r/islamichistory 6d ago

News - Headlines, Upcoming Events Israel destroying Umayyad sites under Al-Aqsa in 'Judaisation' drive - Jerusalem's Palestinian governorate has urged international action to protect world heritage at the Al-Aqsa Mosque site threatened by Israeli excavations.

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-destroying-umayyad-sites-under-al-aqsa-excavations

Israeli excavations beneath Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa Mosque are destroying Islamic heritage sites in a bid to cement Israel's claim over the area, the Palestinian Jerusalem Governorate said on Sunday.

The governorate said in a statement that leaked videos had shown "excavations and demolition operations carried out by the Israeli occupation underneath the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque.

The statement added that the digging is "deliberately target Islamic monuments dating back to the Umayyad period (661-750 AD), which constitute living evidence and conclusive proof of the Muslims' right to the place".

"The occupation authorities are working to destroy these Islamic archaeological landmarks with the aim of obliterating the historical identity of Al-Aqsa Mosque and distorting the facts in favour of the alleged Temple narrative," it added, referring to attempts to have a Jewish temple built in the place of the mosque.

The Al-Aqsa Mosque compound is considered one of the holiest sites in Islam.

The governorate urged the international community, the UN and UNESCO to intervene to stop the excavations taking place at the UNESCO World Heritage site.

Earlier this month, The New Arab's Arabic-language sister site, Al-Araby Al-Jadeed, reported that Israel had escalated its digging of tunnels under Al-Aqsa, including an approximately 550-metre long tunnel that traverses Islamic, Canaanite and Roman archaeological sites.

Fakhri Abu Diab, a member of the Al-Aqsa Mosque Trustees Council, told Al-Araby Al-Jadeed that access to the sites is strictly limited to employees of the Israeli ministry of antiquities. He added that he had attempted to gain access to one of the sites, only to be turned away by Israeli police who took a photo of his ID card.

Abu Diab said that the tunnel is directly threatening the foundations of the southwestern side of the mosque.

In separate comments, former Jerusalem Grand Mufti and current head of the city's Supreme Islamic Council, Sheikh Ekrima Sabri, said that the sites being promoted by Israel as underground "Jewish areas" are in fact old channels used to collect water in the mosque and nearby homes.

Israeli authorities drained the channels and expanded them, making them appear to be an interconnected network of underground tunnels, Sabri said.

https://www.newarab.com/news/israel-destroying-umayyad-sites-under-al-aqsa-excavations

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u/GQManOfTheYear 4d ago

What the fuck are these international organizations for if they can't stop terrorist shit like this?

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u/0serg 3d ago

These allegations are years old. None ever realized to be actually true. Israeli tunnels in region are real, but they all stay well away from al Aqsa

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u/Iggy_DB 6d ago

Do they know the mosque is built on a Jewish site and heritage?

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u/ankletaking 5d ago

Bro the Temple Mount was demolished by the Romans in 70 CE and the area afterward was used as a GARBAGE DUMP before Muslims erected the Mosque 700 years later.

You’re destroying a thousand year building to investigate ruins, destroyed by people unrelated to those who worship at the site today. It truly was a barren land unlike the Jewish narrative over the entirety of Israel lmfao.

You’re a lousy piece of shit

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u/0serg 3d ago

Bro, archeology is almost always about investigation of ruins and ancient garbage dumps. Valuable things are rarely placed in ground and left forgotten there. However you'll be surprised how much artifacts can be found in "garbage dumps" and "razed sites".

But the allegation of "Israel destroying al aqsa" are completely and utterly false anyway. There are no Israeli excavations under mosque. Relatively close to it (like 20-30 meters)? Sure. Right under it? No. Destroying anything? No.

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u/SerasAshrain 5d ago

Almost like Muslim colonialists kicked out the Jews and turned it into a garbage dump before erecting a mosque as a sign of conquest. Long history of Muslims desecrating other religions holy sites and building mosques ontop of them.

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u/ankletaking 5d ago

I love how confidently wrong you are. Sassanids had control over Jerusalem from Byzantines, who briefly gave back to the Jews as a vassal state until they again returned it to the Christians who turned it into a garbage dump.

You are what’s wrong with society. Just a loud mouth ignoramus who takes away from reality. Moron

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u/SerasAshrain 5d ago

Yea my bad I learned in school early on that Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source. And considering the source for that claim, which is from Islamic traditions, which didn’t exist for a few hundred years after it was supposedly found to be a garbage dump, it isn’t a reliable source. Not to mention the lack of any logic behind the idea that Christians would turn a site relevant to them into a garbage dump. The only actual evidence during that time are found, possible Byzantine flooring, nothing about a garbage dump.

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u/ankletaking 5d ago

See wikipedia does this fun thing where they source from other individuals, and those interpretations are then subject to the community revisions.

