r/judo • u/MasterofLinking shodan • Dec 17 '24

Competing and Tournaments Kouchi while grabbing your own leg.

At a recent local tournament we had this situation, that was a little bit of a controversy. While Tori is not grabbing Ukes leg, in my opinion preventing the possibility of stepping back and thus defending the throw would still fall under blocking the leg. What's your opinion? Would you have given the score or shido?

>! decision was score !<

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u/MarsupialFormer Dec 18 '24

The fact that we have to question whether this is legal, or not, shows how absurd it is to pile on so many rules....to a point where, then, you have to interpret whether such a wonderful technique is.....LEGAL!!!!

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u/CaptainGeekyPants Dec 18 '24

I mean, this will happen with any ruleset. No matter how finely you slice it, someone will find an an between.

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u/powerhearse Dec 18 '24

Nah not really. Judo has a specifically complicated problem with this sort of thing compared to most other grappling rulesets

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u/mdabek ikkyu Dec 18 '24

Just look at the r/bjj and see all the rants there regarding leg reaping DQs.

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u/ChickenNuggetSmth gokyu Dec 18 '24

That is very specific to the recent NoGi worlds tournament and a few very bad DQs, or a bit more generally to IBJJF tournaments. But more broadly, while the reaping rules are disliked, they don't lead to a buge amount of DQs. And in many rulesets reaping is legal.

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u/mistiklest bjj brown Dec 18 '24

or a bit more generally to IBJJF tournaments

Which are still the most attended and prestigious tournaments, especially in the gi.

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u/mdabek ikkyu Dec 18 '24

What you've just wrote invalidates the point of only judo has a difficult rules among grappling sports. Another example from BJJ are points for takedowns, this seems crazy that abusing the rule is being taught in academies. Ruleset in any form of grappling is everlasting arms race between competitiors and judges.

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u/ChickenNuggetSmth gokyu Dec 18 '24

Is the point that the rules are unclear and hard to enforce or is the point that the rules themself are stupid? Because imo in judo there are more controversial reffing decisions. In BJJ there are a fair amount of rules that themself are controversial or unpopular, but generally the judging is at least a bit more straight-forward

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u/mdabek ikkyu Dec 18 '24

Hard disagree.

There are refereeing mistakes, since we are humans, but my understanding is that judo referees are being monitored and they will not progress their career if they continuously fail to deliver good performance. What is more, fights are recorded and your coach can disagree with the decision and request for review. You can always ask the general referee for an opinion why something was scored in a way it was and he/she may influence mat referee to change a decision. After a competition you can appeal to a national federation if you disagree with how thigs were handled. There is a clear path and hierarchy in judo.

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u/powerhearse Dec 19 '24

Reaping isn't a difficult rule, the issues you're talking about are the result of poor refereeing not complicated rulesets. And oh buddy does Judo have a problem with poor refereeing too!