretty much immediately bounced Monahan down to the third line when he was struggling which killed his value, and Hanifin wasn't better than Hamilton.
What killed the Treliving era was poor player management and not capitalizing on opportunities they had (like not getting Stone because he didn't want to give up Valimaki, how'd that work out?) instead of one big trade blunder.
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u/Mennoknight69 CGY - NHL 17h ago
it's not the trade, it's bridging Tkachuk in order to keep Frolik. we pay for the sins of Treliving still.
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u/SirFonty 18h ago
I would have thought it would be playing hardball with Gaudreau. Extend him early and then maybe Tkachuk stays.
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u/Vinny331 CGY - NHL 17h ago
I dunno if I see where the hardball was though. His previous contract was 6 years x $6.75M coming right out of his sophomore season (i.e. not exactly a bridge deal) and then he was offered a 7 x $10.5M, which was more than what he ultimately took in Columbus.
I agree it was probably one of the biggest setbacks for the team in the last 10 years, but the mistake wasn't necessarily in losing him, it was not getting anything in return. I really wish he had just told management that he wasn't coming back sooner instead of springing it at the literal 11th hour.
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u/CND_ CGY - NHL 17h ago
I have to disagree on the Tkachuk trade. Given the circumstances. The blunder was allowing the Flames to be in that situation. They could have extended Gaudreau, Tkachuk probably would have stayed. That and not sticking some younger players in the line up.
Conroy has certainly helped mellow the sting of the situation a lot with you youth injection. Hopefully he gets a deal done with Zary soon.
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u/mountzeus TOR - NHL 19h ago
Protecting Alex Kerfoot over Jared McCann…
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u/boredguy13 18h ago
Leafs didn't protect Kerfoot. They decided to not protect 7 forwards, 3 defensemen where they could have protected both, but instead protect any 8 players so they could protect the core 4 as well as 4 defensemen and that 4th defenseman was Justin Holl.
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u/SteveasaurusRex666 18h ago
I’m still not sure what was going on behind the scenes, but Walman and a 2nd for future considerations.
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u/Mavori DET - NHL 17h ago
I was gonna go a different direction than my fellow Wings fans and say the Kyle Quincey trade with Tampa, but that was for the 2012 season.
The Stephen Weiss signing also comes to mind but thats also just outside the range.
I will say that the Justin Abdelkader contract is one i wish we could have gotten out of and that might just be in range for the criteria.
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u/knukklez CBJ - NHL 17h ago
Well, if CBJ re-did a transaction I still don't think much changes for our organization. We certainly don't sniff the Stanley Cup, regardless.
However.
Elvis Merzlikins has proven to be problem after problem, issue after issue. His personality ended up being a detriment, not a boon. His stats are poor, and his contract has been a boat anchor around our ankles. And we're still not free of him.
If I could re-do one transaction - don't sign Elvis.
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u/JAT_Cbus1080 15h ago edited 15h ago
I'm still arguing Severson is worse. Most of Elvis's contract is during a rebuild so to me it doesn't really matter. Elvis's contract will basically fall off the books at the time their window is supposed to open. They either buy out his final year next summer with a small cap hit, let him walk, or re-sign him for a drastically reduced cap hit to be a backup.
On the other hand they spent a 3rd to trade for Severson's rights to sign him for 8 years, 6 of them remaining at $6.25 million a season. They picked him up not during a tank but expressly to be a piece to push them forward. He was healthy scratched for a not insignificant portion of last season. Worst part is they gave him a NTC for the first 4 seasons and an M-NTC for the last 4.
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u/Indy-CBJ 11h ago
Severson to me isn’t an issue just yet because his cap hit isn’t preventing any major transaction. The real answer since it says transaction is not to sign Babcock.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars CBJ - NHL 17h ago
Just one transaction? Never even giving GMRH an interview in Pittsburgh.
For CBJ, probably the Severson deal?
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u/Friggin_Grease TOR - NHL 16h ago
There were lots of Dubas moves that he may have had to or not had to make, but Marchment for Malgin sucks, Kadri for Kerfoot/Barrie sucks. But hey, let's not just pigeonhole ourselves into the Dubas era... Scott Niedermayer could have been a leaf back in the day.
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u/lolattackz NYI - NHL 15h ago
either keeping Toews, trading Tavares rather than letting him walk, or never hiring Lou in the first place.
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u/ShoppingNo3927 15h ago
Wings should have just signed Hronek. Now we continue to have a giant hole at 2RD. He wasn't even that expensive and we just turned around and gave most of that money to Holl. Same thing for Ghost, not sure how gus was better/different for essentially the same money
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u/etchiboi WPG - NHL 13h ago
not agreeing to Byfuglien’s preferred surgery, which he then retired over
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u/SpaceNarwhalKing 13h ago
I know caps won in 2018 but the Erat for Forsberg trade still bothers me to this day.
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u/wildwildwaste CAR - NHL 8h ago
Can I say the entire 2024 off-season was one giant bad transaction? Turbo, Guentzel, Noesen, Skjei, and Pesce... just, gone. And Walker and Ghosty haven't been real impact players. I mean, the only really good thing that came out of those months was ET moving up to the GM chair.
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u/younggun92 CHI - NHL 3h ago
Everyone for the Hawks is gonna say Panarin or Jones.
It's Philip Danault and a 2018 2nd (turned into Romanov) to Montreal for the rotting corpses of Tom Fleischmann and Dale Weise.
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u/CMDR_Traf85 MTL - NHL 14h ago
As a Habs fan, the Sergachev-Drouin trade. Taking Brady instead of KK would be a close second and only because I really can't stand Brady haha.
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u/UncleBen94 UMass Lowell - NCAA 17h ago
Other than the 2015 draft?
Tough call after that. There's a few arguments to be made.
Mitchell Miller is one. Yeah we eventually got out of it for the most part but I think the hockey gods punished us by getting embarrassed by Florida in that 1st round.
Firing Monty is another. Wasn't his fault Sweeney and Neely gave him a terrible roster and almost botched the Swayman situation. We didn't get better after firing him.
Signing Backes? He was fine for a year or two and then he quickly fell off. Beleskey too, although he got hurt.
Outside of 2015, Sweeney and Neely haven't been outright terrible, but I still would rather see them go for a fresh start in the FO
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u/OneChet VAN - NHL 19h ago
OEL trade. The ramifications might be felt for decades.