—Karmi, Ghada (1997). Jerusalem Today: What Future for the Peace Process?. Garnet & Ithaca Press. p. 116

And where’s your source??? You fucking moron. I didn’t know your reddit comment is a deeper source of authenticity

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u/SerasAshrain 5d ago

Oh I didn’t know a book written in 1997 was witness to a Temple Mount garbage dump. This might blow your mind but that book isn’t the source any more than Wikipedia is. That books source, if you read it, was someone who said it was a garbage dump who lived hundreds of years after. In other words, that person never saw it. There’s also no other historical record of it being so.

So go pound sand.

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u/ankletaking 4d ago

Brother never went to school and learned secondary sources 😂😂😂 bozo idiot. Pounding sand would teach me more

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u/RisingDeadMan0 5d ago

lmao, when ur country has 250 years of history and cant comprehend 700 years passing

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u/Iggy_DB 5d ago

Why the name calling?

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u/ankletaking 5d ago

Because you’re excusing the desecration of a holy site… and you’re justifying it with the oppression perpetuated by a completely different group of people hundreds of years ago

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u/Iggy_DB 5d ago

It’s not a holy site tho, Islam has no holy sites in that place. It’s just a mosque.

Also the moment you resort to name calling you lose the argument.

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u/Competitive-War-1143 4d ago

If you care so much about "holy" sites why do you speak in such an abusive tone.  are you religious? that just seems weird to be so angry about a Holy site you harass and call someone different expletives lol 

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u/Medium-Holiday2121 6d ago

Read the wiki on the excavations, unfortunately both sides are complicit in destroying the archaeology.

"Sifting project of Solomon's Stables dirt (2005–) The Temple Mount Sifting Project is an archaeological project started in 2005 with the goal of recovering archaeological artifacts from the 300 truckloads of soil removed by the Islamic Religious Trust (Waqf) from the Temple Mount compound's southeast area (sometimes called Solomon's Stables) during the 1996–1999 construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque.[19] By 2006, the project had recovered numerous artifacts dating from the 8th to 7th centuries BCE from dirt removed in 1999. These include stone weights for weighing silver and a First Temple period bulla, or seal impression, containing ancient Hebrew writing, which may have belonged to a well-known family of priests mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah.[50]"

Basically, multiple times the Waqf bulldozed and tried to dump a bunch of artifacts, likely to disprove Jewish connection to the land. Yasser Arafat and Mahmood Abbas both insist the temple was in Yemen, not under al-aqsa (lol). Extremists can't just let us have some unbiased history 🙄 

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u/radred609 5d ago

It's almost funny seeing what kinds of post certainly subreddits will downvote.

Nobody is even disagreeing with you, they're just mad that you're sharing this information x'D

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u/Medium-Holiday2121 5d ago

Lol yeah because they can't argue with facts, even if the facts hurt their feelings. I spent months in Palestine too, and actual Muslim Palestinians are the ones that pointed out his history to me. Unfortunately, small-minded people tend to dismiss any evidence that doesn't support their world view. 

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u/Effective_Jury4363 6d ago

palestinians against digging tunnels. Never thought I would live to see the day.

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u/Actual_Rip2230 6d ago

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u/Yurarus1 6d ago

That was hilarious to be honest.

Especially with the dude who posted that he thinks Jews are digging under his apartment hahaha

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u/BigTruck4KT 4d ago

Israel are so nice cause on 10/7 I would’ve flattened Al-Aqsa

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u/Cannon_Fodder888 6d ago

There are no Islamic archeological sites under the Temple Mount (aka Al Aqsa) The current site, with any Islamic buildings as they are seen today is the only historical Islamic presence since 690 A.D onwards.

The Arabs, through Mohammad's followers conquered and colonized the Western Levant imposing their own brand of the long held Abrahamic tradition.

Judaism and Christianity together do not recognize Islam as part of that Abrahamic covenant which goes right back to the time of the Islamic conquest of Jerusalem.

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u/_-icy-_ 5d ago edited 5d ago

The first temple was destroyed by the Byzantines Babylonians, and then when it was rebuilt it was destroyed by the Romans. You’re implying that the Muslims destroyed it and replaced it with their own mosque when literally this was not the case.

Before the Rashidun Caliphate took Jerusalem in ~630, there were basically zero Jewish people living there. The Muslims allowed Jews to move in after they took the city.

So even your idiotic, racist comment is irrelevant to this whole conversation.

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u/Mexijim 5d ago

‘Basically zero Jewish people living there’

So by your logic, if Muslims are forced out of Mecca and Medina, they will cease to be pivotal and integral locations for Islam? And so could be colonised by the Chinese or Indian Hindus?

Or is it just Jews that this rule applies to?

