r/judo • u/Mammoth_Vast_5535 • Apr 15 '25

Other Who got the ippon?

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u/PrestigiousAssist689 Apr 16 '25

Come on, there is no o uchi. Barely a desperate countermeasure that looks like it. No pressure, no move in white's body. He is basically on his tippie toes and FOLLOWS, the movement initiated by blue sutemi.

Blue tries ippon and creates all the motion for a tomoe nage/yoko tomoe that is succesfull, even if the up leg is not well placed.

100% correct ippon for blue.

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u/JudoRef IJF referee Apr 16 '25

Check the video again, from 0:42 on, the slow motion part. There definitely is o uchi.

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u/PrestigiousAssist689 Apr 16 '25

His feet moves, yes, AFTER blue initiated a sutemi . Look at whites arms and body, NOTHING is happening, appart a desperate foot positioning.

Blue falls bcs of his sutemi, not because of whites foot.

Ippon for blue.

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u/JudoRef IJF referee Apr 16 '25

So you're saying that sutemi is impossible to counter?

If white did that same o uchi gari without blue's sutemi with same result, would it count?

O uchi gari can't be ignored. It's effect is too visible. Blue gambled and (should have) lost. Sutemi was desperation. White would never have fallen if he didn't commit to o uchi.

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u/PrestigiousAssist689 Apr 17 '25

You can counter sutemi. For that, use your arms and body and actually make a mouvement.

Placing the tip of your foot and taking the full sutemi fall does not cut it though.

Without sutemi, let us be honest, o uchi gari would not have succeded.

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u/ExchangeNo1476 Apr 16 '25

I would say yes except that blue did not plant his left foot, either on the ground or on his hip/leg.

White was holding him off balance and finished the o uchi by knocking his only limb off the ground.

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u/PrestigiousAssist689 Apr 17 '25

There is also no stop on blues fall, sutemi is fluid and continues. This is a further point for blue.

Upper foot positioning of blue is a bit...approximate. I will give you this ;).

And yes, both blue and white are clearly in full improvisation mode... probably why we disagree on the analysis!