r/judo • u/MasterofLinking shodan • Dec 17 '24

Competing and Tournaments Kouchi while grabbing your own leg.

At a recent local tournament we had this situation, that was a little bit of a controversy. While Tori is not grabbing Ukes leg, in my opinion preventing the possibility of stepping back and thus defending the throw would still fall under blocking the leg. What's your opinion? Would you have given the score or shido?

>! decision was score !<

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u/QuailTraditional2835 Dec 18 '24

People who get upset about things like this are part of the reason judo is so disrespected as a martial art.

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u/no0o0o0oo00o0 Dec 18 '24

im not seeing any disrespect u know

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u/QuailTraditional2835 Dec 18 '24

Respectfully, look around outside of your community more often, then.

Common topics I see, just off the top of my head: It's unrealistic due to overreliance on the gi, no leg grabs in competition, weird ruleset, little ground game, judoka can get an ippon while still ending up on their back, failed throws frequently give up your back, little success in MMA, steeper learning curve than wrestling, less effective than wrestling, less effective than BJJ.

I am not necessarily putting any of these ideas forward myself, merely presenting things I've heard in person or seen online.

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u/Vamosity-Cosmic nidan Dec 19 '24

"Little success in MMA"

Karo Parisyan. Ronda Rousey. Point disproven there.

Also "less effective than BJJ" is crazy, they don't even share the same purpose.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '24

I don't argue your other points but I'd rather have a base in BJJ than Judo for a MMA match. You can't do MMA without having either Sambo, Catch Wrestling or BJJ training. Unless you have super high level judo it won't be enough on the ground. It also likely won't be enough for a complete takedown game like it was in the time of Fedor,Yoshida, Karo, Aoki, Rhonda ect.

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u/Vamosity-Cosmic nidan Dec 20 '24

No one goes "You have to do judo or BJJ or wrestling, mutually exclusive." Just because other martial arts are good does not discredit the teachings of another. Just making up rhetoric no one is really saying.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '24

Yeah they do everyone says you need BJJ training to compete successfully in MMA. They say you also need wrestling. They don't say you need judo and never have. It's abit different now that some people just train MMA but the techniques they learn on the ground are usually BJJ ones.

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u/Vamosity-Cosmic nidan Dec 21 '24 edited Dec 21 '24

What part of "just because other martial arts are good does not discredit the teachings of another" is not hitting your cerebral cortex?

Also Google the history of judo and bjj. Bjj literally came from judo and then formed its own martial art. A lot of wreatling moves use judo techniques, like uchi mata or ura nage. Like good lord bro lol