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u/_-icy-_ 5d ago

If that happened, and then Muslims 2,000 years later came back in and started slaughtering Jews left and right and literally starving the entire population and forcing them into camps after blowing up almost every single thing they’ve known their entire lives, that obviously wouldn’t be justified either.

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u/takesshitsatwork 5d ago

There's no such thing as the Byzantines. Learn some history.

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u/_-icy-_ 5d ago

Sorry, I meant the Babylonians.

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u/NoThanksJefferson 6d ago

Actual jews consider islam a sister religion in that they believe we worship the same One God. They see christians as pagans, no discussion. Theres a reason jews are allowed to pray in mosques, but not in churches. Stop trying to mislead people with lies. There is no judeo-christian covenant in a religious sense, only political roght now and only when they benefit one another.

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u/Specialist-Wait-3256 5d ago

Replying to ... I’ll agree with your attack on judeo Christian values because that is just white nationalism… but Judaism does not consider Islam a “sister” religion, that might be a modern interpretation that Jews were forced to take because of Muslim occupation but it literally cannot exist in the Jewish faith as Islam did not exist till way after Judaism, rabbinical and all, was created.

Christianity is directly in opposition to Judaism, Christ proclaiming he is son of god is against Judaism, people worshipping someone claiming to be a son of god is against Judaism.

Islam can be seen in many different ways from a truly Jewish perspective. Islam I’m sure also has direct contradictions with Judaism, but I also know copies a lot from it. Also has some improvements from Rabbincal Judaism (so does Christianity) I see it as a mix of all three: 1. Appropriation or copying 2. A rogue sub religion with ethical improvements 3. Another abrahamic religion, but not a “sister” religion. If we were to use familiar words, Islam could be considered a child religion of Judaism.

Both Islam and Christianity are on some level anti Jewish on just a pure religious level. Islam while offering some protection and status for Jews still makes them second class citizens directly within the holy texts…. So no… as long as Islam calls us second class citizens we will never call Islam a sister religion….

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u/Cannon_Fodder888 6d ago edited 6d ago

Maybe a small minority of Jews "may" interpret it as that The vast majority do not. Let's consider the Judeo-Christian tradition which came some 500 years before Islam and is a factual basis for Western Democracies in which that same tradition was built on.

"Judeo-Christian values are rooted in the Bible, Islam is not. In fact we could go further and say Christianity is rooted in Judeo values. Islam is not. To use the word Abrahamic may appear more inclusive, but Islam was founded 7th century AD, thousands of years after Abraham. When it comes to Abrahamic values they are demonstrated to us through the Abrahamic Covenant, which is expressed through the Torah. So again, we come to Judeo-Christian values. The next test is whether Islamic values are consistent with Judeo-Christian values...and they are not."

If you ask any Jew, or even a Christian if they think Mohammad was a Prophet of God, and had any connection with God in the same sense the Jews and Christians do I suspect you will be majorly disappointed.

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u/PuzzledRatio 6d ago

The morality to kill 20,000 children and still be on my high horse. And talk about values. Name name number what the f are they paying you for

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u/Cannon_Fodder888 6d ago

Ok bring children up. Getting very boring. Saudis killed way more in Yemen and your not squealing about it.

Time to grow up!

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u/PuzzledRatio 5d ago

Are you bored of all the dead children ? That's a normal reaction

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u/Ok_Climate2983 4d ago

Are you bored of them in Yemen? Syria? Sudan? Nigeria?

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u/RisingDeadMan0 5d ago

"Judeo-Christian tradition" incoming zionist nonsense lol, as if the 1500 years of Judeo-Christian interaction wasn't basically just persecution.

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u/Specialist-Wait-3256 5d ago

Christian’s do not value democracy… neither do Jews or Muslims. That’s not in any of our holy texts. Im Jewish… pretty sure the Torah didn’t mention that everyone, regardless of creed, voted for king David…

Democracy is originally a pagan value if anyone can claim it as their value.

What are judeo Christian values? Was the inquisition judeo Christian values? The crusades? The pogroms? The holocaust? There was not a single goddamn moment In the Christian world where Jews lived in peace and in harmony with the Christian’s. Also true but to a much lesser extent for Jews in the Islamic world.

Judeo-Christian values is white nationalist bs…

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u/drfiz98 4d ago

There was plenty of places and times where Jews and Muslims lived in peace. Andalus, for example, comes to mind. Not to deny that there was ever friction between the two communities, but by and large Muslims and Jews got on just fine and conflict was the exception, not the rule. 

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u/Specialist-Wait-3256 2d ago

Conflict was always the exception… even in Europe. Should we generalize Europe as peaceful?

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u/Specialist-Wait-3256 2d ago

Also you brought up Andalusia without bringing up the forced conversions and persecutions of Jews, and Christian’s, in Andalusia from the 12-13th century under the Almohad Caliphate.