There is some paragraph in the rules about using the ground for the throw making it invalid (not the exact phrasing), so rolling through is never a score if the technique didn't start before. And especially not if the opponent started the motion.
So if uke gets you on the butt by o-uchi, you can't pull off a tsunoda tomoe because you didn't initialize the technique in tachi-waza.
I probably would give it for white after reviewing the video, because he changes direction and even takes away blues standing leg.
In a kaeshi-waza situation: the athlete receiving the attack and starting the counterattack, CANNOT use the impact of landing on the tatami to finish his kaeshiwaza action and have it evaluated.
That's how it's written in the SOR, and I would agree it's Score white.
Thanks. I happened to lose a match when I threw my opponent with a drop seoi, he rolled through and got the score even though I'd put both his shoulders on the mat first. Bad call I guess.
I'd give it to white on review here too, blue did not do a sumi, both his legs were up in the air and he had no control of the movement once white got the leg in.
On the seoi thing, it can be tricky if he managed to take over the movement early and proceed with a daki-wakare motion. But yes, these things get lots of miscalls (in this video you can see ippon given initially for blue).
As I said in another comment, blue went for an uki-waza. But then white lifted blues standing leg by o-uchi. Now he has blue hanging on his lapel only, which leads to the whole of them toppling over. But clearly not in the direction the uki-waza was supposed to go (which would be the right side of the video frame).
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u/Fit-Tax7016 nikyu Apr 15 '25
Gonna say white... Or no score...
But then blue rolled through... Hmmm..